By: vince_the_c
28/10/2008
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"The place was over run by Police and SIS with
cameras. However, when the service got underway with the
first Oro Metua (Pastor) reciting biblical passages against
the proposed Sunday (commercial) flights, I immediately sensed and experienced the presence of the Holy Spirit,
for there can be no other way of explaining that presence."
whkb1:
Are you for real? NO OTHER WAY of explaining it?
How about this: you simply had a good time at the demo. Was that so hard to explain? |
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By: c.hsuzanne
28/10/2008
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Yes i believe he exhisted and set a model of life for us to follow. As to the end of the world i beleive the end is a date only god knows not man. The end is not the finish but maybe a new begining one we can not even comprehend.
Many religions point to dates all different.
Now i ask you two things man created.
How would you cope if electricty went down everywhere and they couldnt fix it. Or in todays climate what will we do if money is worthless in the world. To many this is the end or is it? |
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By: pigpot2007
28/10/2008
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Hi Mike, You play with words very well and ignore facts even better.
You won't change even when you are not confronted with Him at your end.
What a joke this all is? Fairies, p1xies, and elves.
No offence intended, to one and all but when will this stuff end. |
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By: mike_f596
28/10/2008
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what facts does the poster speak of ?
the facts i speak of are experiential .you cannot take away from a person something that they have experienced , you cannot explain something that another has experienced.
you an only beleive their testimony of it ..or disbelieve it .
God is .. i know he is as i experience his presence dailey . |
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By: mike_f596
28/10/2008
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vince ..you speak harshly , is something rubbish merely because you state it is . on what authority do you make such a claim .it is a logical conclusion to come to when considering that no on e resists what is not there . reasoned conclusions are rubbish ? of course not .
and if you need "love " to be defined then perhaps for you it does not exist . lol ..of course i jest . it exists for us all to some degree or another ..a child cannot begin to define it and yet they know when they loved .. they know of something they cannot see nor taste nor hear nor touch nor smell.. and they know when it is absent .. no proof is ever asked to validate the existence of love . |
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By: aarronnp
28/10/2008
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lol so is jesus the english for the hebrew and greek words and jesus him self said it that he was the son doing his fathers will on earth and not the father for jehovah him self said at jesus baptisum here is my son, the beloved, the one I have approved.
there is many times jesus refer to his father not to him self or to himself as part of a god head or to another form of his personlity
I cant see how people can say that god jesus and the holy spirt are one.
many people tell me oh but its says it in the bible and refer to in the begaining the word was with god and the word was god but then some bibles state that the word was a god.
there is no trinity just god the father "Jehovah and the son Jesus who was sent to the earth to pay back the perfect life adam lost so all can have a chance at being resurrection to life not in heaven but on a paradise earth as Jehovah god intended right from the start those who choose bad over good will not go to a firey place to be burned alive for ever as god is a god of love and could do that not even to satan in the end all who follow satan will face final death with no chance for ever lasting life destoryed for all time.
Also it amazing how many people pray before a cross and choose to pray to the virgin mary for help? or to the son over the father? how many know that using a cross in worship is a form of idolatry and is rejected by god.
mary had other children after Jesus so didn't say a virgin all her life.
satan is misleading this world and those who blindly listen to men and not to the Truth of what the bible truly teaches then will pay the price for their lack of vision.
i'm sure there will be loads waiting to dump on me hell the jewish leaders did to paul and peter and many other faithful christians as they challange their beliefs so here goes |
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By: vince_the_c
28/10/2008
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"it is a logical conclusion to come to when considering that no on e resists what is not there "
Mike:
No, that's not true at all.
Once upon a time, convincing people that no, you CAN'T sail over the edge of the world was a problem: lots of people insisted that there were monsters waiting to eat you as you sailed over the edge.
Now, just because some people tried to prove that the world was round, that didn't make the monsters REAL. There never WERE any monsters in the first place and there still aren't any.
At the same time, some people believed in something called "spontaneous generation". They believed that rotting meat produced flies. Again, just because someone devised an experiment to show that flies do NOT come from rotting meat doesn't mean that spontaneous generation was ever real.
By the same token, just because people deny there is a God, that doesn't make God real. It just means that some people don't believe in Him.
What you are describing is not a reasoned conclusion at all. Since when does mere belief in something make it exist? If that was the case, whatever became of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? Lots of kids used to believe in it, and yet their belief didn't make it real.
=== BTW: I strongly suspect that to postulate the existence of God as a result of our belief or disbelief is a major heresy across the whole Christian world. Surely God doesn't depend on our belief, because then He would just be a figment of our imagination ===
"no proof is ever asked to validate the existence of love ."
Well, that's not exactly true either. There IS a lot of biological research going on, apparently, into the chemical basis of emotions. I'd rather believe that I love than that I merely react to enzymes or whatever but once again, my feelings don't render something real. |
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By: vince_the_c
29/10/2008
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"Svalerie, in answer to where does the rest of the population come from, we don't really know because it doesn't say. "
Senir:
Cool response. I always get impatient with people who get all "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" on that question, whereas the obvious answer is that Genesis merely talks about Adam.
We'll never know if God kept churning out humans or if Eve had zillions of other kids. Just because the Bible doesn't mention it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Bible doesn't mention what Jesus had for dinner on every *other* Supper. In fact, it doesn't even mention WHAT they had on that last Supper. So what?
If Mike's theory on original sin being passed through the blood of Adam, I guess Eve must have had more kids, but that's only if Mike's theory is to work. |
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By: vince_the_c
29/10/2008
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"Also it amazing how many people pray before a cross and choose to pray to the virgin mary for help? or to the son over the father? how many know that using a cross in worship is a form of idolatry and is rejected by god.
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AaronNP:
You completely misunderstand the whole concept.
People do not pray TO the Virgin Mary, they pray for her INTERCESSION before God, which is a different concept altogether.
Similarly, nobody prays TO a cross. The cross is just a symbol. |
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By: steve.daniels
29/10/2008
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| Short answer -NO! The question implies there was someone 2000 or so years ago with an English name who lived in the Middle East, an anachronism at best. He might as well have had a Maori name or a Samoan name for those who choose to share in this belief defy any rationality. For many the question of his being 'the messiah' is also unquestionable despite that at the time there were many others who also shared that claim by their followers. Except for the Roman conquests under Constantine, these other cults too would have brought forth fruits but alas were quickly swept away with the state sanctionining of 'christianity' and this new religion being adapted to suit the cultures of the Roman world and all her pagan practices. To seperate this 'jesus' out from the political movement which we now see as a faith has taken alot of social and historical engineering that is simply wasted on todays 'Christians'. |
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By: whkb1
29/10/2008
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vince_the_c: YES: One only needs to look at the first
Commandment given to Moses, read it clearly and see that
is idolotary. I have a plain wooden cross hanging on my
lounge wall. I do not pray to it, for it is simply
symbolic of my beliefs and a reminder to me.
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By: clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz
29/10/2008
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vince
I agree with you about the virgin Mary.
No where in scripture are we told to worship Mary.
Not so long ago we went to a Catholic funeral they sang Mary queen of Heaven we did not sing it ( no way).
We are suppose to worship the Lord Jesus Christ and him only.
The Lord is our Saviour not Mary
Mary cannot interceed for us. |
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By: clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz
29/10/2008
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Only one way of Salvation
Only one door to the fold.
Jesus alone with our sin's good atone.
And there's no other way
But through him.
God Bless all on this thread.
I can't believe it is still going?
Goes to show the Lord is still working
in the hearts and minds
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By: vince_the_c
29/10/2008
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"Mary cannot interceed for us."
Clematis:
Well, that's not what I was told, but that's all a matter of belief, innit? :) |
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By: whkb1
29/10/2008
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clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz: Lovely verse and praise worthy
to Our Lord Jesus, and all: Kei te pai marire koe ki te
ingoa a Ihu Karaiti. (Bless you in Jesus name.)
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By: clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz
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vince.
No incorrect it's not a matter of ones belief.
Or what we have been told.
Its what the word of God has to say.
Mary cannot interceed for us..it's only the Catholics that teach this.
The Bible say's ...one Timothy 2 verse 5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men that man is Christ Jesus. |
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By: whkb1
29/10/2008
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clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz: YES: Brother, you are Biblically
correct: Catholic (Roman) is based upon canon law 1st and
Biblical law 2nd. This all came about by the farce of the
Council of Nicaea, organised and over seen by the Roman
Emperor Constantine in 325AD. There is no truth in Papal
infallibility. (Ex RC.) May the Lord bless you.
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By: clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz
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whkbi.
May the Lord Bless you too..and thankyou.
I know this is what really worry's me.
We can NOT rely on any Church for salvation there is only one way of SALVATION.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beleiveth on him should not perish but have everlasting life....John 3 verse 16
I believe our time here is FAST running OUT.
Look at the World's Finacial crisis??
We are seeing the world in a terrible state like we have never seen before..even Winston Peters acknowledged that the other night.
Shouldn't all this make us sit up and have a rethink?? |
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By: vince_the_c
29/10/2008
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"We are seeing the world in a terrible state like we have never seen before..even Winston Peters acknowledged that the other night.
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Clematis:
Well, WHAT CAN I SAY... If it was *WINSTON PETERS* that said it, then it MUST be right, eh? Or maybe he didn't say it at all. Or maybe it was his assistant that said it. Or yes, well he DID say it, but he was talking about ANOTHER world, you see.
Good old Winnie! How could one NOT take him seriously, eh? :D
"We can NOT rely on any Church for salvation there is only one way of SALVATION.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever beleiveth on him should not perish but have everlasting life....John 3 verse 16"
Anyway... I'm really not sure about where you are going with this. I mean, you can quote scripture until you are blue in the face, but you never seem to quote the one that goes "you are Peter and upon this rock..." blah blah blah (Matt 16:18 in case you'd forgotten).
See, the b@gger about THAT bit of scripture is that it makes it very, very clear that yes, Salvation DOES come from a church. For you see, it says that the gates of Hell will not withstand against A CHURCH. No mention of individuals there at all, is there? LOL! Even worse there's an implication that the Pope may be indirectly appointed by Jesus himself, and that's pretty hard to take for some.
Furthermore, I suspect that in telling yourselves that there is no need for a church & that you can save yourselves, you are indulging in pride, which is a mortal sin.
Or maybe not, who knows. Glad I don't have to take this stuff seriously. |
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By: clematisgrove@xtra.co.nz
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vince...
Yes Winston Peters...Can we trust him???
he's dosn't seem to be that truthful.
No we can't save ourselves Vince...its only the Lord that can save us. |
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By: pigpot2007
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I for one have no need for salvation as I am not in trouble with anyone or anything. I bear no burden of Adam as he did not exist and neither do I have a relationship with a "God" type thing.
I, from my wonderful point of view, shall await The Designer showing his, her or it's face. Or maybe not and will await whatvever end befalls me.
Until then, I shall bear no arrogant assumption that I hold The Truth and believe in a book that was written by the hand of Man for the benefit of a few men. |
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By: vince_the_c
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"vince...
Yes Winston Peters...Can we trust him???
he's dosn't seem to be that truthful.
No we can't save ourselves Vince...its only the Lord that can save us."
Clematis:
Re: Winston.
Sorry, I completely misunderstood your post then.
Re: Salvation
From what I remember, you have to take an active part in your church (which I'm taking to mean "religious community") so in that sense, you have to work out your own relationship with God, but look at your New Testament again: the NT doesn't have much time for individuals. It's all about *Churches* I have no idea why, but that's the way it IS, IIRC. |
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By: mike_f596
29/10/2008
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vince re _ "Mary cannot interceed for us."
Clematis:
Well, that's not what I was told, but that's all a matter of belief, innit? :).
not when that belief is based on the bible - if you can show me a single verse in the bible where it states that mary can intercede for anyone ,that would be handy ..
but this remains unchanged
IT is the lord Jesus Christ who is "the way the truth and the life , no one comes to the father but by ME" -that is the word of God .
This Good news requires something that needs to be done in order to beleive it and enter into the life that is freely offered .. that one thing is repentance.
turn away from your own thoughts your own imaginations and obey the good news of the Lord Jesus . there is no other way in which any can be saved .This wonderful love is laid out as the most amazing gift .. those that reject it do with the result that they continue in the way they are already going .. and how much greater that sorrow when they stand and see the very one who offered gave up all glory and offered his life on their behalf .... and know they have rejected this love . |
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By: mike_f596
29/10/2008
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steve.daniels: Jesus .. is the english pronunciation of the hebrew (middle eastern ) name "Yehoshua" in aramaic "yeshua "it means "salvation' or savior.
so .. english name ??
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By: mike_f596
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steve.daniels:
in mathematics there is the law of compound probability. Every independent fact of Bible prophecy doubles the odds against an individual filling all the prophecies. There are over 300 Messianic Prophecies, about the True Messiah, Yeshua. The odds against anyone fulfilling them are what most mathematicians would consider infinite.
The probability against anyone fulfilling them is 10 to the 39th power. That is 10 with 39 zeroes. No one can pronounce such a number. Yet the Messiah has come and accomplished the impossible by fulfilling these prophecies. Only the One True GOd, could overcome such odds against the fulfillment of prophecies regarding the True Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus. Only the One True God could accomplish this.
and has accomplished this . |
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