By: drfoo@xtra.co.nz
5/07/2009
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| While we are on advertising, have you seen the price of beer? Went to stock up my beer fridge on Saturday. Might have to go back to home brew. |
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By: lucyshehan@ymail.com
5/07/2009
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| Alcohol is the Devils Ruin in excess...the ladies from the auxillary and I tend to have a bake meet once a month for special cakes and cookies....lasts longer and quite enjoyable |
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By: drfoo@xtra.co.nz
5/07/2009
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| Lucy Locket you naughty girl. Is Kitty Fisher in your auxillary? |
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By: bellebyrds
5/07/2009
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Its an almost out of body experience on here Lucy.lol
Polite on here is politics nothing pc about it. |
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By: rustyramkam
5/07/2009
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belle,
You know I'm a polite person, almost godlike really |
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By: bellebyrds
6/07/2009
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| Rusty the master of cyber ettiquette-not. |
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By: miriellegrl
6/07/2009
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| Advertising doesn't make everyone buy alcohol. Tui has the wittiest advertising campaign but I have never had one. Give people credit for making up their own minds, I always seen Briscoes ads but I've neve been there, I see ads for various foodstuffs and cleaning products but never bought them either. Ask my mum what's best, she better than any advertising guff. |
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By: tutaki@xtra.co.nz
6/07/2009
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Advertising does the opposite to giving people credit for making up their own minds. This is why advertising is made.
Alcohol advertising never shows the effects of drunk behaviour it mostly appeals to young people seen as having fun and creates a life time habit.
Would you accept the advertising of P or other harmful poisons.
Alcohol costs each of us thousands of dollars per annum so should not be encouraged. |
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By: its_muzz_again
6/07/2009
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As with tobacco. The tax take from booze and baccy is approximately 4 times the total direct AND indirect health costs incurred because of these "drugs". Since the mid 1950s, the excess tax from tobacco (tax take, less the total healthcare costs associated with its use) is greater than $32billion dollars. Yep, smokers have paid their way, AND a further $32billion dollars.
Figure it out. Why isn't advertising for these "drugs" banned? |
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By: bellebyrds
7/07/2009
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| Most are swayed by advertising.Im swayed into instant resistance but Ive always been the the odd ball out. |
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By: a1289jeza
7/07/2009
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The alcohol industry and associated industries (hospitality) employ more people than any other sector in NZ.
Alcoholism is terrible, but not everyone whom drinks is an alcoholic.
I love how we like to blame things on others instead of looking in the mirror.
Smoking is worse than alcohol- there are plenty of studies that state that alcohol in moderation is actually good for you reducing stress and heart factors. Moderation = two or less drinks less than two times a week. The issue is the use of alcohol. If I have one drink I will be fine, if I have one cigarette I have damaged my lungs.
Like any controlled drug, alcohol has its issues. But lets be honest, most people whom drink don't cause problems, and aren't alcoholics, a small minority do.
Cars kill more people every year, but we can't suggest stopping people driving. Marajuana has now been proven to cause three times as much social damage as smoking and yet people still push for its legalisation.
Alcohol is and always will be a part of our society, unlike smoking alcohol has been around since before man came out of caves ( we used to eat partially fermented fruit) and has been part of civilization since before the Jews left Egypt (evidence points at grape cultivation for wine making in the central Caspian area around 4500BC and beer brewing in Egypt back as far as 6000 BC).
Advertising?!? Alcohol advertising is banned before 8pm, isn't allowed to be associated in a popular or social enviroment, is not allowed to appeal to minors and can't be associated with role models. There are enough controls on alcohol advertising IMO. The issue is the number of parents out there looking to blame current issues on other things than themselves. NZ's drink problem started with the six o'clock swill and has never really got better. |
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By: a1289jeza
7/07/2009
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| I will also add the alcohol industry adds through export alone over 1.5 billion dollars to our economy, and that figure only includes direct export of alcohol consumerables (ie beer, wine, fortified, rtds and spirits) and ignores the huge amount of milk product we sell for alcohol conversion which would add another 2 billion based on Fonterra's account alone. |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
7/07/2009
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When will people stop associating alcohol with smoking.
Smoking: An activity which negativly impacts on others regardless of how its used.
Alcohol: An activity which only negativly impacts on others when grown adults make the choice to abuse it.
This is why smoking is banned and alcohol isn't. |
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By: onetwobeamup
7/07/2009
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
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Re:Alcohol Advertising (PREVIEW)
When will people stop associating alcohol with smoking.
Smoking: An activity which negativly impacts on others regardless of how its used.
Alcohol: An activity which only negativly impacts on others when grown adults make the choice to abuse it.
This is why smoking is banned and alcohol isn'
that has to be one of the most ignorant and narrow minded statements of the century, alcohol kills too many and costs the country hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars every year. Anyone trying to justify it by making statements like this must be nothing short of a brain addled alcoholic! |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
7/07/2009
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Alcohol abuse causes deaths, not alcohol. Lets ban cars because of idiots who speed aye? |
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By: cosmogorical
7/07/2009
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| phoenix you are really idiot. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| probably speeding because they been drinking alcohol. |
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By: tutaki@xtra.co.nz
12/07/2009
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The point is not to ban alcohol We know that creates problems,
Education not legislation is important.
The first step in any education process is to stop the misinformation.
So stop advertising the image that alcohol is good.
Step two Would require health warnings (similar to cigarettes)
Remember Alcohol advertising was illegal and was a trade off for BIG BUSINESS in the smoke free battle.
It was illogical to ban advertising smokes and allow alcohol advertising.
Absenteeism from work (be honest) often caused by over indulgence, is costing NZ business millions if not billions. |
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By: v123narroc
12/07/2009
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tutaki.
Agreed. If advertising did not work then why would the brewery advertise? As you say banning advertising on smoking has decreased smoking then why wouldn't advertising help to decrease drinking. Those who want to drink can still drink. The money the brewery spend on advertising can be taxed to offset money the government spends on health care from the effects of drinking. The drinkers spend no more but the Government get more tax take, Win/Win allround. |
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By: onetwobeamup
12/07/2009
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"The point is not to ban alcohol We know that creates problems"
compared the carnage alcohol causes now are these problems not better ones?????? |
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By: v123narroc
13/07/2009
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drfoo.
Don't were you are coming from Pak 'n' Save have booze 12 pack bottles for $11.99 now it might horse p for all I know as I don't drink but it a lot cheaper than bottled water. Figure that. |
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By: a1289jeza
13/07/2009
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| The primary reason breweries advertise isn't to get people to drink, its to ensure brand loyalty or to convince you to switch brands. |
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By: mike.hemsley@xtra.co.nz
13/07/2009
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I think you should rethink your opinion that or drinking 'issues' started with 6 o'clock closing their brother.
Never heard of Kororareka largest brothel in pacific in its day.Thats just one example.
However i kinda agree with you in one respect, we seem to have this inane perception that if we make laws it will stop any problems we have.
Of course we know this works ???? |
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By: a1289jeza
13/07/2009
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| The primary reason supermarkets advertise alcohol is to get you to buy it- their advertising is based on increased consumption- shoudl bann that if you want something to ban, but frankly that seems petty and stupid to me. |
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