By: vixey_reid
6/03/2009
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Well, the reason I ask is because he was receiving a 50k salary from parliamentary services and neither Winnie nor PS would comment on the nature of his duties.
A bit of a "mystery man" , you could say.
That we pay for. |
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By: inanga
7/03/2009
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Vixey - there are a lot of parliamentary services salaraies paid out - why pick on Winston Peters?
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By: vixey_reid
7/03/2009
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I'm not picking on Winston Peters himself.
But I'm intrigued that Mr Gear has no official status within the NZ1st Party, yet has been given an undefined parliamentary services role. (Undefined by Parliamentary Services and Winston Peters that is)
However he is/was very prominent in a lobbying capacity for the party. He was the person that was pressuring Te Ururoa Flavell to vote for Peters at the Privileges Committee inquiry. |
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By: smoothsailing@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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Vixey
Very interesting!! Can anyone tell me why Peter Mccardle has ditched the NZF Party and joined Tony Ryall as an adviser.May be didnt like the direction of the party over the last 9 years. To close to Labour he seems much happier with the Nats |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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vixey - If as you say Mr Gear was employed by Parliamentary Services then you would have to ask them the why's and wherefores - there were a number of secretaries and researches that were also employed by Parliamentary Services and allocated to the New Zealand First Party cacus so I guess you could ask about them as well - you might as well ask about the seven new media liason people John Key has in his offices since the election too while your at it - in for a penny in for a pound.
The New Zealand First Party can tell you nothing about Mr Gear as he has no official role inside the party and is a private citizen who I assume is free to associate with whomever he chooses.
Couple of questions for you - firstly how do you know that he was the person pressuring Te Ururoa Flavell? You witnessed this or is this a rumour passed about that suits your purposes to believe. Secondly as a private individual Mr Gear is allowed to express his political opinion just like you are - he may very well be a keen supporter but again he has no official role inside the New Zealand First Party so he is acting as a private citizen.
I am very prominent in my area in lobbying / promoting the New Zealand First Party - would you be thinking that there was something suspicious about my behaviour. I also have the contact details for some very strong lobbyist / promoters for the National Party in this area - would you be wanting to find out more about them? |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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smoothsailing - Peter McCardle left the New Zealand First Party in 1998 and returned to his former Party the National Party. Some could say he was bought with a position - some could say that he just couldn't shake off his former ideaology and so return to his true roots.
But it is an enormous stretch and a misrepresentation of the truth to suggest that this is a recent move and has anything to do with the coilition with the Labour Government. But I guess it suits your purpose and it would appear to be a trait of the National Party to misrepresent the facts to their own purpose - you fit it well. |
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By: vixey_reid
7/03/2009
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mardale:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/649162
Are you trying to say that Mr Gear is a random parliamentary staffer who has been "allocated" to serve NZ1st?
As to asking Parliamentary Services about him, that was why I asked in this thread. The subject seems verboten to them.
And Mardale, if I was directly funding you as a taxpayer in your role as a lobbyist/promoter of NZ1st then yes, I'd like some degree of transparency about it also, which is also my position on taxpayer funding for the research unit that went on that expensive fishing expedition to Melbourne in the election buildup last year.
"Couple of questions for you - firstly how do you know that he was the person pressuring Te Ururoa Flavell? You witnessed this or is this a rumour passed about that suits your purposes to believe. Secondly as a private individual Mr Gear is allowed to express his political opinion just like you are - he may very well be a keen supporter but again he has no official role inside the New Zealand First Party so he is acting as a private citizen."
Very defensive there,, almost sounded like you were channeling Winnie :) |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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vixey - Nope your not paying for me - nobody is. I didn't use the word 'random' but you acknowledged he was employed by Parliamentry services and I have no knowledge as to how 'random' his placment was. I have no reason to think it was any more random or planned than any of the secretaries or researches. I have answered your questions with regard to Mr Gear's position in reference to the New Zealand First Party - I have given you a straight answer that apparently doesn't fit the response you wanted - that's a shame for you but there is no more information here so you will have to try somewhere else. I have no idea what relevance the "expensive fishing trip to Melbourne" has to the New Zealand First Party?
And what I find defensive is that I answered your question directly and to the best of my ability yet when I ask you to substaniate claims you have made against a private citizen with an underlying suggestion that there was some underhanded dealing on behalf of the New Zealand First Party you avoid the question and attempt to divert by personalizing the question.
So I ask you the question again - do you have any first hand knowledge of what you suggest about Mr Gear or do you choose to believe the gossip of others when it suits your purpose? |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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I read the article you have choose to accept verbatim - to the best of my knowledge Mr Gear is not a New Zealand First Tauranga Staff Member - the New Zealand First Party has no paid staffers in Tauranga or anywhere else that I am aware of.
I guess that would suggest that the article was not completely factual would it not? |
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By: vixey_reid
7/03/2009
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mardale, I don't doubt you answered my original question to the best of your ability, I was responding to Inanga.
"I have no idea what relevance the "expensive fishing trip to Melbourne" has to the New Zealand First Party?"
That was a reference to the ill-fated fishing voyage a la Mike Williams and his taxpayer funded team. On the taxpayer dime.
"yet when I ask you to substaniate claims you have made against a private citizen with an underlying suggestion that there was some underhanded dealing on behalf of the New Zealand First Party you avoid the question and attempt to divert by personalizing the question."
Huh? what claims? and I replied to you by linking that article. Which you can feel free to dismiss if you wish.
Probably part of the vast media conspiracy, I'm sure.
And BTW he's not some random private citizen. We pay his salary. |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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vixey - I'm not sure if you are deliberately trying to be obtuse or not. You connected Mr Gear with the New Zealand First Party and I told you that apart from being employed by Parliamentary Services and being assigned to the New Zealand First cacus he has no official position within the party.
I believe that you are acknowledging that you have no first hand knowledge of any lobbying by Mr Gear and only have the suggestion by one article on "stuff nz". I have already pointed out a factual problem with that article. So that clears that point up. Why you didn't just say that in the first place instead of making some personal slight I am not sure but there you go.
Again you have mentioned 'media conspiracy' not I - never have actually but again if it fits into the profile you want then I guess you will run with it.
With regard to the New Zealand First party and his political leanings he is a private citizen - again you use the word random here not I.
I do not dispute the fact that if he is paid by the taxpayer then you have the right to ask the question and probably receive an answer but you are asking the wrong person. I have no input into parliamentary services nor does the New Zealand First Party.
The fishing trip you mentions has no relevance to the New Zealand First Party nor this thread.
Right so that is all cleared up and this topic is done with I imagine.
Have a nice day. |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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To New Zealand First supporters - sorry about that got a bit diverted. Hope you are all having a great day even if it is a bit muggy. I am off to a members only meeting in Orewa to bring them up to date on all the goings on inside the Party - alot to report as we are very busy out here.
All the best to you and will pop in again this evening to catch up. |
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By: vixey_reid
7/03/2009
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"he has no official position within the party."
Yes, that clears it up nicely. Emphasis on the word official.
"You connected Mr Gear with the New Zealand First Party and I told you that apart from being employed by Parliamentary Services and being assigned to the New Zealand First cacus he has no official position within the party."
Ok then, maybe you can clear this one up. If he is just a random parliamentary services guy that is later on assigned to work for NZ1st, ignoring the huge elements of coincidence involved, how long had he been in their employ before this reassignment? Oh wait,, I know this one,, you have no input into parliamentary.. yada yada.
Back to the article that you are perfectly entitled to summarily dismiss. Is the factual problem you refer to his being labelled as an official NZ1st staffer? Or the conversation taking place itself?
"Again you have mentioned 'media conspiracy' not I - never have actually but again if it fits into the profile you want then I guess you will run with it."
You're kidding right? That's been the Winston Peters meme that he has been "running with" the last year or more. But if you want to distance yourself from his stance on that, then more power to you, it's nice that you have your own views on that ;] |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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Even when you get a straight answer if it doesn't suit your purpose you go on and on. No pleasing some people - complain when you don't get an answer and then complain when you do. But no hidden agenda or bias right?
You appear confused. You are blogging with me - I repeated myself several times on this blog but will do so again just for you - I support the New Zealand First Party - I am not Winston Peters - I do not represent the Winston Peters Fan Club - I speak for myself - have never suggested anything else. Now I have to go out to a meeting so that will give you a little time to get your head around that.
And I certainly don't speak for Parliamentary Services - I don't know their inner workings - apparently this is hard for you to believe also but again there is nothing I can do to alter that truth.
I don't know what your looking for - although I am picking up a bias - but I can't help you prove something that is not true.
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By: vixey_reid
7/03/2009
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I'm happy enough with your answers you gave Mardale, you seem to be the one who wants to "go on and on"
You reinjected yourself into this discussion when I responded to Inanga.
But anyways, peace, have a nice meeting, and again I re-iterate, it's nice that you don't go along with the party line on all matters, that's a healthy thing ;] |
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By: inanga
7/03/2009
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| Blimey Vixey! I only asked why you are picking on Winston Peters. Didn't expect such a tirade. Must be the heat. Thanks Mardale - you do a great job for NZF. |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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| Hey Pam. Just in from my meeting. Excellent meeting, very positive. Few more volunteers for New Zealand First in this area which helps spread the load and the message. Have another meeting next week in another township so looking forward to that. Onward and upward. Hope you and yours are keeping well Pam. |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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Mardale
No I am not Bob wish I was I think he has more money than me. It is interesting though that there appear to be quite a few people starting to ask questions on here.From yours truly to Bob, Smooth Sailing, Vixey. Cant all be related. I am interested though that the big metal defence doors seem to go up when ever there is a question. Why doesnt Brendon answer a few questions on here. I still want to no about NZF position on the EFA. You have a great day Im sure you are hard working nd I can see that your heart is in the right place. Just dont get to up set when potential voters ask some questions it will always happen |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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robaman - now come on - you know you are not a potential voter of mine or my Parties - lets keep it real.
I don't see how answering to the best of my ability with the knowledge that I have becomes a big metal defence door? And mate - this is a public forum that I choose to participate in - this is not an official New Zealand First website so until that is up and running I don't imagine that you will get any official statement from this forum.
I can't make Brendon do anything - and you know that.
I don't find the questions a problem it's when I give the answer as truthfully as I can and yet it is not accepted - therefore suggesting that I am either trying to mislead or hide something that leads to frustration. But it is a good learning curve - I have just under three years to perfect the art of taking a breath, smiling and turning away - perhaps you can take comfort in knowing that you have helped shape a future New Zealand First MP :) |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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Mardale
Do me a favour keep smiling Im beginning to quite like you. Even if I dont agree with some of your answers. |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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Must admit it would be a boring world if we were all the same. And reading through the blogs there are some things we seem to agree on and obviously some things we do not.
Tell you what you think of me as a person not a political party and I'll think of you as a person and not a political party - that might help us communicate our views without trying to score points. Idea? |
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By: falcon298
7/03/2009
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blah blah blah
good evening nzfirst supporters.
i do believe this is a nzfirst supporters thread origionally and im begining to think its fast becoming a knockers free for all thread.
youre doing a wonderful job mardale but i think what you're saying are falling on deaf ears here.
i use to enjoy popping in here on the odd times to see the cheerful faces of the regular supporters of this thread but i noticed they visit less and less now and thats sad.
i hope the likes of norty,nana,quinnie,watchi ng,foxzee and just to name a few dont get put off by the goobly goob in here.
have anice evening all |
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By: foxzees
7/03/2009
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Hi falcon, no I'm not put off by the knockers,I find them amusing. Some have good points of view.
I am still a New Zealanf first supporter, and encourage mardale in the good work she is doing. Happy evenig to all. |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
7/03/2009
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Hi falcon298 and foxees - take note of your comments falcon298. I figure that much of what I do here is not to sway those knocking but to reinforce to those supporters reading the reality of the New Zealand First party. I answer them so that supporters can read it here and have it to answer the same questions they might encounter in their lives. Even today I had members who were able to answer questions of their friends due to knowing what the story really was direct from the horses mouth (so to speak)
Unfortunately until we get our nationwide web site up and going this is the only forum we have and I have made it my personal mission to keep it going until we can switch. You might be surprised by the folks that contact me via the emails I have posted here to keep up to date on the New Zealand First Party.
In reality until there is another election most people are going about their lives, trying to live with the difficult times we are in. So their participation in any political party is less important in a non-election year.
Had a great dinner this evening with a well know local national party supporter - relationships people - that is what it is all about - you never know where they will lead but rest assured I will not be switching parties - but they might. |
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By: mardale@xtra.co.nz
8/03/2009
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| Morning All - quiet day around the house today - lovely weather. Best wishes to all. |
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