By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
25/05/2009
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By: comyn16
2 days ago (Saturday, 8:52 pm)
Nice post and thank you for your comments, however:
To focus on another compulsory language at school will make it harder for Maori and Non-Maori students.
Not so, children are capable of learning many different languages simultaneously and in fact enriches their learning. You dont have to be a genius but it is easier if the learning is also followed up at home with a multilinguistic family.
I do however think the problem with learning only Te Reo Maori in a kura kaupapa is that the children dont integrate into mainstream education well having learnt all their subjects in Te Reo. Yes english is the language of business but Maori people are proven to be among the most entrepeneurial races in the world. Pretty good going for a population of around 800,000.
Your point: The Malays are now switching back to have the core subjects taught in English as the young are finding hard to find jobs because the young cannot speak English.
That would make the Malays multilinguistic then as obviously their native language is Malay. |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
26/05/2009
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| First Hine no crash course How about a life time and have never given up my many cultures though it is hard without all the government help. secondly have never said you should accept defeat but fairness and rationality has to come into it. I don't see how blaming everyone for everything can be right e.g. caned forspeaking Maori in schools just as EVERYONE ELSE was caned in the day for disobedience. It seems to me that grievances are wanted. I can see where you are coming from as you seem to be somewhat deluded about how you are seen in the world. Anyway have said enough have a great life |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
26/05/2009
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igini, just quickly before you and I both continue with our lives:
I don't see how blaming everyone for everything can be right e.g.
How on earth did you get that from this thread? The message is moving forward and not leaving our culture, language and value system behind in the process as you have obviously done.
It is you who is deluded my friend and you should be thanking me for taking a crash course in your culture. Not many people would have afforded you that, I stayed up till 1.00am last night.
The government help you mention is called REDRESS!! And in New Zealand everyone else was caned for disobedience but only Maori were caned for speaking their native language.
Anyhow, refer to my last post a few days ago, for you and me it still stands. |
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By: praneet.castelino
26/05/2009
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Here is what I think, lets face it NZ these days has people from every corner of the world living here. Why should I as a immigrant be forced to learn Maori? I do agree that the language should be used to some extent but not taught by force. Now what you should be doing is as I have seen overseas is that create a Maori atmosphere.
That is traffic signs can be bi-lingual in both English and Maori and similar things like that. People will pick it up from these little things and if interested will learn more Maori. |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
26/05/2009
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"And in New Zealand everyone else was caned for disobedience but only Maori were caned for speaking their native language" INcorrect already told you my grandfather was and nothing was thought of it as it was COMMON However there is a grievance here but no OTHER cultures find one!
Blaming everyone well look at the threads that is all they are about The language issue is a classic case - the caning ...
I don't care less of you stayed up till one finding a little bit about one of my cultures. You only did it to try and be derogatory and I'm supposed to feel grateful!!
Wasn't aware of anything in previous post worth replying to. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
26/05/2009
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Geez youre frustrating Igini! So now your grandfather went to school in NZ? Im sure you said you were from Israel and you left your whole life behind to make a better existence for yourself in New Zealand.
What is it Igini? You just pick one of your cultures and make up a suitable story on the spot to match what you want me to believe? Or do you pick a story and then a suitably persecuted culture to match your unbelievable story.
What a worthless argument Igini. Im not sure whether youre Arthur or Martha, I feel ripped off! |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
26/05/2009
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praneet castelino,
That is traffic signs can be bi-lingual in both English and Maori and similar things like that. People will pick it up from these little things and if interested will learn more Maori.
What awsome creativity and welcome to Aotearoa New Zealand. Hope you enjoy our country and no, I dont think we will be forcing our language on you or anyone else : ) |
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By: madaxe01
26/05/2009
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well don't shoot me, but Id have to agree English is the main language,
how ever a certain amount OF TRUE history and knowledge of the TOW and Treaty of Waitangi SHOULD be compulsory, for ALL students so they don't grow up with a misunderstanding of the TRUE principles of what those documents stand for, and let HISTORY reflect both cultures coming together and what transpired....not the heavy handed bullshyet the children get on here from parents or from the media or the watered down bullshyet the GOVERNMENT is pushing either....
This is where I think pupils need educating EVERY student regardless of race....axe |
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By: madaxe01
26/05/2009
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hey Rip...Im leaving soon, just wanted a chance to say thanks for supporting me, could you pass the word, specially to eraroa, wata hope he is ok, marj, paerina, hine, ela, caps, DDS if you want to know WHY its because I pissed yahoo off...lol...so any way ITS been great to get to know you and others, take care xox ...lol..
its taken them a while...lol...axe |
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By: watacrakup
26/05/2009
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| kia ora mad i'm great by the way i'm a she....Po marie |
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26/05/2009
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By: ripekaarmstrong
27/05/2009
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Axe!!!!!...dont you dare leave unless its your decision!!!!
just come back as Max okay....luv ya heaps xoxoxo |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
27/05/2009
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| kia ora wata...LOL...I thought you were a boy too, you fight like one...hahaha |
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| kia ora hine!!!! keep our thread going girl. |
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By: elalamein@xtra.co.nz
28/05/2009
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ripeka -
Tenei te mihi. Kiaora mo to tautoko, a nga Pakeha kuare... he panapana ahau ki te wahi korerotia a nga wahi whaiwhai ana nga [politics] mo oku korerotia a te hamuhamu me te patu o te pakeha tino kino.
Engari, tino pouri ma tena whiuwhiu ana a te keha
Tena koe Ripeka me toku hoa kei runga te papa ma ta ratou awhitia ki ahau |
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By: elalamein@xtra.co.nz
28/05/2009
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walterhome
Te Reo as an official language should be taught as a parallel with English.
Historically English is the fourth language to arrive in NZ
It is derived from several anglo-saxon sources, aka the Scandinavian and other Euro countries. |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
29/05/2009
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hine just to help out I have FOUR grandparents. and you make lotsof assumptions ofthings I haven;t said.
The pointin question here is that ALL kids were caned for disobedience and a number of languages were affected not just Maori. Nnow lets move on to positive things |
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By: miriellegrl
29/05/2009
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| Ought to be compulsory until proficient. |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
29/05/2009
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We have a new Maori curriculum document 2010 which is to be implemented into ALL state/integrated English medium Primary and Intermediate schools throughout New Zealand.
This is only the start of the many more changes to come.
And yes this means that te reo and tikanga will be apart of your child's learning programme come 2010.
Some schools in the Northalnd Area are already well into implementing the new Maori curriculum. |
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By: nanikaya_tohbi
29/05/2009
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Halito! to all. I am Choctaw. As with many American First Peoples, we have gone back to our native tongues. There are still many that need to become fluent, and I am one of those. Choctaw schools on the reservation in Mississippi now teach in Choctaw. We are making conscious efforts to speak our languages at home, and English is now becoming a second language. Our culture and heritage is taught, but this is at the Indian schools and not off the reservations. Some non indian schools and colleges do offer these type courses, but they are elective only.
Stand tall in your Native Pride. I suppose on this forum I should say aboriginal or indigenous? Yakoke for your time. |
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By: jeff.allan@xtra.co.nz
29/05/2009
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Am I not correct in saying that Maori parents in the early 20th century forbade their children speaking Te Reo because they realised that English was the language of the World. Time seems to have proved them right and a significant number of contributors to this thread wrong.
Compulsory Te Reo in schools where kids are already illiterate and inumerate - Why?? |
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By: irkiwi1
29/05/2009
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Absolutely NOT. English is not only the language of most new Zealanders, it is a UNIVERSAL language.
Today's Children have fallen far enough behind the academic standards of many other countries yet it is proposed to spend precious time on this topic.
Maori Language - written by British, Based on English Alphabet characters, not directly translatable into english meanings other than generalisations & some words are merely bas tedised English.
Aeroplane Translated into flying waka |
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By: kev353
29/05/2009
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Two wrongs make a right??
European forced Maori to speak english, now Maori want to force Te Reo on European NZers.
What is this? a war of tit for tat!
The right to speak any of the 3 official languges is law. But making it compulsory is a little extreme. Maybe start acting with decorum at Waitangi day and you'll have some persuasion to start convincing the majority - till then stick to Hikoi and wailing wahine! |
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By: kev353
29/05/2009
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Funny Irkiwi,
I agree with you.
Let Maori invent their own alphabet and phonetic system to suit Te Reo as sign has done for the hearing impaired.
To use a European system in the manner they do and complain is hypocracy of a magnitude greater than some of the claims they are being reimbused for. |
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By: kev353
29/05/2009
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And as for that stupid Aoteroa flag.....
Talk about numb to history - flags were a European invention Maori. Go invent and use something uniquely Maori to wave and identify with, like your heads for example which you once did. |
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