By: chen.sarom
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| yes, we need more people to grow our economie. |
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By: charlie_stubb
1/08/2008
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| to have more people is to have a greater selection of sexual partners which in turn will generate more growth in population and economy |
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By: colevnz
2/08/2008
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| nah, we have enough here already, the beauty of this country is that its sp.a.r.s.e ly populated, lets not spoil it. |
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By: rsmith111333
2/08/2008
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Okey -- Come on we are not thinking of growing it to 20 million. Just 8 million. This is the only way to get growth and stabiltiy in NZ. We can structure it in towns and areas that will benefit as part of a plan. There are many good people willing to come here. Good family people. Look at the turmoil in South Africa for instance. We can set all types of standards. It is a real opportunity.
How do you grow a BUSINESS YOU GET MORE SALES....
Think about it. cheers all. |
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By: rach.a@xtra.co.nz
6/08/2008
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i say a big NO, we need to keep hold of what we have, that's what keeps us precious, our large tracts of land, why would we want a bigger population when our roading, health, education systems are already struggling?
our economic growth could happen in other ways, even better is to stop being dependant on other nations, make our exports a bigger industry than our imports, and stop giving our money to things overseas that we aren't or don't have to be responsible for, so no, no, no!!!!!!!!!! |
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By: roserina@xtra.co.nz
6/08/2008
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| rockery91 We should take up exporting *** holes like yourself then we would have room for decent people to come over and appreciate this country. |
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By: terrimcgoo@xtra.co.nz
8/08/2008
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| i agree with roserina. what type of imbecile is this rockery91 ? |
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By: rsmith111333
9/08/2008
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How do you think other countries have grown. Increased population. Our country can do it. NZ land size would be similar to the UK wouldn't it.
OK if growth of population is not a way to grow the economy. What is your suggestion?
Not being rude but give us a workable plan. If you cannot then don;t knock the population plan.
Thanks and look forward to your fair response.
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By: cristalbaul
12/08/2008
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1/. It is an unrealistic goal in the short term to increase our population at other than a natural pace.
The countries infrastructure could simply not currently support it - and that cannot be expanded withour enormous cost.
Our current population is too small to pay for it.
In which case the country will need to grow at a natural pace !!. |
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By: saunders.rich
16/08/2008
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NO.
Unnatural population growth to the tune of 8 million in NZ would undoubtedly make us a bigger economy.
The massive problems we would face though would relate to an imploding infrastructure, destruction and overuse of our natural resources and massive social issues like an explosion in crime rates. All these would add up to a larger economy but a third world country that none of us would want to live in.
The answer to our economic woes and small economy is in our heads. The Middle East has oil, which is something we don't have in abundance, but the Swiss have/had banks and they're bigger than their landmass. We need to think rather than just use up our natural resources.
I don't know the answer, but it will come from leveraging our minds and developing industries that are not dependent on our numbers. We'll never punch big if we base our punching on our numbers. Instead we need to innovate.
Even a population of 8 million would still make us small fries. So the backward step would be massive. |
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By: saunders.rich
16/08/2008
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I'm sorry rsmith, but the reasoning that "we don't have a better plan so let's go with the one that might work" isn't suitable when you're deciding the fate of a nation.
Not knocking you, I just don't think "we don't have a better idea" is good enough. I don't have the answer, because I don't have all the answers, but I think we need to come up with a better way rather than just taking the easy way.
As I mentioned in my earlier response, it's going to be about leveraging our collective intellect and being innovative. We need an answer that does not depend on numbers, but leverage of what we have.
Do you have a workable plan for replacing and sustaining our economic and social wellbeing when you open the doors to double our current population? Hello abject poverty. You're free to have your opinion, but please don't knock the people who are looking for better answers. |
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By: twinboys2220
17/08/2008
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yes may be is just to many people and where would you
put them all??? |
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By: t.peterson@xtra.co.nz
19/08/2008
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One of the best things about NZ is it's small population.
One of the worst things about NZ is it's small population. |
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By: clonetank
19/08/2008
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I'm fine with anything.
really we already have 5 million and with winstion peters as our immgration minster who says we should stop people coming. Well you people keep talking. |
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By: cristalbaul
19/08/2008
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Not only, "where would you put them all" Where would you employ them !!. Other than dairying, all the jobs are either now, or will be, in China/Asia.
NZ has already been allowed to grow at a disproportionate rate with 1/3 of the population within the Auckland area. |
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By: iotapeter
20/08/2008
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| Otago has a population of 198,000 people; it is 1000 sq. kilometers bigger than Holland - which has 16,000,000 people.Natural increase will not increase our population quickly enough.Population growth will automatically bring with it more jobs,money for infrastructure etc.Sure - growth has to be managed.But remember the lesson of history - use it or lose it. |
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By: zenitec01
22/08/2008
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It doesnt pay to get too caught up in the dollar value alone. At least the quality of the US products are reasonable and the contracts enforceable.
China makes 80% low quality products, doesnt give a second thought to polluting the atmosphere or using toxic chemicals in their products - are scaming just about every product category on earth and cannot be trusted in any deal.
Give me dealing with USA over China any day! |
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By: cristalbaul
23/08/2008
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iotapeter suggests that:
"More people will bring more jobs".
Apart from the Infracture not coping, which has been covered...
NZ could simply NOT, quickly, employ such an increased population.
As NZ is currently heading into a recession it would inevitively result in massive unemployment - almost immediately - Which in itself, would lead to a Blowout in welfare - and increased taxes.
As there would be too many new citizens to be employed, in the existing 'Service Industries' - Employment would need to be supplemented by additional Production.
To achieve production, factories etc., would be required.
Prior to building factories, markets are required for the output.
To obtain those markets, the cost of production must be competive - which generally in NZ it is not.
Is the suggestor willing have the minimum wage rate sc.rapped [not permitted by censor to say sc.rapped without the period. LOL] and work for the equivilant of Asian or third world wages to bring his suggested population to fruition. Such a lower wage economy would result in an immediate huge 'Brain Drain'.
Analysis: No immediate short term answer.
I worked overseas for a while in a city that actually tried to achieve a rapid increased in population & production.
Here is the result: |
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By: cristalbaul
23/08/2008
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Cont'd...
New Towns of low cost rental housing were developed and multi National industries were encouraged & provided with tax incentives to relocate there. When a person had a local job, they were elligible for a new House. Many well known companies relocated, SKF, Monsanto, and many others Everything seemed to be booming. As time passed, all of the companies mentioned gradually closed and imported their products from lower labour cost countries. There was such massive unemployment that the locals could not afford to buy the imported goods. While most N. Zealanders can generally afford low cost chinese goods, when the majority of people have no work at all, and little money, it is not the case. The town was faced with very little employment and tenants not being able to afford their rental.
The houses were offered for sale, initially to the existing tenants at 2/3 of their market value.
A Country can simply NOT bring in a massive influx of people with out a great deal of planning. |
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By: m.aislabie@xtra.co.nz
23/08/2008
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Yes, Be fruitful and multiply. I say grow NZ big and beautiful.
The more NZ born people are encourged to have large families the better. And it don't need to be immigration, How about stop aborting 18,000 children a year. That'll get us good increase straight off. |
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By: whkb1
26/08/2008
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Yes, but close the doors to all and just sundry. Let us procreate, go back to the extended family, not the USA's
and European,nuclear family. We can reach 8 million if that's what you want. I myself have an island home where
population is decreasing. Much more tradtionally happy and
people there. And before you tell me to go back there, I
have Maori Aotearoa whakapapa too.
Rurangi, uri a Maui. |
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By: ros6s460
26/08/2008
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NO, I say the planet has a major problem and its people!
New Zealand is fine with this many people, some of us just have to get off their ass's and get out there and work. Stop Imigration into our country, all they do is get on benifit and suck us dry.
The governemnt needs to spend tax payers money wisely.
No more Treaty pay outs, crist we are broke enough!
Stop the gravy train the MP's are on when they retire, look at reducing the amount of MPs alltogether. Stop all travel exspences for MPs. We have to make our own way to work, why the fak don't they.
This country can grow buy itself, no more immigrants. It is hard to spot a or let alone bump into an original full blooded kiwi thesedays. |
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By: charlie_studd
26/08/2008
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| planet has new zealand hasn't |
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By: v123narroc
1/09/2008
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Zenitec01
'China makes 80% low quality products, doesnt give a second thought to polluting the atmosphere or using toxic chemicals in their products'
Yet GM and Ford have no problems with using chinese partts for their vehicles. The cry buy US made looks silly when the Local Toyota's have more US components than the Fords and GM vehicles do.
The US is getting to be a has been of the 20th Century. The future whether we like it or not lies in Asian.
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Re:Grow NZ to 8 million people Yes/No (PREVIEW)
It doesnt pay to get too caught up in the dollar value alone. At least the quality of the US products are reasonable and the contracts enforceable.
China makes 80% low quality products, doesnt give a second thought to polluting the atmosphere or using toxic chemicals in their products - are |
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By: mikejose@xtra.co.nz
5/09/2008
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| definitely not keep new zealand clean green and small, too many people here as it is |
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