By: mike_f596
15/09/2008
7:54 pm Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
i cannot vouch for another person .. i am happy some days and sad other days , but the joy that lives within me is endless and never ever goes away , this is a difference . also (and it is testimony again.. i experienced the reality of the love of God , I live in a peace that is beyond comprehension , when Jesus displayed his love and power to me i shook fro head to toe and felt something like oil and electricity all over my ,i cannot describe this ,not can i describe the joy that somedays is so inexpressible that i wake in the night excited and laughing .. Jesus said if you beleive in him he will give you life ...but he will give you live ABUNDANTLY . the point is .. its true to those who receive it and those that recive this gift of life know it . I am born again of the spirit of God ..this is not something i can do .. God did it .. no one can do it ..only god can do that ,it is not a thing of flesh . religion will not bring this ..
there is another difference .. i was into many things in my past , but only the name of JESUS activated and goaded my conscience.. no other religion or teaching ever did this .
this JESUS this word of god made flesh . this manifestation of the invisible God, this Emmanuel (means GOD WITH US). caused me to feel guilt ..and realized in me my need to be freed from the penalty that guilt sentenced me to ..death .
no other teaching ,philosophy or religion ever did that .
nor did any other love me so much to have died in my place and so set me free . |
|
By: china_couple
15/09/2008
8:05 pm Yahoo! Profile:
china_couple Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
The human mind is an amazing thing Mike, and everything you describe is evident in many cultures and belief systems across the world.
You say you tried many things in your past? But I am willing to bet that you grew up in a Christian culture, and as such were surrounded your whole life by both concrete and subtle, obvious and hidden messages about Christianity. It is only to be expected that these would reverberate with you in the end. |
|
By: mike_f596
15/09/2008
8:21 pm Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
you asked what is different ,i testified of my own experience what is different , you choose not to beleive me but to explain it away into your own fleshy limited understanding , the mind cannot comprehend the things of the spirit , so this reasoning is flawed. an outward action cannot change the heart of a person . If you were to be honest and acknowledge sin ( tho pride itself prevents many from doing so )then you will find no matter how hard you try you will not be able to be free from the mastery of sin in your life .you will find that you are imprisoned to it.it is again a circular argument ,for if you say you have no sin the you are a liar and the truth is not in you . so we remain status quo . i present this good news , you choose to disbelieve it and so walk in disobedience to God ,thereby fulfilling the the scriptures written and reinforcing the truth of it to me . I cannot be moved unto death for to live is Christ in me the hope of glory and to die is gain for in death i take hold of the victory bought for me and step into life in Christ Jesus forever.
what im not sure about is why you choose to attempt to explain away something that is simply good news seeing that your explanations are founded on the thoughts of your own imagination and cannot effect this message in any form except to drive another away from this good news .but then this would display an action of callous selfishness which would uncover the true state of your heart and your need for this same love gifted salvation that you so earnestly reject for reasons you cannot honestly say |
|
By: china_couple
15/09/2008
8:31 pm Yahoo! Profile:
china_couple Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
It's interesting that you are so keen to share you beliefs, and yet when I share mine I am being callously selfish.
If you are not attempting to change what we believe, then why keep telling us what you do?
What I hope is that I can live a fulfilling, rewarding and giving life without an imagined belief of rewards to come. I want to be a nice person because it is good to be so. Not because God told me to or I will be rewarded for it.
I want to feel good about myself and at peace because my actions have caused me to feel and be so.
This, in my opinion, is transcendence. And I almost certainly believe that it was what Jesus was talking about. |
|
By: mike_f596
15/09/2008
8:47 pm Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
actualy , i presented this good news .. you told me it was incorrect and of the mind .. you speak against it ,, i questioned why you do that .Also im a human being so i know you are not being truthful , you are aware of sin in your life and you deny it to be so ..proving that you have sin i your life ,, that circular argument again .
i present this good news .. if you beleive in Jesus he will cleanse you from all unrighteousness (unrightousness means unrigthness in relation to what God has declared to be right <not what i think is right )If you are so convinced that God is wrong and you are right then go your way there is no need for you to disprove God .
God spoke his word and his word became flesh ,if you choose to disobey his word the you walk in disobedience to God for he said .".beleive". i cannot change what you beleive nor am i trying , i am just presenting this to you . this is good news , that God loves you so much he spoke to save you and his word became flesh (Jesus ) and died for you ,so displaying how much he loves you and has risen again so that in him you too can have eternal life . this is the wisdom of GOd by which he has made foolish the wisdom of men who cannot comprehend the wisdom of GOD . as its written he has made these things known to the foolish but hidden them from the wise .
except you become a a child you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven , but this gift remains to all who would beleive . this love is for you . |
|
By: nyucky121
15/09/2008
8:50 pm Yahoo! Profile:
nyucky121 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| i dont believe so does that mean im going to hell |
|
By: mike_f596
15/09/2008
8:56 pm Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
nyucky121 judge yourself .. one does not die eternally ,being seperated from god who is life and all things good which leaves and existence separated from the source of life in a place of all things horrifically bad because one does not beleive ....
we are already in that state with that as our end ... one just chooses through hard hearted pride to disbelieve that there is a way out made for us by god who loved us so much that he died on our behalf ,that whoever believes in what he has done and believes that he can save us from that death ,will not perish but will have everlasting life ...its just GOOD NEWS |
|
By: china_couple
15/09/2008
8:56 pm Yahoo! Profile:
china_couple Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
Yes, well the thing is Mike that although you may not have said it, the case remains that if you are right, I am wrong.
So although I may have articulated my disbelief in your belief, you equally did so in mine.
Funnily enough, the only time I was overly concerned about sin in my life was during the 20 or so years I spent born and raised in a very baptist family and as a believer myself. Since I saw the light so to speak, I have been free from guilt completely.! |
|
By: nyucky121
15/09/2008
8:58 pm Yahoo! Profile:
nyucky121 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| well i'll send you a postcard then |
|
By: mike_f596
15/09/2008
9:00 pm Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| then you will know that this is called "being given over to a reprobate mind your conscience being seared ",so that come the day that you desire to call out for salvation you would not be able to do so . however if the remembrance given of this possibility causes within you a sense of discomfort then there is hope. in humility . |
|
By: china_couple
15/09/2008
9:15 pm Yahoo! Profile:
china_couple Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
As much as you want us to believe your testimony, believe mine when I say no such condition exists for me as you describe.
A few years back I was bitten here in China by a sea snake. All I knew at the time was that they are apparently far more venomous than land snakes.
I was literaly hundreds of miles from any decent medical care, and honestly felt that there was a good chance I was going to die.
At no point during this time was I even tempted to 'change my mind' about Jesus. In fact for me it was final conclusive proof that I truly don't believe.
In fact the only true fear and regret that faced me was in regards to my children-that they would not know me.
If at the end of the day it happens that you are right. And all you preach is true. And all my good works will count for nothing. And God is truly a jealous God and will not accept my argument that he didn't make the situation clear enough.
Then I will raise my middle finger and say "screw you" |
|
By: nyucky121
15/09/2008
9:19 pm Yahoo! Profile:
nyucky121 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| go china |
|
By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
15/09/2008
9:39 pm Yahoo! Profile:
adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| i'm inclined already to raise that middle finger, as no god worth his frankincense would allow the suffering in the world. |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
16/09/2008
3:03 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| have a great day mike!! |
|
By: yellowzigzag123
16/09/2008
4:17 am Yahoo! Profile:
yellowzigzag123 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| god lived as a human to he survive to about 300 years . god created the wisdom of words, then jesus was born, these wise people were born just like anyone els is, men centries ago live to they were two and three hundred years old women were having babies at the age of 120 years. jesus was born with the ability to undersand the wisdom god portrade around other humans,they see so much sadness and ill health they use there brains to find away to inprove and, help others one doesn,t help other for feeling sorry for them one helfs other by giving them strenght and guidance to carry on,when people past condemned god, word started like we love god trust in gods word, these word over centries, muliplied, and other keeped on improveing on it we all have choses, we follow those who we know are right,like an idol wrong direction. never have an idol in ones home, or one becomes like it, |
|
By: yellowzigzag123
16/09/2008
4:53 am Yahoo! Profile:
yellowzigzag123 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
when jesus was cruified on the cross,he knew the answer, of future advancement in understand but as humans mind back then were primintive thinking, when jesus left the openness of country life he went in around those with tension an anger around them to try and undersand, why these ones, when he took and healed those who followed him , he found when he healed one that the negativeness went on others in differant earas,this he relized, there was more to gods wisdom plan then just healing one group.
the bible was written by very wise people who knew there is more to be understood by humans to make gods plan work .there was more to life then just believing and trusting god.so the bible was written , and then there would be tTHE WISDOM OF WORDS.FROM THE BIBLE.it all comes down our family tree we had to live by it then ten commandments on all levels, our mistakes from the past is a correction in the future spirially and verbally, |
|
By: ruach2012
16/09/2008
5:10 am Yahoo! Profile:
ruach2012 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
Suffering is a matter of perception. For a long time I believed that I suffered at the hands of my abusers when I was a preschooler. As I face my fears, emotions and pain other senses open up. I am learning to be grateful.
The Creator has developed a universe where Birth, Life & Death are part of the package for all aspects of creation whether it be Stars, People, Plants or Bacteria.
Stick up the middle finger if you want to A-V, he created that too ;-) |
|
By: mike_f596
16/09/2008
5:19 am Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
china_couple. exactly . even in the face of death ,one who is given over to a reprobate mind whose conscience is seared . IN itself further evidence to me of the truth of the bible.
as it is written that this is what happens to people who set their hearts steadfastly against the love that God has displayed in his word ,the Lord JESUS.
however i don't fully beleive you are speaking truthfully but angrily . your anger itself portrays the very activation of conscience of which i spoke earlier .which means there is hope in humility for you .
belief after all is the first step of obedience .. and you just simply do not want to obey .(i speak you as one who knows a little and rejects much .the message to you is simply .. turn away from your own thoughts and beleive and you will be saved . |
|
By: mike_f596
16/09/2008
5:25 am Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| actualy it is the gods of this world , the false gods of gold and silver metal and wood (and these days electronics lol) Obedience to God brings life health peace .disobedience to God brings with it the consequence of that disobedience . mans greed , mans stubbornness to forgive ,mans pride , mans lust of power , these things are behind all suffering in the world . in short , sin causing suffering and the spirit of this world works in the hearts of mankind to bring about there destruction and they dance to the piper to that end ,mocking all things good and all things godly .. again thus fulfilling the written word of God and again ( that circular argument lol) verifying the validity of the bible to me . |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
16/09/2008
5:26 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
mike f596;
good morning mike,
how are you this morning!
in response to your posting on the 'artiste' thread,
myself that is, like you I do exist, but not just to purposely hi jack a thread or interrupt LOL!!, as for Noozilander, he would most likely describe it as "divine
intervention", that is only an assumption though.....
but dont you see the humour in his "sponge bob" chorus on the aforementioned thread......all good though mike f596, a bit of humour does help at times... :) |
|
By: yellowzigzag123
16/09/2008
5:31 am Yahoo! Profile:
yellowzigzag123 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| centries and centries ago in adam and eve day, people had to sleep with each other so the population would grow. this primintive way of life is still happening, wise one know that one wait for right eternal partner,back when the perfect world happened when god lived,, people only had sex when god said so, this way the right ones went ahead first to bring back more understanding. of wisdom so other families could improve and grow.and undestand the true path of human survival. they never had deformed childen as the right gens were, only used. over the centries all these words of wisdom got lost down the family tree.as humans distorted, the words from what there minds unerstood it to be,men were fully satisfied, then they went out to help others understand. women stayed at shoulder lenght of men, mainly there own husbands, men with gods help worked the wisdom of words out. then men passed it to women and then women to their childen,..it was like a big zigsaw puzzle all we have to do is put the puzzle of words back the right way, humpty dumpty fell of the wall this was proven to bethe right way for human survival. with out wars anger, and tension,going on others to disrupt their thought patterns,then other makes mistake against other,people were so ingrosed in inproving on learning more, and understanding what their subconsous minds knew they didn,t have time to drink alcohol smoke or drugs,they were to busy getting rewarded from god on there progress as to being wise, |
|
By: mike_f596
16/09/2008
5:32 am Yahoo! Profile:
mike_f596 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
yellow zigzag ,id love to reply but im unsure you would understand a word i say ..
. ZIGZAG - go read the book "the heavenly man "
as he is a Chinese beleiver in Jesus that was imprisoned in the late 80's for being christian. he went without food and water in a fast for 70 days .. Impossible i know but documented by the communist maximum security prison in Beijing . he later walked out of the prison . they had broken his legs , but he stood up in the power of god and walked out past all the guards to freedom .. he hopped on a plane and flew to Germany on a passport that looked nothing like him . also documented by the German border patrol. its quite an amazing testimony . |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
16/09/2008
6:21 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| what sound advice mike!????? |
|
By: yellowzigzag123
16/09/2008
6:38 am Yahoo! Profile:
yellowzigzag123 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| no god didn,t created then noahs ark day,,it happened like know the dark black was coming in from the universe god could see it was going to happen, and as back then their wasn,t many humans to help prevent it, he spread the word to build boats, so at least so at leat some would survive ,with all the ords that got spoken and distorted, above our heads, it blocked gods view,. to use his power to push the black away,as ats what happening now in this age,and in our time,but there enough wise ones that is preventing noah are from the world getting its full force, ever thing that happening to us we are doing it to our selves,, |
|
By: yellowzigzag123
16/09/2008
6:40 am Yahoo! Profile:
yellowzigzag123 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
|
| no god didn,t created then noahs ark day,,it happened like know the dark black was coming in from the universe god could see it was going to happen, and as back then their wasn,t many humans to help prevent it, he spread the word to build boats, so at least so at leat some would survive ,with all the ords that got spoken and distorted, above our heads, it blocked gods view,. to use his power to push the black away,as ats what happening now in this age,and in our time,but there enough wise ones that is preventing noah are from the world getting its full force, ever thing that happening to us we are doing it to our selves,, because we stopped learning and improveing on the wisdom of words.from our families first.then god, |
|
