By: george-tracy@xtra.co.nz
25/10/2008
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saets..........
I do not care what anybody says and party name after a race of people is racist....They could never expect support from Non maoris..
Imagine if i started the Pakeha Party........
This country will and is above this style of politics. |
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By: up2ow
25/10/2008
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| Pakeha are the one's that brought in the Maori seats you clown!!! Do some research before you dribble your nonsense on the boards. LOSER!!! |
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By: lee.morris@xtra.co.nz
25/10/2008
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It is really sad that the extremists of any cultural group can attempt to devide a nation and I will make it clear,I am no judge or jury, but I was born in New Zealand and I love this country and all fellow Kiwi's that do believe as they sing our National Anthem "in the bonds of love we meet".Some say that a house or Nation divided will fall.I grew up in a time and a town where Maori and all the other people cultural heritage were called New Zealanders/Kiwi's and dam proud of it.Our families fought as brothers and sisters to stop people like Hilter dividing people by race.The United Nations was formed and laws against racism put into law.I thank God that my family and friends still consider themselves as New Zealanders/Kiwi's first,brothers and sisters who are proud to struggle and work towards maintaining a united nation called New Zealand and not the Nation divided that some would have.
We have been a nation that loved each other and there are so many beautiful mixed couples and children of mixed race it is absolutely wonderful.The world has become a great melting pot,imigration is not going to stop and the minority groups are not going to be able to stop people of mixed race who have been known to fall in love and who are are going to continue being attracted to each other falling in love and having children of mixed race.It is a dynamic changing world in which we live.
From the fruit a person family,nation, political party, or religion produces you will know what it is,it may look wonderful on the outside but on the inside it may be rotten to the core.So what ever you do please do not look at the outside but seek to know whats on the inside.Things that are good will in the main will bring goodfruits.Things bad inthe main will bring bad fruit.To generalise in regards to an entire group is not a correct or mature way to find the truth.Racism= a belief that a particular group is inherently superior to others.Discrimiation,prej udice,based on race. |
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By: kaituna2003
26/10/2008
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OOh my...george-tracy@xtra.co .nz..... another racist thread
It is you that is racist , making comments like your's will make it harder for you the racist , and other's like yourself to understand what New Zealand is all about.
and yes it was the pakeha that put the maori seats into parliment , do some research.......goosh |
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By: george-tracy@xtra.co.nz
26/10/2008
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ok that fine so why will you not let the pakeha take them away. or why can we not have a referendum. A typical labour repsonse of yours into say another rasist thread i have not made racsist remarks. But please tell me why maori are unwilling to be a part of New Zealand as equal with all other New Zealanders. Why in the 21st Century do they demand segragation for there race, Special fishing rights, special voting rights, exclusive only to maori.
Is this initself not racsist, but it is not a pakeha system it is Maori......... |
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By: up2ow
26/10/2008
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george:
If you have issues with the rights that Maori have, then you should take it up with your cuzzy Governor Grey. Thanks to him, we have a Treaty, which guarantees Maori the tino rangatiratanga over their lands and seas etc.
You're blaming the wrong people here! Maori didn't grant themselves treaty settlements, fishing rights etc, your Pakeha government did!!! If you've got a problem with that, then take it up with the people in charge and not Maori! You make it sound like there's a big jar of money that Maori can just help themselves to when they please...get it right! |
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By: chrisan555@xtra.co.nz
26/10/2008
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gorgetracy - Treaty of Waitangi
Article 2 of the English version guaranteed to Maori "the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Land and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same"
NOW what part of the above do you not understand??? |
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By: chrisan555@xtra.co.nz
26/10/2008
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gorgetracy - Treaty of Waitangi
Article 2 of the English version guaranteed to Maori "the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Land and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same"
NOW what part of the above do you not understand??? |
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By: tanza1234
26/10/2008
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| the maori want the best of both worlds. european tech... and their own laws. get over it there is no history in this country. |
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By: swinter77
27/10/2008
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| Yeah, that's really realistic chrisan, thanks for that. |
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By: up2ow
27/10/2008
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| tanza, that's a pretty idiotic thing to say. NZ has no history??? How old are you, like 5? |
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By: bellebyrds
27/10/2008
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Lee morris . What a lovely post and no one has responded to it except me.The Nz you describe was the NZ I experienced too. My school friends and playmates were in the main maori(pre urban ). I cry when I think back and compare to today.I was bullied at school but never by my maori friends. We went bush together fished together laughed together. Theres so much I could write about here but would give out who I am. I was never blind to predjudice it certainly existed but as a family we fought it where we met it.
For 30 years now activism has caused a divide. A divide that should never have happened. |
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By: tutaki@xtra.co.nz
29/10/2008
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Sorry I disagree
If your Great grand father had a farm and the Government took it away would you not fight to get it back.
If your great grandfather entered a contract (te tiriti)which was an exchange of rights and privileges would you now willing give up these rights and privileges
And finally remember Maori gave to europeans the privilege of living peacefully in Aotearoa as long as their asstts were protected these assetts include fishing, tapu sites the rivers and other food gathering areas amongst other things.
So there is special privilege in New Zealand and it is the privilege given by Maori to Pakeha (me). |
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By: okorore
29/10/2008
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I believe that any thing which is not strictly cultural
and secures an advantage for a particular race over another is separatist racist and divisive for a country
When the treaty was signed the intention was that maori taonga meant cultural things and government, laws etc,would be shared by all races under one sovereign
Back in 1840 there was no social welfare of any kind or any of the advantages of collective government we enjoy today
Woolly thinking in some cases and sharp lawyers and politicians with their own agendas have subverted the meaning of the treaty to the detriment of all of us
Maori political parties, education facilities,justice systems, ownership of public reserves etc etc is separatist
racism and detrimental to the country as a whole as it was in South Africa |
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By: bellebyrds
29/10/2008
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| Thats the spin Tutaki. Thats the spin.Racism being used as a tool again and your attitudes the result. Somehow I dont think id want to meet you in a dark alley at night because by race im one of the dreaded pakeha. Not the pakeha that stole your grandfathers farm of course but one of that awful conglomerate thing called a Race. |
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By: halenayukich
29/10/2008
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the maori party is not racist nor is it in place to make maoris the superior race in this country.
my belief is they represent the good maori can do and contribute to our society and they are all about whanaungatanga (relationship building) between maori and pakeha coz you cant deny that there is no wall there maybe not between your maori neighbour whos your mate but our nation as a whole. the maori party arent tryna rake in the cash or take over thatl never happen anyway but its good to see them making an effort to address the issues maoris have.. government dependancy, cycle of abuse, trying to correct there people in there ways and bring back the mana in our people...
i dont think whoever started this thread tracy?? is a racist you just dont know what the hell your talking about. |
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By: tobe917
31/10/2008
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Of course the Maori party is racist ...Turiana Turia
has said they will take over anyway possible
(we all know that means violence) shes an angry
racist evil little troublemaker who would do away with
whites soon as look at them and has an agenda. |
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By: tobe917
31/10/2008
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| well said George by the way |
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By: tobe917
31/10/2008
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what a load of rubbish Up2...we all know Maori scream
racism if they dont get what they want perhaps us
whites should try that trick.. |
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By: tobe917
31/10/2008
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its beyond absurd to me to have anyone say they
have sole rights for fishing ...some roads etc
do they want our air too? absolutely beyond ridiculous.
They were happy with the treaty conditions all those
years ago ...probably muskets and blankets was all
they wanted...now theyve got greedy and angry. Incidentally Maoris are the worst managers of money
ever ..whenever a Maori is in charge of trusts or
suchlike they commit fraud. They cant manage
their way out of a rubbish sack. |
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By: mobile_eng@xtra.co.nz
31/10/2008
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| a party or a team that is based on race is racist.this is a fact.the sooner this is stopped the better for all new zealand |
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By: gvtstkwi08
1/11/2008
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| MAORI PARTY is overrated,you will find over half of the Maori population is not going to vote for the maori party.Maybe a lot of young people will vote for them but i know for a fact that a lot of the old skool Maori will vote labour and quite a few will vote National. |
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By: nancypeters@xtra.co.nz
1/11/2008
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| it was not the maoris that were here first but the moriori who the moaries killed and ate, so the history books told me when I was at school, so the maori should have no claim on anything NZ as they came from hawaii, so stop this nonesence of the treaty and stop paying the maori all the money for the land, sea, lake beds, rivers and the air we breath, the maori are the ones causing all the racial undress, they were happy with the axe handles, blankets and muskets and how many times did one of them sign the treaty, just another cunning so and so |
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By: gordonmunce
2/11/2008
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| Its only a name get over it ... i dont think its racist at all and good on them |
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By: maka.taio@xtra.co.nz
3/11/2008
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THE MORIORI PEOPLE OF THE CHATHAM ISLANDS: THEIR TRADITIONS AND HISTORY.
By Alexander Shand, of Chatham Islands. 1895
According to Moriori tradition recited by an old chief and priest (Tohunga) of the Morioris, named Minarapa Tamahiwaki, in 1868, with their genealogic descent as handed down to them from their ancestors, showing that in the beginning the story of Rangi and Papa and their children were called Te Whanau-o-te-rangi (âthe Heaven-born,â or children of Heaven) as is shown by the way their names are introduced in many of their incantations and recitals.
The people were most particular to give the names of these gods in the same unvarying sequence, thus evidently implying that they followed in regular genealogic order as it is evident that the Moriori race is closely allied to, the Maori in appearance, customs, religious rites, and language, it may not be considered inappropriate under these circumstances to compare and notice the agreement, or divergence, of the genealogies of both people, more particularly with reference to the Heaven-born section be a matter of considerable interest to notice how closely the two races are in agreement in this, the Hawaiki part of their genealogy.
When it is taken into consideration that according to the Moriori genealogy over twenty-six the two generations have elapsed since their arrival in these islands from Hawaiki, as they say with very little doubt from New Zealand, in their last stage hither. By estimating a generation at twenty-five years, which owing to the earlier marriage of Maoris and Morioris as a race may probably be a fair approximation, it would give a period of 625 years residence in the Chatham Islands.
I didn't learn this from school! |
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