By: noozilander
26/03/2008
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| That reminds me. Have you seen Food Fight on Youtube? It's brilliant. All the conflicts since WW2 have the countrys' represented by their food and the 'foods' fight. Very funny. |
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By: noozilander
26/03/2008
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Off to sleep now.
ZZZZZZZZZZZ. |
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By: danforbes@xtra.co.nz
26/03/2008
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| Not into Youtube mainly because struggling with dial up. goodnight see you on the flip side. |
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By: rsmith111333
1/04/2008
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One company in NZ has become preferred supplier in the USA for electronic equipment. The export is worth millions. It can be done. Specialty equipment. Good old KIWI thinking.
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By: pumps4me8
2/04/2008
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| I totally agree with your comments flyasub. Kiwi's have become far too greedy demanding higher wages which offsets the cost of products manufactured here in NZ. People will always buy where they can get the best deal & at a cheaper rate, even if it means purchasing an imported product.As an example I could pay $105.00 for an angle grinder & sometimes upto $200.00 but I bought 2 grinders the same for $30.00 which were imported and throw aways when they crapped out..The dearer ones cost far too much to get repaired these days. So why buy kiwi made? |
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By: danforbes@xtra.co.nz
2/04/2008
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| Just out of interest how long do the dearer ones last in comparison to the cheaper ones? |
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By: pumps4me8
2/04/2008
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It all depends on how you treat your machinery, but mine get a hard life! A $600.00 DeWalt machine crapped out after 4 years use as they don't like fibreglass dust. The two I bought for $30.00 who cares if they crap out after a year at least they cost me bugger all to buy. I'd buy cheap again, co's like I stated the expensive ones are too expensive to repair.With the cheapies,they gave a new set of brushes, which is saying that they could wear out. Who gives a toss for $15.00 spent as it's peanuts...Either way they both do the same thing & it comes down to preference & how much one is prepared to spend(incidently I have 2
Makita's & 1 DeWalt & 1 Hitachi under the bench all knackered) |
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By: rsmith111333
3/04/2008
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Pumps... Speak to the wholesalers directly. THEN please return here with there answer as there are 2 sides. It is unusual that all these top brands fail. However its not the performance that obviously bothers you its the fibre dust. They may have a solution.
Even the top products can fail with not used correctly. You have to agree. Cheers |
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By: pumps4me8
4/04/2008
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rsmith111333. Am not going to do that, co's I have friends in the trade who tell me that I should clean them out regulary with compressed air. Which I do when I remember, but when busy forget. Covering the machines isn't advisable as they overheat.There is a remedy and that is simple and that is use an air driven disc grinder, as dust doesn't enter these.
All these grinders have been stuffed by my son who is a fibreglasser, I am an engineer. So all you fathers out there, don't let your son's wreck your tools. |
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By: smuts666
5/04/2008
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The 1987 reforms stuffed the best power generation and distribution system in the world (NZED) We have a need for more Hydro schemes - but the Greens and the Resource Management Act have killed plans to build more capacity.
We can grow by not being the international patsy and return to a Kiwi concept with no Govt compliance weighing everyone down. WE opted for a Free Market approach and got greed as a result. Fair play and ethics went by the board as it was 'everyone for themselves' (Business Round Table model)so the Kiwi values were lost.
Don't moan or whine about it. Do something. Don't get mad - GET EVEN.
This election is the place to ensure payback is applied! |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
5/04/2008
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| We were 4th in the OECD just prior to Roger Douglas planting his face in front of us. Then the snowball to the massive asset sales, and job losses, started. Free markets are the only scenario to exist under today but back in Rogernomics day; instead of kicking one crutch out from under us at one time, he kicked both and we fell on our faces. |
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By: pumps4me8
5/04/2008
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For this country to grow in the manufacturing field, the country as a whole needs to change & stop importing goods, Eg; almost all pumps & products are imported from Italy & Aussie. Where years ago all one could buy was NZ made, but because of importing restrictions being lifted, most pumps are imported with local brand names stamped on them. Which isn't right. A huge pump manufacturer here in NZ by the name of Davies & Onga pumps also sell pumps that look identical to another Italian brand that's available here.Most of these pumps have Chinese electric motors attached to them & are throw aways when they crap out.
Pressure switches, check valves & ball valves are all imported, co's they are cheaper to buy here than kiwi made meaning that us the consumer can buy 2 or more imported items compared to NZ made products.Most consumers are going to opt for the cheaper bargain against buying NZ made. |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
5/04/2008
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pumps4; that was a good point you raised about 'throw away' products as opposed to 'built to last'. This is one of the reasons why manufacturing in NZ is just so damned hard to get going. NZ make 'built to last' and in todays economic scenario where co's are profit driven the cheap throw away item is the preferred choice. It's a shame but that's how it is.
Even designing something in NZ to be made here. When something like this proves to be a successful unit the unscrupulous countries copy patents and flood the markets with the same product for half the price; sometimes less. China in particular is renowned for this foul practice. |
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By: pumps4me8
7/04/2008
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Yes your right xtr365705, but how do we as a country change it?
The consumer is gonna buy the cheaper product everytimeardless where it's made & he'll ask around his friends what certain items are like, but it all comes down to costs in the end!
A few Electrical companies in NZ import these pumps & flood the markets offering teriffic deals, which offset prices to consumers. |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
7/04/2008
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| I'm afraid it's too late to change. Even now where some manufacturing in NZ [clothing,textiles,shoes to name 3] have some protection from the likes of China with tariffs; these are going to be wiped under the FTA so it gets worse. |
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By: nomaza66
7/04/2008
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| Has anyone else noticed that Ezibuys clothes are all made in China? And yes the sizes are way out and the sleeves are tapered. |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
7/04/2008
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| The sizes are not way out for the 'new immigrants' that are coming. Made in China for the Chinese here...... |
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By: nomaza66
7/04/2008
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| True xtra, never thought of that. You are right too |
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By: jackson.andrew@xtra.co.nz
7/05/2008
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| Maybe a "Green" tax should be applied to these cheap "throw away" items. They have to be disposed of somehow. |
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By: bryan280
8/05/2008
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| For goodness sakes don,t suggest another tax. We have enough already.Manufacturing in NZ is going to get a lot more viable and importing alot more expensive when oil spikes to over $200 US a barrel and our currency takes a dive a double whammy.Think of the US and Euro economies like a freight train ,it takes a while to slow down, think of the NZ economy like a small car ,we will hit the wall suddenly just like in the past. Blame the coming depression on the central bankers who really control the Govts ,depressions are monetary phenomena caused by issuing excessive credit.All this is going to mean we will have to source our food locally and be more self sufficient in manufacturing , Govt is going to go broke and will have to make Govt smaller and more lean ,they have become bigger during the boom times and now their size and involvment in every detail in our daily lives is becoming untenable. |
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By: jackson.andrew@xtra.co.nz
9/05/2008
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My comment was tongue in cheek Bryan.
I do not want to see mountains of cheap junk.
We are price driven. It gets rammed down our throats every time an advert is on the radio or tv shouting cheap this cheap that. They even turn the volume up for the ads.
Not many ads promoting quality any more. |
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By: roscoplanetziorg
15/05/2008
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| Manafacturing in nz will be stagnant for a few years and begin to pick up as the chinese people will be feeling wage growth and inflation and the day of cheep imports will not look so attractive, quality will improve as the consumer will learn that quality is better in the end as it's cheeper over the long term and you get more use out of the products. For the sake of the world we need to learn to not become a throw away society as it has enormous enviromental aspects fr the world. we will go around in circles look back at the sixties when mothers used cloth nappies and now it will change in the future as we look back into our past to move on in our quest for eveloution. I commend the present and past goverments for attitudes tonz enviormental aspects of this beautiful country ( not sure if many of you have traveled but i can tell you its up there with the best of them ) say no to new hydro power generatiors say yes to solar power and stop digging up the coal greed will get you know where. I can't wait till i come home as living in perth is a nice place pity about the people is all i can say. |
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By: wendy.gerrish
20/05/2008
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| New Zealand doesn't need to compete with China. China is a commodity hungry giant. You sell to them. Diary, meat, building materials, energy, education etc., oh, and make sure the proceeds end up back in NZ! Sell global, buy global, think global. |
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By: jackson.andrew@xtra.co.nz
21/05/2008
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| We sell nothing to China. Its all coming this way. Including the ingedients for P. |
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By: brmurphy@xtra.co.nz
21/05/2008
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| I think the idea of a disposal tax (or green surcharge for those of us who don't like the "T" word) is a good idea which is paid on purchase and based on the cost of disposing of the item at end of use. Compare the cost of a good quality appliance, say a Bosch or AEG washing machine. They are vastly more efficient, often recyclable and use less packaging and can last four or five times than a cheaper one from say China or even some NZ made. The cost is paid for in inefficiency rather than purchase price and we end up with five times as much (and more toxic) junk in our landfills in the end. Chinese labour is often poorly paid and sometimes children are used. We can't compete with that and a carbon tax won't help us with this although I do agree with it. We should try to grow manufacturing but for the international market not just local. It would be a challenge though. A "knowledge" economy is a fine thing but we can't all work in IT. Someone has to do some real work. |
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