By: jeff.allan@xtra.co.nz
29/05/2009
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Key353 says the "Europeans" forced Maori to speak English but I think that is a bit of revisionist PC history. Asian countries such as Thailand have English as a compulsory language. This is why the citizens of these countries can complete in a global market and leave us for dead.
How will Te Reo drag Maori out of the poverty trap? |
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By: kev353
29/05/2009
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I agree Jeff,
The point I made was metaphorical in that the English language allowed everyone to communicate freely (sign is even better becuase it has no language barrier and everyone using it has no language barrier).
I should have said it is perhaps unfortunate as to how that was implented in NZ in the past, but I cannot change that and I do not dwell in the past either unlike some Maori.
I disagree about other countries leaving us for dead - my industry is booming because we are the best and are recognised as such by the asian countries who use our skills for prototypes and first editions because thats what we are good at (number 8 wire and technology).
How learning te Reo is going to help my kids or I get better at this is way below my IQ. |
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By: rfldevelopments
30/05/2009
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| WANTED URGENTLY: A Pied Piper who can play maori tunes. |
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By: boston_boyd
30/05/2009
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Another excellent thread going down the gurgler........
Now lets all SHOUT! SHOUT! SHOUT! Until somebody gets banned!!! |
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By: brown.wiki@xtra.co.nz
30/05/2009
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| What a pity that people have a one eyed view of the world when they enjoy eating from the neighbors fruit bowl. CHANGE for the better veiw and vision. |
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By: mozzarella68
31/05/2009
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jeff.allan:
"Key353 says the "Europeans" forced Maori to speak English but I think that is a bit of revisionist PC history."
It's not revisionist PC history. When my mother was at school it was current government policy all over NZ.
"Asian countries such as Thailand have English as a compulsory language."
Yes, but Asian countries have adopted English into their cirriculums on their own terms, they haven't had their indigenous language and culture erroded in order to learn it. There's a big difference between the Asian experience and that of Maori, espcially given that NZ is the birthplace of te reo.
"This is why the citizens of these countries can complete in a global market and leave us for dead."
Right. This has nothing to do with any other factors, such as sheer numbers of Asians coming out of tertiary institutions with technical skills that are in high demand...only that they can speak English.
English is certainly a bonus, but only if you plan to compete in an English speaking market. I've worked in environments where English has been largely a second language behind S.p.a.n.i.s.h, German and Hindi.
Many outsorcing models have English only where necessary, i.e. client facing, which is espcially true of the Indian IT outsorcing model which I have been involved with off and on for the past 7 out of my total of 11 years in IT overseas.
"How will Te Reo drag Maori out of the poverty trap?"
Will learning how to calculate the area of a square get you out of poverty? It might. But I bet if you were armed with a collection of complimentary skills then you would stand a much better chance. It isn't about having just this or that skill. How does te reo prevent someone from learning other important skills?
If you want to infer that te reo is an impediment to higher learning and/or the attainment of life skills, then that's Ok. You're entitled to your opinion.
But your opinion has no basis in fact. |
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By: mhol@xtra.co.nz
2/06/2009
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| But mozz Maori asked that this be implemented, how it was done is irrelevant.it was the discipline of the times and not racially imposed.Children remember things differently than adults of the times.Buying into this old chestnut as a whip to chastise European is beneath you.My father got beaten for arriving at school late,for not sitting straight,so what?Maori wanted their children to be educated and educated fast.Now we have the PC brigade and poor english esp by Maori is the outcome and in Sth Auckland the English is so accented we've gone back three generations,even Aussies speak better. |
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By: fatty_too
12/06/2009
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| You have a very limited perception as to where the maori language can take our kids, but thats okay. My grandparents also felt the same way as you, what can the language give us?? There are great job opportunities for maori speaking people, in the big wide world. We can speak maori & live as one with other cultures in a good job i.e teaching, nursing, doctor, lawyer...i know because my maori speaking friends have jobs like that. Its not a language that makes us great, its the skills & knowledge we bring...and by the way, its not a made up language!!! |
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By: glasgowm96
12/06/2009
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handy subject if you want a well-paid government position and wish to have very little opposition in candidates applying for the job.
In fact I will ensure my children learn maori just to even up the odds.Mind, they might not be brown enough --a little brown but not "definitely a darkie" |
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By: vsy@xtra.co.nz
12/06/2009
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| Te Reo is an official language of Aotearoa New Zealand as ratified by the Treaty. English is compulsory, Maori is not, but I personally do not view this as 'insulting' in any way. Quite the opposite in fact. If we were to try to make Te Reo compuslsory, we would be repeating the same mistakes Pakeha Colonisation made when they tried to make the English language the only language to be spoken. They used force. We should not force upon Pakeha our Te Reo. It is too good for that. If they do not need it, then they should not have it. They used force, we should not. We should, in my opinion, give Te Reo to those who want it, cherish it, and value it. Willingly, not by force. Te Reo is a beautiful language. I wouldnt want to waste it on just anyone. Equality is not judged on how many people use a language. Equality is in the attitude of a nation. Maori are and will be for a long time to come, be judged, not on our language, but our crime stats. I dont want Te Reo to be compulsorily taught in any school, because I feel it would be casting pearls before swine. |
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By: vsy@xtra.co.nz
12/06/2009
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your children probably wouldnt be able to learn Te Reo.
and I wouldnt waste it on them if I was their teacher.
You will ensure.... who says you can ensure that my language should be open to you. ? You and your children will not learn my language on the basis of your attitude.
"Just to even up the odds" What odds ? "A handy subject" "govt job" "brown enough" "definitely a darkie"
I will personally ensure that people like you and your children never ever have access to my language - because of YOUR ATTITUDE not your skin colour or even your biased opinions. You are too ignorant to receive the blessing of any other language except English, which you dont even express correctly. |
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By: hohepahuria
15/06/2009
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Te Reo Maori WILL be a compulsory subject in NZ primary schools within 10 years.
Then we will see a reduction in Racism because the children of the racists will grow to like Maoridom and tell their parents that they have their heads up their rear ends. |
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By: toano1
18/06/2009
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On a different angle than economics and not being able to earn in the big wide world because you speak Te Reo
wouldnt it be good if every NZer can pronounce the New Zealand place names properly. Dont you just cringe when you listen to the reporters on the TV. It might help them??? |
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By: madaxe01
18/06/2009
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Kia ora All
my time here has now finally come to a close,
There was a time when it was impossible not to react to comments anti, anything ,there are a few here who know who they are I will always remember them with a warm smile on my face and LOL .....
whether I agreed with them or not, if you where white, black pink or blue, it was the heart in the words you shared that touchs the most and in that alone brought hope, change,and to some degree enlightment
it takes courage to change ones opinion or to disagree and then admit, hey I could have been a better person then
I dont feel it necessary to name those people...LOL....they and I know who they are
Heres a few trade mark signs Madaxe01, and Madaxe007 I can claim as my own....L.O.L...
AotearoA
new zealand
Born of the first people
Maori
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ASSIMALATE..
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To All friends and there are many I need to take my wife home TAKE CARE AROHANUI axe
And to ALL others even the most insulting,TAKE CARE
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Ill always keep an eye on you.....LOL....axe out.... |
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By: xangonz@ymail.com
19/06/2009
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| if you think that way get out of our country, Maori and proud to be |
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By: right.mr58
20/06/2009
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Hey Axe, I've called you cabin boy, fish boy and everything else I could possible to get a rise out of ya. You are a true proud maori and I take my hat off to ya (even if I called ya a terrorist from time to time).
Everything has always been tounge in cheek mate
Mate, I didn't realise ya doris was crook. I wish you and her all the best and hope all goes well.
Hopefully I can be abusing your skinny black ass again real soon ya pain in the ass!!!!
All the best. I know ya probably think I'm a pri@k hahahaha
Take care
rlfdevelopments (got banned again so needed a new ID) |
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By: stubbornforge
21/06/2009
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I totally disagree.
Todays te reo is all book based and controlled by a
curriculum.
The whole language has been altered and adjusted to accomodate todays new technology ..like microwave..
When I was taught, I was taught by an elder, we were not allowed pencils or paper,
it was all learned by listening and repeating.
My second arguement is te reo should be by choice and not by demand.
To enter into a learning facility and told that you must do karakia and then perform in a weekly kapa haka is ridiculous.
This is why they have bi-lingual schools.
Third argument: there is nothing to cater for students who have come from kohanga reo to bi-lingual learning institutes.
This not the fault of the govt but for the Maori heads of state who have pushed for the bi-lingual classes and who were given xxx amount of dollars to set them up but have only done so in a half hearted way. |
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By: hohepahuria
21/06/2009
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it's a giggle going through this thread and seeing so many Bigots saying that their kids don't want to learn Te Reo Maori when they wouldn't have even discussed it with them.
All 5 year olds would love to learn Maori. It's their dickhead parents who have the problem. |
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By: hohepahuria
21/06/2009
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stubbornforge
You think the word microwave isn't knew to the English language as well?
LOL |
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By: hohepahuria
21/06/2009
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By: stubbornforge
Today (8:19 am)
To enter into a learning facility and told that you must do karakia and then perform in a weekly kapa haka is ridiculous. "
I don't know why I had to endure music lessons at school. Was never going to be a musician but I was made to do it.
Had sunday school stuff rammed down my throat at primary school too.
If it's okay to ram this and other needless stuff down kids throats it should be a breath of fresh air to have a Te Reo lesson. |
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By: dmc1971x
22/06/2009
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| What do I think..... gone are the days when it was just Maori and Pakeha. We are a multi cultural country with many different languages. If Maori becomes complusory then shouldn't Tongan, Samoan, Fijian, Indian, all Asian langauges, French, German ( and every other language in this country ) be complusory as well ? |
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By: stubbornforge
22/06/2009
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I beg to differ with the amount of Asians that can speak clear english.
They are supposed to take a IELT..[International English Language Test] in thier own countries ..many how ever get somebody else to sit the test for them.
Stop trying to polish the Asians backsides and compare them to maori , they stand no chance when it comes to honesty.
That race is probably full of liars, cheaters than any other race in this country.
Some maori may not have a shiny halo but at least they don't do half the rubbish Asians do.
You go to any Asian country and pull half the stunts they pull here and you will be locked up or immediately deported
..even threatened with death penalty.
When they break the law here, they get their parents to either pay or they simply change ID's and skip the country.
Which happens to be ours ..by the way.
Now stick to the topic.
Compulsary te reo in schools..
again I say..No.
let it be a choice for those who want to learn . |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
23/06/2009
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hohepa
All 5 year olds would love to learn Maori. It's their dickhead parents who have the problem.
hahaha lmao....love it to bits!! |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
23/06/2009
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| I dont give a shyt about any other culture living in Aotearoa, Maori are tangata whenua and te reo Maori should either be compulsory or made an option. |
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By: right.mr58
23/06/2009
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Who the hell are you to tell me that my kids should be taught some stupid language that will NOT benefit them one bit later in life!!!! The language you are writting in right now is our national language!!! Get used to it ya hypocrite!!!
This over PC cr@p about maori is wearing thin on mainstream NZ!!
"tangata whenua"?? Sounds like a mouth infection to me! For the record, check your "so called" history (the real one not the cr@p that all the lying elders tell you)> Maori WERE NOT HERE FIRST!!!!! That is a fact.
Go force your activists thoughts else where farkwit!!! |
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