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11/05/2009
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| Browsing around the Ministry of Education website today I became concerned as I couldnt find any cirriculum in the languages pertaining especially to Maori. I found Cook Island Maori, and various other languages. Am I looking in the wrong place? Im looking for what rangimarie is talking about. |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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| (Chic 213) I agree that in line with the treaty principles, te reo maori should be given rightful acknowledgement. I agree too that te reo Maori needs to be encouraged and promoted in more positive light. |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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| New Zealand Curriculum Framework 2010 Ministry of Education. |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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| There is no curriculum in the languages pertaining especially to Maori ? ? ? ? |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
11/05/2009
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| Thanks rangimarie! Im just leaving work for the day, will print out and read at home :-) |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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The "poor me syndrome" derives its reference from the social, economic and cultural deficits and disadvantages that view maori as victims of their own demise. In similar terms, it suggests that Maori need to take responsibility for their own actions and discontinue with the cultural rivalry evident in today's society.
Maori need the autonomy to exercise their own agency, in order to better facilitate their own people. This is not a plea for "plese feel sorry for me". If the demographics state that Maori are over representated in prison systems, underachievement of education in english medium schools, and more at risk in relation to health issues, then surely this is a prime example that indicates that the current society that we have been attempting to co-exist within, is not working in our best favour.
Numerous governement initiatives have been directed toward 'fall catching' regimes for Maori. An example could include courses that cater for low academic qualifying students who have left school with no formal qualifications and have no or little employment.
One must be critical about the way policy and process work. Government policies try to 'plaster' things to make things appear okay and 'manageable'.
If we park the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, we are not actually dealing with the problem.
There are now 85% Maori schooling in mainstream school, and most probably half of which would not be able to meet te reo profficiency test to enrol into kura kaupapa. This affects target funding and charters for those particular schools. |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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Te reo maori being compulsory in school does not mean that all other essential learning areas will be compromised. Nor would it mean that students will have to take on Maori epistemological views.
I agree that te reo Maori needs to be learnt within maori contexts, but this does not mean that Mainstream medium schools have no maori context. As long as there are 85 percent maori schooling in mainstream education, there will always be a Maori 'context' of learning.
This does not refer solely to the 'marae' environment generally associated with Maori traditional dimensions of culture. A large percentage of Maori in mainstream are not achieving, and more initiatives need to be implemented to support Maori learners in their learning.
Some students don't like to learn Science, Maths, and English and do not see the benefit of such learning in it's present state, but according to Moe, these are compulsory core subjects. The majority of society sees the benefits of these essential areas as critical to future success in the labour market. Maori however have not held traditional beliefs within the same context of a 'market' context but there are potential possibilities. |
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By: rangimarie@rocketmail.com
11/05/2009
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In regards to Maori tertiary institutions.
While it is a great achievement for Maori to have a number of tertiary institutions including te wananga o Aotearoa, Raukawa and Te awanuiarangi, there are still considerations that need to be reviewed.
Some students who have studied and completed higher learning in these institutes and gained the qualification desired, have had problems in cross creditting sucessfully to 'other' tertiary institutes. This is because supposedly the level of learning does not sit at the same par as that of 'other' institutes.
Again this refers to the unequal 'status' of Maori knowledge, Maori ways of knowing in comparison to Pakeha education. |
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By: justgolfit
11/05/2009
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If there is a different language that I would want my daughter to learn it would be J*a*p*a*n*e*s*e (geez how is this offensive language lmao) & French, if she chose to learn the maori language later on in life that is entirely up to her, what is learning the maori language actually gonna achieve if she chose to travel the world or if she becomes a successful business lady... absolutely nothing....
Oh and btw im part maori too so dont think im being racist, im being realistic. |
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By: rustyramkam
11/05/2009
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Rangamarie,
Interesting perspective in your postings,the thinkers will enjoy.
The last two lines on your 3-33pm post bound to get the normal reaction no doubt.
If mainstream NZ saw more of what Maori were doing in a positive way,attitudes will start to change.
We cant stop crime, but we can start the education. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
11/05/2009
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Hi rusty!
Youre a sight for sore eyes ;-) |
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11/05/2009
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Justgo,
At least she would know something that they dont,handy sometimes in a foreign country, to be able to let go with a bit of the old verbal patu when the situation arose. |
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By: rustyramkam
11/05/2009
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Kia ora Hine,
Cant bear to look at myself at the mo.
Been in mourning since the Kiwis lost.
By the way,on one one of the threads going about john banks,have nominated you & Ripeka for mayor of super city.
catch you later |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
11/05/2009
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Me rusty!
Youre far too kind, I must go see!
Dont worry too much about the kiwis they will get theyre second wind, we always do!
Oooh, Im going to have a look lol! |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
11/05/2009
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I believe you can study a degree in Environmental Planning at Te Wananga O Aotearoa and have it crossed to mainstream university if youre considering studying at masters level.
Perhaps in time other degrees will be transferrable. At the moment there is not enough qualified Maori to fully staff wananga classes. I believe this is achievable if more Maori families today can adopt education as a traditional family value and inspire their children along the path of academia. |
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By: jgini@xtra.co.nz
12/05/2009
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3.33There is not a plot against Maori hine It is based onstandards required - nothing to do withMaori or nonMaori I have already given you an exmaple where Maori are advantaged in the system andfrom what i have seen Maori ways of doing things are advantaged notdisadvantaged
e.g. to be a teacher you dont' need to meet the same parameters as non Maori similarly for doctors I could go on for a longtime about the advantages but it is as you say the need tovalue education. Re thelaziness comment I made it was in reference to kids who were always in my home who I also taught They couldn't be bothered learning and their families backed this up. I am notmaking statements on idealism but on what I live with day to day
Sure there are achievers I have worked andstudied with those also and they get so much assistance and encouragementfrom the government (who people on here would hhave you believe have a plot to keep Maori down)
The assistance is everywhere to recognise Maori - whether its the allowing of visiting rights and conditionns to suit culture (so anelderly major heart surgery patient has young kids fighting under her bed at midnight,can'tuse thetoilet or shower because of the men walking in day andnight and can't say anything becasue she is called racist and hasto go homeearly so she can sleep = her life is valued less than Maori culture wants itseems = Hutt hospital)to teacherscollege in the Waikato where a friend who failed was promoted to a B when her friends advised hertribe Funding NZ for music is giveneasily if Maori but not otherwise so mydaughter is now puttingMaori words in her songs - it pays to. As for the tho0usands of scholarships - they can'tbe based on race so only Maori are advised of themetcetcetc |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
12/05/2009
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oooouch Rusty, I crossed paths with you on one of the other threads....actually... I think it may have been 2. I haven't gone back to read them but will address you now and go back after Iv'e replied.
I'm not going to apologise for my arrogance but you're language was patronising and if I remember correctly extremely judgemental. After reading your posts in the other threads, I thought I had miscalculated your history on this one.
My question to you is, why do you engage such a prejudicial approach against Maori when your ancestors went through colonisation too. You have strong connections with Parihaka whose historic events are nothing short of enormous atrocities, I'm not even going to touch on the King Country. I just don't get it, you're a different person in this thread.
Anyway, whatever the reason, if you're going to challenge then be prepared to be challenged.
I'm so pleased the Scottish people have received recognition. |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
12/05/2009
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Kia ora Rangimarie, I agree that our Wananga need to be raised to the same level as mainstream and I believe in the near future they will be.
I know absolutely nothing about education policies, my forte is in health but I suspect policies and frameworks would be parallel.
Maori who are involved more directly in education have played decisive roles in guiding the sector, and will continue to do so. I know iwi and Maori communities also ensure that educational strategies form part of their portfolios along side health and social services, and though slow, a great deal has been achieved and will be ongoing across all the sectors. |
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By: kymhewitson
12/05/2009
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Hi guys please excuse my irrelevant and course posts before i apologise for that..Just thought that this article would give a little more insight on how being bilingual in any language including Te reo would be benefincial for us and our kids
Thinking in two languages
In contrast to the early research on bilingualism discussed in Is bilingualism a problem? , more than 150 major research studies now broadly conclude that when children continue to develop their abilities in two or more languages throughout their primary school years, they gain a deeper understanding of language and how to use it effectively. In other words, research since the 1960s has consistently found that bilingualism is a cognitive, social, and educational advantage and that, consequently, bilingual students tend to outperform their monolingual peers in key cognitive tasks. (See the video clip Advantages of bilingualism .) This positive view of bilingualism was first established by Peal and Lambert in the 1960s (see below) and is still held by today’s researchers in bilingualism.
When bilingual students are in additive bilingual contexts where their bilingualism is valued and used, they show definite advantages over monolingual students in the following four cognitive or learning areas:
1.Cognitive flexibility: Bilingual people are more creative and flexible in their thinking.
2.Metalinguistic awareness: Bilingual people demonstrate greater awareness of language and how it works.
3.Communicative sensitivity: Bilingual people are more sensitive to nuances in communication.
4.Field independence: Bilingual people are often able to orient themselves and detect hidden patterns and figures more easily
to read more follow this link
http://leap.tki.org.nz/being_bilingual/bilingualis m_and_successful_learning/is_bilingualism_an_advan tage |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
13/05/2009
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Igini, thanks for your reply. I dont know what parametres youre talking about? Are you saying I could walk off the street today, into a school or hospital, present my whakapapa and teach a class or perform a surgery? That would imply that Maori are lazy and not capable of meeting the required standards. Or that Maori health and education doesnt carry as much weighting as mainstream. I have family who are teachers and doctors of medicine and they had to qualify through the same system as anyone else. If youre talking about the advantages of Maori scholarships, well thats another argument and one I wont have here.
Traditional education systems were designed to keep Maori down igini. The art of hegemony, death by design. I appreciate youve had experience working with Maori children. I reiterate, that doesnt make you a good teacher. You seem very hung up on the scholarships that Maori tertiary students receive. If you carry that attitude into your classroom, then your Maori students will indirectly suffer from your arrogance. A good teacher would put their resentment aside and get on with the job of providing their Maori children with the best educational opportunities at their disposal. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
13/05/2009
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kymhewitson, thats a nice turn about and I commend you for doing your research. Totally agree with your bilingualism article. Language and cultural indentity are intertwined. Immigrant communities are bringing many different languages into the country. Maori mainstream teaching resources are mostly written by Pakeha. I wonder if the Maori language should be considered threatened?
Ripeka, what do you think? |
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By: rustyramkam
13/05/2009
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| Hine, Ripekas grumpy today |
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By: ripekaarmstrong
13/05/2009
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Kia ora Hine, we're definitely still living in a society where the Primary, Intermediate and Colleges have minimal influence of Maori to say the least. If it remains at this level the language could be threatened. I think this is what Rangimarie was talking about, and though I believe it should be part of the school curriculum as optional, I dont think it should be made compulsory. I say this for one reason only in that Pakeha are not ready to accept it and forcing it on Pakeha kids is not a good option. There again perhaps it could be be made compulsory for Maori students and open it up for Pakeha should they so wish to learn.
There is the other option where we could have Maori only schools but imagine the frucus that would cause, so basically we're stuck in a place between a rock and a hard place. hey this is interesting, I have to go but will get back later ok and continue. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
13/05/2009
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Hi ripeka, I see your post!
Hi rusty, I think one of the posts below is an attempted apology from ripeka :-). I guess you disagree on other threads but I think at least in here we are all rowing our waka the same way lol!!!!!
Ive got some bizzo to do before end of work and then Ill come back and read your post ripeka! |
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| Rusty, I'm not grumpy and I guess I need to back off to allow positive dialogue to happen, only then can changes be made and division to close. We may even have to agree to disagree particularly around the Treaty but if its constructive thoughts and ideas we're always open. Think I might put a thread up but need to word it carefully so everyones mana remains intact. See you on the other threads. |
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