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7/05/2009
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| Oops, sorry fingerprints bro. This is hine!!!!!! I was just checking my emails and crossed lines with you! |
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| THE DEAF SIGN LANGUAGE IS ALSO OFFICIAL , I'D RATHER HAVE MY KIDS LEARN THAT 1ST. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
7/05/2009
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Hi rustyramkam,
First I applaud you and thank you for speaking sincerely on the issue. I hope we can continue to dialogue as mature adults.
My sentiments exactly, Maori should contribute to the funding of their own educational institutions.
I dont know of any top management feathering their own nests. But perhaps Maori orgs should be more tightly regulated and audited. The reason you see alot of negativity in the media is because thats what sells. These message boards are a prime example of that, hell Im a celebrity on here just because Im Maori.
Positive outcomes of Maori funding go to education scholarships and assets. Tainui, Te Arawa and Ngai Tahu are iwi that are all asset rich and fund Maori scholarships.
John Keys and the Maori party have a mutual agreement to agree to disagree and not to backbite. Peter Sharples claims to always be kept in the loop with John Keys decisions so its a matter of good faith.
I dont know about a poor me syndrome. I have a full-time job, raise my child and completed my tertiary education. I dont know a single person without a job, though listening to the news tonight unemployment is at its worst for six years. Thats for everybody not just Maori.
Education should provide the child with the tools they need to deal with their own realities. If that is the Maori world then a childs education should reflect that. It shouldnt be restricted to the home. Education is indoctrinating it matters what and how the kids are learning.
The attitude change you are talking about needs to come from both sides. The colonised need to stop blaming the colonisers and the colonisers need to stop blaming the colonised. Putting right what is wrong.
Thanks rustyramkam, I did enjoy your post. Oh and I dont need to access higher learning. Im already qualified. Te Wananga O Aotearoa, Te Awanuiarangi and Te Wananga O Raukawa are all Maori tertiary institutions, though they cant be called universities as decreed by the govt. |
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By: rustyramkam
7/05/2009
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Kapai Hine,
for the first time in ages I don`t feel like another pointless argument.
With what you have just written you should be celebrated wherever you go,this is my point,if pakeha were shown the more positive things coming from Maoridom on a regular basis attitudes would change.
The Maori-Pakeha stand has become so instilled in both sides,similar to the NZ-Aussie rivalry,that no one wants show any sway.
No slight was intended re access to higher learning.
Hine,I dont know what your profession is but I hope it has an influence on education somewhere in the mix.
Need more pakeha watching the Maori channel,one of the best
selections of entertainment & docos available.
Thanks for your comments
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By: rustyramkam
7/05/2009
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| kym hewitson,you are a sad little thai food ingredient,one of the original citrus family |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
8/05/2009
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| fingerprints Massey Stage 111 Maori actual question Yes I have had to operate in a dual world and in more than one place Not thatuncommon. I'mfor the maintenance of culture andlanguage but not inthe belligerent way itis oftendone |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
8/05/2009
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| Alright igini but you and I both know theres alot of irrelevance in the course material at universities. Thats still mystifying though but you shouldnt define your WHOLE experience on one question. Learning te reo maori is a journey and its a commitment. One paper at level one is not going to give you any in depth comprehension of language or culture. You and I both know this. I relate this to my gym experience. If you wanted to run a marathon and you hadnt run in the last 10 years, you wouldnt expect to train for 1 day and then run 10ks would you? So what expectations did you have from massey 111? |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
8/05/2009
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Kia Ora Rustyramkam,
You and I could be the catalysts for change, peacemakers of our generation perhaps. Its amazing what you can acheive if you open your taringas long enough to hear anothers story! Undeniably there is alot of Maori acheivement going on quietly in the background but theres still alot of progress to be made.
Im not in education but I take a strong interest because I mentor a group of students. I like to know what adversities they face and what opportunities are available for them so Im in a better position to guide them on the path to success.
Yeah Maori t.vs fantastic! Its the best t.v. watching today and alot of the docos are not Maori based but definitely have indigenous inclinations. Its positive vs negative reinforcement. I cant stand mainstream Maori programmes such as Bro Town and Pukana Mai. Theyre a perfect example of hegemony at its finest. Maori portraying Maoridom as dumb and pathetic it really makes me angry. I dont allow it in my house to the dissappointment of my child :-)
You would do well working with Maori rustyramkam in whatever role you do!
Ma te wa e hoa,
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By: rustyramkam
8/05/2009
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Hine,brace yourself,I have been referring some of our poster colleagues to this site & to your postings in paticular,I believe you have the mana to put some balance in their thinking.
Please try & help them |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
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| Hine It was an example not my definition - did I say otherwise? I would expect 3rd year Maori or any paper to be balanced not full of propaganda |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
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| And the attitude problems I have brought up do relate to a real problem that is not being addressed because it;s not PC to do so. I havehadsuccess with kids by trying tochange their way of thinking about education etc - it;s that easy. Bye the bye What do you think are the maincommunication problems between Maori and non Maori e.g. Maori communication is more body language,silence is more acceptable as it is giving theother person space compared to Western where words are more important and silence can bwe construed as rude |
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By: miriellegrl
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| Learning more than one language is good, whether Maori, French or whatever. English is the language of business and is necessary to communicate but to learn a new language opens your mind to other cultures, anything that rids people of ignorance is worthwhile. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
8/05/2009
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Igini
Thats an important question if we talk changing attitudes. Maori teens especially the boys respond better is you talk their language. The secret handshake, the nod or eyebrow raise instead of a hullo. Its up to the individual teacher to be aware this is how Maori communicate. I know a boy who said nothing to his teacher the entire year, just sat back enjoying her class. At the last class he raised his eyebrows to her as a sign of respect. She complained and he was taken to the disciplinary board.
Igini in the European Union they have 23 Official languages. Compulsary learning of a foreign language starts at the age of 8-10 and sometimes earlier. The Europeans believe multi-lingualism fosters a spirit of multi-culturalism and promotes diversity. Children who speak different languages will find it easier to get a job. They also have policies protecting threatened languages. Do you think this is a good standards for NZ schools to follow? |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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Rusty!!!!
Thanks for the heads up, I dont mind at all. Thats what its all about, different people and their different opinions! |
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By: rtr_lol
8/05/2009
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| Te Reo Maori is a legitimate, official language, instead of putting up barriers to delegitimise its value by making up BS reasons why it shouldn't be used. Support it, use it and give the language its acknowledgement and Mana it deserves.....make it compulsory in schools!!!!!! absolutely |
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By: rtr_lol
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| get a grip "ignini" what sort of Maori studies on a Marae have you done????......you obviously paid a lot of attention on what you believed to be propaganda, don't be so stupidly close minded. The propaganda you you talk about is probably the truth you chose to ignore.....!!!!!! |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
8/05/2009
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rusty thank you for pointing me to this thread. I have to say there is some great intellectual dialogue going on in this thread and hope it stays this way.
First I would like to address your post and comments made on iwi funds filtering to members. Many iwi have initiated and developed successful Health and Social Services, whanau ora programmes for tamariki, pakeke and kaumatua/koroua, General Practition services, asthma and diabetes programmes and of course we have kohanga and kura kaupapa. There are many iwi across the nation doing exactly the same thing.
To further answer your quote, "Education must begin at home,dysfunctional families produce lost children" and in continuation of the above:
For MÄori people and future generations to continue and grow we need to be able to have the information, capability and resources to prevent illness and disease, to achieve full potential.
Human resources are needed; a well educated workforce, high skills in health promotion and health education. Education has to be high in quality, relevant and closely aligned with health. You cannot work across the sectors in isolation of each other. Only then can dysfunction in a family be addressed to its full capacity to allow growth and healthy lifestyle changes. |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
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kia ora hine, I was directed to this thread and have to agree with rusty, you are a definite leader. Hope you're working with your iwi: )
I am not sure how the rivalry between Maori and Pakeha will resolve and didnt even know there was one until I came on these threads. However all aside, collaborative approaches between Maori and Pakeha on a governance and policy making decision has been in place for some time. Mason Durie has been extremely instrumental in providing Maori structures and frameworks for both Maori and Pakeha educational institutions.
I dont believe Te Reo Maori should be compulsory in schools because of the hornets nest it would raise amongst the majority. Without a doubt NZ education system will benefit from indigenous knowledge in which indigenous knowledge interfaces with science and conventional educational theory, but I dont think the Pakeha people are ready for it yet.
Though tertiary at this point, I cannot wait for the Govt to decree Te Wananga o Aotearoa, Te Awanuarangi, Te Wananga o Raukawa and Te Kaiawhina Ahumahi universities, wow...how great would that be aye!! |
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By: rustyramkam
8/05/2009
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| Ripeka, kia ora, thankyou for your comments,this thread needs some clear thinkers involved & I hope that it does`nt go the same way as some of the other options.I`m just an average euro NZer & my Descendents have been here pretty much from day 1 of the invasion ( first pakeha recorded born in the south island at a place called Andersons Bay,Dunedin was one of my lot) but education is a subject close to my heart |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
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kia ora rusty, wow your'e ancient too and the first Pakeha to be recorded...thats awsome history. Sooo were your ancestors Scottish Gaelic..if so its one to be proud of, if not be proud anyway. Dunedin is a beautiful city with all those grand buildings that seems like you're in another place and another time.
I truly believe we are at a time when Aotearoa New Zealand, Maori and Pakeha can celebrate together because of the reformation of Maori society that the Treaty has provided and given opportunity to, not only for us but Pakeha as well. Great talking to you rusty : ) |
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By: rustyramkam
9/05/2009
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Ripeka,right on the button re my ancestors,thats why I`m so anti english..the Scots have had a similar history as Maori when dealing with these bulldogs,took our land & forced their politics us but hey,chin up,in the last couple of years they have finally given the recognition of land & self Govt back to the Scots.
Ach aye,makes me get a tingle in the sporren.
One day maybe the same will happen here,squeaky wheel gets the oil.
My main roots of the past 3 generations are based in King Country but also have very strong connections with iwi in Parihaka,Taranaki......th at is another story,but not for this particular forum.
You keep talking with Hine & I will admire from the distance up here in the land of Jafa.
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By: faithfulld
10/05/2009
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| Really!!! That's pretty judgemental of you. Maybe you need to listen a bit closely to others to, not just Maori. |
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By: rustyramkam
10/05/2009
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I do listen to others,have done all my life & would probably listen to you to if you had something to say.
Pull your head out of your a$$,have a look around & maybe you wont be so judgemental of what I do |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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Next year there will be a new 2010 curriculum being posted out to all schools in New Zealand. It is a revised edition to the current one schools are expected to operate within. This document is 'carefully' worded. Inferences can be easily made by both Maori and Non Maori regarding 'validity' and 'equality'. Maori have had input into the development of this curriculum document, but conditioned in the fact that the structures of this document fall in line with 'mainstream ideals of knowing'. Maori epistemology has yet been given full stature, but contained within a box.
While I acknowledge that each person will have their own opinions, it is also important to consider that one voice cannot be heard amongst a thousand speakers.
I see some valuable points have been written on ths thread and I think that is amazing. Informed decision making is a major component of critical theory. Interesting to read the posts. |
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(M_ellis@xtra.co.nz) In the earlier 1930s and onwards, many Maori families had adopted the 'norms' of the larger majority. This was in part due to the ideal that Maori would benefit and better achieve in the pakeha system.
In adopting the 'norms' of the larger majority, many Maori families although not all, adopted the aspirations of the pakeha; to achieve success, undertake further study and get good jobs. The concept of 'Maori' was continually reflected throughout policy as a deficit culture. In many cases, this was reinforced through the media medium. |
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