By: johnannettewalker
22/04/2008
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It's been discussed for a while now - plastic bags are at worst a danger to the environment and at best unnecessary for our shopping needs. Companies (such as Pak n' Save & Foodtown) are trying to minimise the number of plastic bags given out, and the government has even levied a tax on plastic bags to make them less appealing to the casual shopper. However in spite of all the bad press surrounding plastic bags, they are still available almost anywhere!
My question is, is New Zealand prepared to demand an alternative to plastic bags, such a recycable bags? Are you willing to pay a little more for a recycable bag to take your groceries home in? Are Kiwis willing to demand that the stores they go to, whether clothing, grocery or home & garden centres, provide recycable bags instead of plastic? |
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By: tamoko272
22/04/2008
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| I support recyclable bags..flax is plentiful so why not create jobs for our people by making jute bags..I think thts what you call flax fibre..plastics should be limited..use natural products instead.. |
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By: goughsclan@xtra.co.nz
23/04/2008
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| I support recyclable bags too but in saying that I have bought screeds of recycled bags for shopping but I usually forget them and end up with more plastic bags. |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
23/04/2008
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| I think it is time that the full service supermarkets, like Foodtown,Woolworths,Count down etc, started to offer ther customers a Pak n Save type pack your own service. It's not that difficult to have 3-4 empty cardboard cartons at home to take to the supermarket then pack your own. Pak n Save do have plastic bags but I think they're 10c each. I aslo think that on the express checkout lanes there should be heavy duty paper bags for use instead of plastic. If you have 12 items or less then I'm sure 1-2 paper bags would be better than 1-2 plastic. |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
23/04/2008
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| In addition; the Pak n Save I go to have paper bags at the bakery self service area and that's got to be a positive. |
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By: smuts666
24/04/2008
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Plastic bags should be banned.........more so than smacking your kids.
Note how silent the Greens are here! |
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By: robpatsy@xtra.co.nz
26/04/2008
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| i thought when i saw the title "rec, bags is there a demand" it was about prostitutes. |
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By: zpw1605
27/04/2008
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| you are taxed for these bags. you still pay for paper bags which are not supplied, all in the pricing of goods you buy. not the people's problem. go to the local tip and try and find plastic bags from 20 to 30 years ago. they have all broken down. there is no problem. just greenies and media. |
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By: golfers248
27/04/2008
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| Agree with you smut, in fact I was shocked when they put milk into plastic, not to mention all the plastic bags around the world now, should have stuck to bottles, paper bags and the old cloth nappy. |
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By: kiweaze
1/05/2008
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| Keep your bags in your boot, if you forget to take into supermarket, no problems, just ask them to load up your trolley and take out and repack yourself.... |
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By: kiweaze
1/05/2008
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| Which tip do you go to mate?. Plastic is not breaking down that fast and what about all the chemicals in them, this is leaching into the soil etc etc etc. Don't let assumptions and ignorance blind you to the truth, this abuse with plastic can not go on. If everyone trys just a little bit harder (by doing their bit) and this will put more pressure on the retailers to stop using plastic, then it will make a difference. But blissfully going along saying this is a 'greenie thing' then you are the one being deceived...stop burying your head in the sand and take a real look around you. Plastic has been seen as a cheap alternative to paper, which of course we know is not necessarily the answer as this is pulling down trees. But even though it may seem a never ending problem, to go back to using a 'reusable' bag will at least slow down the process. And I mean cotton or jute bags, and at the very least 'reusable' bag provided by shops and supermarkets. This is not a money making venture by them, but recognition of what needs to be done. |
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By: mccallum_jen
1/05/2008
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| Did they have plastic bags 30 years ago? |
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By: danforbes@xtra.co.nz
1/05/2008
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Certainly did but shopping bags were paper.
The reason you do not see 30 yo plastic in rubbish tips is because it is under 30 years of rubbish. |
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By: colevnz
2/05/2008
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| I think your bacis plastic shopping bag can now be recycled by some plastics recyclers. Plastic recycling is gathering momentum which can only be a good thing for the planet, its a shame there arent more dump stations around the country that do it instead of digging a hole to fill |
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By: danforbes@xtra.co.nz
2/05/2008
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| An even better solution is for society as a whole to get over the Marijuana issue. Before it was prohibited in the thirties someone found a way to make a biodegradable plastic from the hemp plant. It was great as it did not require a mass of chemicals to produce it. Henry Ford made a plastic car out of it which was strong and very light so did not use much petrol to run compared to a steal car of same weight. |
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By: zpw1605
7/05/2008
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| plastic shopping bags have been in oz for 30years. it's not the people's problem. i still pay for paper bags, that i don't get.we have tree plantations,we have banana tree fibre, that makes excellent bags. but no support from the govt.(i wonder why). hemp fibre, etc, etc. like most things, tell the lie long enough and the sucks believe it. |
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By: marc_dowman
17/05/2008
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New Zealanders are prepared to demand an alternative to the plastic bag, but when they do choose that alternative they must remember
to use it as opposed to leaving it in the boot of their car. Retailers can offer the alternative to the plastic bag, but can not force their customers to bring it back with them and thus the need for plastic bags. It is not just the retailers responsibility to provide the alternative, but also the consumers responsibility to educate themselves to use that alternative. |
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By: migs4red
21/05/2008
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| While we are on the subject of recyclable bags, how about all the plastic containers that are used for different products that cannot be recycled (not 1or2)? Even my sons pass comment about it. How's that for the next generation concerned for the future of the planet. And how about all the newspaper that is recycled, can it not be made into paperbags etc. There is a solution to this problem but it need everyone to cooperate. |
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By: brmurphy@xtra.co.nz
23/05/2008
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| It is amazing the amount of plastic bags on offer. If I can carry it to the checkout I can carry it out to myt car, surely! Put a mandatory 10c charge on all plastic bags taken from the supermarkets and all retailers, just like Pak N Save. Watch how plastic bag use will plummet overnight. |
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By: haua_tmn@xtra.co.nz
23/05/2008
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Nga mihi nui ki a koe tamoko272. Tautoko to korero e hoa.
May i also suggest going back to using paper bags. I remember when I was young everything was taken home in a brown paper bag or people just brought their own baskets and shoulder bags with them to town.
If there is a market for fashion then why not fashion supermarket bags. Companies can take advantage of free advertising for marketing their franchise and chain stores. This can be advantageous for everyone and part of meeting the requirements of triple bottom line - social, economic and environmental responsibilities back to the community. The IS0 14000 Series (I am sure) is now regulatory in Aotearoa under the RMA 1991, if not then it should be.
Kati. |
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By: xtr143830@xtra.co.nz
27/05/2008
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| NO, I STILL WANT PLASTIC BAGS, BUT I WANT WHAT THEY ARE GIVING TO CUSTOMERS IN EUROPE. THEY ARE MAKING PLASTIC BAGS OUT OF POTATO STARCH. THEY ARE BIODEGRADABLE. WE GROW ALOT OF POTATOES HERE IN NEW ZEALAND. WHY IS NEW ZEALAND ALWAYS 30YRS BEHIND THE REST OF THE WORLD. LOOK HOW LONG IT TOOK NEW ZEALAND TO GET THE RUBBISH TRUCKS THAT PICK UP THE WHEELIE BINS. THEY HAD TRUCKS THAT DID THE LIFTING OF BINS IN 1967 IN EUROPE. OTHERS MENTION THAT PACNSAVE CHARGE FOR PLASTIC BAGS. ARE WE NOT ALREADY PAYING FOR THEM IN THE PRICE OF THE GROCERIES?. HAVE PACNSAVE DROPPED THE PRICE OF THE GROCERIES. PACNSAVE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE CARTONS ANYWAY. I NOTICE THAT ALOT OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD PROBABLY DRIVE TO GET THEIR GROCERIES EVERY DAY, INSTEAD OF MAKING A BORING LIST AND SHOPPING ONCE A MONTH. I PROPOSE RATIONING FUEL, SO RICH HAVE TO SUFFER SAME AS POOR, AND THAT PLASTIC NAPPIES ARE BANNED IMMEDIATELY, AND YOGHURT, AND COKE, AND MILK PACKAGING, AND POLYSTYRENE TRAYS FOR MEAT, AND STRAWBERRIES IN PLASTIC ETC ARE BANNED. MEAT SHOULD BE WRAPPED IN PAPER AS IT USED TO BE IN THE BUTCHER SHOP. PEOPLE CAN START TAKING CHILLY BINS TO SUPERMARKET TO TAKE HOME MEAT AND PERISHABLES. I GO SHOPPING ABOUT ONCE EVERY 3 TO 6 WKS. LOOK AT HOW MANY TONNES OF PLASTIC ARE USED UNNECCESSARILLY TO WRAP PALLETS OF TOILET PAPER BEFORE THEY LEAVE DISTRIBUTION CENTRES, AND WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE BUBBLE WRAP FOR PARCELS AND POLYSTYRENE FOAM CHIPS FOR PACKING. WAKE UP NZ. EUROPE SOON WILL NOT ACCEPT BUYING GOODS FROM NEW ZEALAND IF WE DO NOT START SHOWING THAT WE WANT TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE KRAP. I NOTICED ON THE NEWS THE OTHER DAY THAT EU DOES NOT ACCEPT GENICALLY MODIFIED SOYA BEANS FOR ANIMAL FEED OR PEOPLE. BUT I SUPPOSE THIS IS POURING INTO NEW ZEALAND. THE GOVT I DOUBT AND EVEN THE GREEN PARTY CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT US. IF THE GREEN PARTY CARED SO MUCH ALOT MORE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW. BUT I SUPPOSE VOTES ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM. |
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By: brmurphy@xtra.co.nz
29/05/2008
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| Pak N Save do feature at or near the top of most grocery price surveys (ie the cheapest) so I imagine with their low frills stores, warehouse style racking and barn style stores they have quite possibly taken the cost of bags off their prices. I feel that having plastic bins is probably a step backward environmentally as the trucks have to come to a complete stop which wastes energy stop starting all the time. The bins at around 240 litres (4x the size of a standard rubbish bag) encourage the "filthy rich" and the more wasteful among us to dump more. Out of sight out of mind. As for rationing fuel, so someone who must drive 50km a day to an from work should be limited to buying the same as a pensioner who drives 4km a week to the supermarket? I think a more sensible idea would perhaps to be to base registrations on fuel economy. The more your vehicle uses the more you should pay. I do like the idea of less packaging and banning disposable nappies. |
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By: hentodd
31/05/2008
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| I'd like to see one of the big players just stop using bags all together. As kiwis we'd adapt pretty quickly and I think it's be a generator of business rather than detractor. We all have alternatives we can use whether it's reusable bags, boxes, etc but we don't because we it's easy not to, ie, we're lazy and forgetful when allowed to be. Who could possibly argue against this? Like smoking in bars it would quickly become a welcome thing of the past. |
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By: toejack@xtra.co.nz
8/06/2008
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| the ultimate truth is that we are a society of convenience. until someone comes up with a "cheaper" alternative with little or no loss to the convenience of plastics, we will all tell each other the horrible facts and perils of our wasteful society. this all goes way beyond one product of our consumption.we are ultimately a consumer society and will ultimately consume ourselves. one can only do for oneself that which we know to be right.we can all only hope that common sense will prevail. |
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By: nzoutfitters
8/06/2008
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| There are corn-starch ones available for retailers, costs about .05c per bag...Some of the big health shops use them, and they are fully decomposable, approx 6 months in landfill and the are gone. |
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