By: herondale@xtra.co.nz
17/09/2008
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| j.j the only marx helen and labour get from me are: 0000000000000 |
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By: mike_f596
17/09/2008
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actually sgraceeliazbeth..re the muldoon thing ...it just becos i found it funny .
its good tho that labor has put so many in training ..so their names dont appear on the unemployment list lol |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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you still havent answered my question vixey. what factors in the modern world didnt marx take into account ? also...xtr and a whole lot of others thinks a shift to the right will be good for the economy. how come the american economy is in a much worse state than ours then. 70,000 a month losing their jobs, etc etc etc. the republicans are more right than the nz national party. shouldnt thier "right wing" policies have averted the crisis they are going through and the possibility they are heading for catastrophe ?
i will keep posting this question until i get a satisfactory answer |
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By: sgraceeliazbeth
17/09/2008
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| now listen here DICKY OOP RUTHIE AND MULDOOM THOSE TO HAD the MONEY BAGS REMBER THE THINK BIG PROJECTS JUST VOTE HELEN . |
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By: zemanxgroup
17/09/2008
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SHMEADS, U SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT, THOUGH I AM NOT A LABOUR SUPPORTER, HELEN CLARKE AS BEEN THE BEST PRIME MINISTER THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE LAST FORTY ODD YEARS, AND I HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE TO VOTE SINCE 1959.
SHE IS STREETS AHEAD OF JOHN KEY HE WILL NEVER BE HONEST TO THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. HIS STORY ABOUT HIS MOTHER DID NOT EXPLAIN THAT UNLIKE BENEFICIARIES OF TODAY SHE DID NOT LOSE OR HAVE DEDUCTED ANY OF HER BENEFIT AND OF BEING THREATENED IF SHE BECAME REDUNDANT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT SHE WOULD TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO START RECEIVING THE BENEFIT AGAIN. HE AND HIS MOTHER CAN THANK A LABOUR GOVERNMENT FOR CREATING THAT SITUATION TODAY.
KEY AND HIDE ARE RUBBISH STIRRERS AND I MIGHT VOTE NZ FIRST PARTY AND A LABOUR CONSTITUENT AND TAKE MY VOTE AWAY FROM NATIONAL'S OR SHOULD I SAY KEY'S SCARE-MONGERING AND MUCK STIRRING TACTICS.
WHAT A LOT OF RUBBISH IT IS OBVIOUS THAT GLEN IS LYING BECAUSE HE IS BITTER THAT HE COULD NOT GET HIS DEMANDS TO BECOME AN HONORARY CONSULATE TO MONACO AND IF HE DID THEN HIDE AND KEY WOULD OF HAD ANOTHER REASON TO STIR RUBBISH FOR PETERS.
THAT IS ABOUT THE LIMITS OF BOTH THESE MEN RUBBISH SPEAKERS AND RUBBISH STIRRERS FROM THE GUTTER OR OVER ZEALOUS MONEY SPENDERS LIKE THE BUSINESS THAT KEY REPRESENTED THAT HAS PUT THE WORLD INTO A DEPRESSION |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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| ermm, JJ, we just had a long discussion about this... |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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zemanx.
Wall of text hits you for 10,000 damage.
You die. |
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By: dreamer263nz
17/09/2008
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xtr.... said "After all she has been the very best prime minister one could imagine:)"
Doesn't say alot for their imagination really, does it. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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| ahhh yes vixey, as i recall you mentioned information and then went on about some virtual rubbish and gamer stuff. well marx didnt have computers or a virtual world to play games online with, but without labour thered be no computers or software or a network to use them on. |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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| okkkkkk, with you so far. I responded to your request with an example. Just because you can't reconcile it into your framework, there's no need to dismiss it as "rubbish" |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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| look, whatever way you look at it, its a commodity. marx didnt know thered be honda civics either but they are both relevant to marxist philosophy |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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And considering we're discussing philosophies based around man made things, anything would be a product of labour.
Hello Mr Strawman |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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Yes, Honda Civics are, as they are made by factories and labour.
Completely different from the example I gave. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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| yes anything man made is a product of labour, or has some labour input. even your virtual game |
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By: larc@xtra.co.nz
17/09/2008
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| if anybody has proof of their ability and a sound financial position for a country to speak of then its helen, true, not all kiwis have had it their own way, but compared to other places in the world, even the poor are well off in this country, thats why thousands of people very year are trying to come here, the nz embassy in UK is swamped with applictions, and i am all for it, john key is just pandering to the dissatisfied public for votes and i personally am not sucked into it at all, we have a good thing going here in NZ at the moment, this is the place to be 9yo, yo, all) and i am not about to vote against helens govt. just for expediency, i am for the best PM we have ever had, i am going to give her an other chance. if john key came up with some good stuff, sure, i would consider it, but after the bagging of winston peters by a certain jekkyl and hyde, NO WAY, winston ha sdone alot for this country, and its about loyalty, he deserves a medal and so does she, she should be the first female knighthood, SIR HELEN CLARK IS WHAT SHE SHOULD BE, a knight for the people, SELAH |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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Your missing my point, the game is a product of labour, sure.
But the items I mentioned within, for the most part aren't.
Certainly uninterpretable via Marx. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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| then its a pastime, a hobby. it could be argued, creating something virtual is still useing your labouring power on a keyboard or mouse. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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| yeah larc, this is a great little country, ask anyone whos migrated here. theres a few who will moan but most love it. lower wages an all |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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I used that example (in game) of something that your avatar can create, but I credited that as something classifiable under the Marxist model.
But, again, I wasn't talking about those items, but the others I referred to previously. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
17/09/2008
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| look , does it really matter. capitalism cant exist without a willing and ready supply of labour. labour can exist without capitalism. |
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By: vixey_reid
17/09/2008
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well it mattered to you, you repeated your question in search of a reply ;]
Anyways, early start as usual for me, so take care! |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| ill tgake it up tomorrow. later vixey, peace |
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By: mike_f596
17/09/2008
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sgraceeliazbeth why ? .. because you say so ?
im a single voter , she would have to convince- ME, that she is a person of integrity in a greater measure then any other choice . as this is impossible for her to do based on her obvious lack of integrity and honesty and moral standing.
I will not be voting for her . |
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By: angela4funky@xtra.co.nz
17/09/2008
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| Queen Helen would have to be one of the most dishonest politicians of all time. She has turned this country into a police state, shown the already burgeoning criminal element & our future generations thats its ok to commit fraud, speed through small towns, bully small nations such as Fiji yet support an invasion by the US, that no matter how despicably you treat your citizens you will still be in line to flood NZ with your *** products, increase the number of public servants & spin doctors, change legislation to suit her own dishonest agenda, etc, etc. She may have started off with good intentions, but she now is drunk with power. Power sots just cant get enough, she is a pig at the public trough & her trotters are caked with filth!!! The last straw is this idiot Peters who is a populist at best & crook at worst. I will lose any small vestige of respect I have left for this hideous woman if she doesnt get rid of Winnie the poo!!! Its insulting to the people of NZ that she has even let it drag on this long. One doesnt have to be a rocket scientist to see the situation for what it is. What a pack of dolts these people are that have supported Winston, he is an embarrassment to NZ. Is it our isolation that prevents the voters from seeing this clearly?? He is a frigging joke!!! No-one actually takes the guy seriously & this last fiasco has hurt our credibility abroad enormously. He should have been in the theatre. |
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By: yellowzigzag123
18/09/2008
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helen clarke won,t sack winston befor the election,
if she gets back in to power then she will.if she dosen,t then who care.winston sago not based on the law or facts its based on who can cover up there invovlement the best.its all a lot of blaming each other on who said what where, i hate to say this to grown adullts but its a case of ones own guilt coming back at them and they think some one else is blaming them. |
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