By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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what a bunch of moaners. there are far less beneficiaries than there used to be, so what are you moaning about. people don't want to go to work and income, its degrading and the clients there look embarrassed and anxious.
the numbers below are the stats for the waikato area:
Number of working aged Unemployment Benefit recipients (aged 18–64 years) 2003: 7,973 2008: 1,276
..and before you start getting excited, yes invalid and sickness benefits have gone up, but only marginally. there are around 6000 less people on benefits in the waikato than there were 5 years ago.
the unemployment benefit is a short term band-aid if you find yourself laid off. its actually so difficult to stay on a benefit and avoid work, that you might as well just go to work for all the effort you'd have to put in. |
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By: j.holmwood@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| Is this going to be part of your documentary as well angela? |
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By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| hey holmes, are you ond drugs? |
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By: celestial659
26/08/2008
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i whinge about those who i know are scamming the benefits.
in saying that, there are those winz workers who also defraud their employer and more than one, it's too easy that's why. |
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By: j.holmwood@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| nope no drugs |
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By: j.holmwood@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| adam-victoria oops, I miss read your name, I do apologise, I thought it was angela something or other, this this might be her new documentary |
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By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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in reply to that, i'd say what about all the other while-collar fleecers out there, why far outweigh benefit fraud in number and amount stolen.
dodgy finance companies, chrisco and car salesmen are all far more worthy of our attention.
the decrease in numbers of benefits also makes it more difficult to defraud the system, and any inconsistencies stand out more easily - its harder to hide in the crowd. |
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By: j.holmwood@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| I had just been reading a couple of her threads, I jumped the gun |
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By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| sweet as, holmie, i get mistaken for all sorts of people |
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By: j.holmwood@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| being mistaken for angela, was a bit of a booboo, at least it wasnt clarise or sasha |
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By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| yes, i'd have to learn all about female anatomy... |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
26/08/2008
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| its always about money too. thats all thats important now. people have become slaves to the economy. |
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By: celestial659
26/08/2008
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| well adam, are you on a benefit? i haven't heard anyone whinge about benefits for a long time so not sure where you are going with this? there are plenty who shouldn't be on benefits, and i noticed when the unemployment figures dropped, the stats for sickness and invalid did go up, but isn't it funny how many you see in court up for crime are on a sickness/invalid's/unempl oyment benefit, too sick to work but not too sick to do crime. |
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By: felicitypaige
26/08/2008
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| have to agree.. ive never been on a benefit but the rich are just as guilty of schamming and being dodgy as beneficeries.. ie at uni i had 4 main friends all of their parents filthy rich but somehow managed to dodge their incomes so their children got allowances the whole time instead of loans.... my parents didn't they were middle income and i had to get a loan .. my friends whos parents scammed them allowances also financially assissted them through uni also... now that we have started working i hear those same mates ttrying to complain about their tax being used on benificeries.... yet they were more than happy to unrightfully take allowances all the years we studied together.... this is just an example... but you get where im coming from.... |
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By: celestial659
26/08/2008
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| it must be our nature that if we can get away with something we will do it, i've noticed that about a lot of things that have loopholes, look at tab accounts etc! depends how honestly you live your life, but it get's too tempting for some and i still say it's too easy for many to be getting more than their share of something. acc is another easy way for many also. |
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26/08/2008
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By: joshandpaige
26/08/2008
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| oh well there is never going to be no-one on a benefit and the numbers seem to be going down so thats a plus! like i still say though there are just as many rich ppl scamming money from the poor as vice versa though..... i also know of a very wealthy man who lives off a dodged income and also recieves a benifit at the same time... now thats bad..no one would ever think it to look at him he's business man to the max but yes he is also on a benifit..... lets hope the numbers continue to keep dropping :) |
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By: larc@xtra.co.nz
26/08/2008
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| most people on a benefit actually need it, otherwise they wouldnt survive in todays dog eat dog world and there will always be a few fleas on the dog, who cares , it only money and no ones taking it with them when they die, a gold lined coffin isnt going to do anyone any good, having a social welfare system is about looking after our brothers and sisters, not about being jealous about them , how could anyone possibly be jealous of someone so poor they have to be on a benefit?. absolutely shows no compassion, no class ,no respect for human beings or mana of any sort whatsoever, absolutely disgusting people.by the way , who pays for most of the dpb? the taxpayer? no, sorry, think again , its the guys who have been named for alimony who pay. how many men in this country do you think are paying child support? how do you think they feel giving half their pay (in some cases) to ird to pay for the dpb, so stop whinging, its the kiwi males who made the girls pregnant who pay. natch. |
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By: celestial659
26/08/2008
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| larc, the blame is on both the male and female who create a child, i have experience with benefits yet very short term due to the determination of getting work and being preparing to work voluntary, i am still wondering why the courts are full of beneficeries who don't want to work but have time to do crime, there should be far less people on benefits as if someone wants to work they will do what it takes to find a job, heaps choose to be on a benefit as a lifestyle choice so while i know there are genuine people receiving benefits there are far more that shouldn't be on them, again it's an easy system, and yes i do feel compassion for those struggling but trying to make a real difference by wanting to work and study toward a good job, but why are we allowing a system to pay for babies having babies? And there are generations of families in the benefit cycle that are able to remain so, one size does not fit all but there should be more effort in people finding work, phillip had a point by saying even the disabled are able to work, that says a lot for those on sickness and invalids benefits as it is very easy to get a doctor to sign off a medical cert. |
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By: cfrw@xtra.co.nz
27/08/2008
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| Take it easy,have you ever thought why there are solo mothers?They dont get pregnant by themself you know,most of them you should be proud of because they keep their commitment to their kids.Where are the dads [not al of them are the same]howcome most woman have to carry the full load.Dont answer about they pay childsupport because i know some who earn heaps but refuse to help out.Everything takes time and energy,just to give you an example;bring 1 to school.1 to kindy,do shopping.pick up from kindy,go home.washing on put shopping away,make lunch,make beds tidy up.hang up washing pick up schoolkids.afternoon tea,homework,after school commitments some have sports some might have music or paper run,oops dont forget dinner make and eat it,dishes,showersand bedtime.maybe a quick cuppa,folding washing and bed.nxt day of you go again and this is when you dont have a special needs child.Then you have so much more to do.Dont ever say solo parents are lazy because they often work twise as hard then the ones who have a 9 to 5 job.They have a 24 hour one,not even letting you know what the day wil look like when the fam. has a tummy bug.I think they should get a medal or get paid 4 the hours they do.That wil prob. set you of. |
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By: cfrw@xtra.co.nz
27/08/2008
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| Due to helping my ex to build our bussines with my fam. money i am now on the bennefit.We decided that i would look after the kids and support him where needed.Ihave been to long out of my prof.to get back.bussines is booming an other women enjoys the fruit.Bussines owners can do a lot on paper when it is deviding time.Just deal to them for being dishonest.Maybe the law should be dif.no bennefits butyou keep responseble for the fam you created.that counts for man and woman.make you think twice about starting one or ending one.sounds good to me. |
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By: grinderservices@xtra.co.nz
27/08/2008
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| what about the middle income working 2 jobs - 1 to pay the morgage and and 1 small community based family bussiness we are supposed to be rich but we pay provisional tax 3x a year- before we earn it which by the way goes on the credit card or pay massive penalties old man gets made redundant no unemployment for us cause we have a small bussiness- dosn'nt seem to matter it does not earn enough to feed us the excuse is grow the bussiness but how?with no cash for machinary or advertiseing? my girl has 80 dollars to feed 2 kids pay power-food and petrol after rent on the dpb so mom buys baby formular 10 dollars meat and some vege cause i dont think the numbers add up hubby got nu day job he sat at puter answering every add possible so now we going to be ok |
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By: ari_jo2002
27/08/2008
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| this be exactly why we left NZ, love our country, Hell yes. Survive there? We couldn't. Juggling bills, jobs, kids, mortgages, food! for heavens sake! and it's not as if we were poorly paid, there was just nothing left. So, to give our kids the life they deserve, and are entitled to, we left. Not everyone is in the position to do so, i know, and my heart goes out to you. |
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By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
27/08/2008
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i'm impressed actually, that the responses on this board are generally sensible. as for nz being a bad place to live because you can't make ends meet, it certainly seems to be easier to pay the bills in some other countries - in australia in particular (although if you are an employer you have to pay high wages) and also britain.
That said though, i would still rather live in this country, with its natural beauty and cultural diversity, than any other. careful planning is what we need to pull off personal and societal success. there are many of us who have been careful to plan having a family around our working lives, so give our families the best opportunities we can.
i know the dpb has helped some of my family members to get back on their feet after their husbands left them and they had nothing. they are now successful people. that's what benefits are for, and that's what they are almost always used for.
the staff at winz have much smaller case loads than they used to. if you're abusing the benefit, they'll find out. |
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By: cripplemronion@rocketmail.com
27/08/2008
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| The system is build for no pressure and it doesnt get results, I got layed off 5 or so years ago, went to winz as a back up and to see what job they had on offer, was told that before I could apply for any of the jobs they had their I had to attend a course so I went to the course then next day and all it did was tell me about work ethic and job hunting stuff I already knew about, after the lecture I go to the counter and ask if I can see someone about the jobs on the board, but the jobs I was looking at were reserved for people that had been unemployed for some time and I would need to talk to a case manager, but they were all busy away or at lunch was told that someone would ring me later in the day heard back a week later and by that time I had already started a new job. How people that don't really want to work get a job through WINZ amazes me, I wanted to get a job and it was a hassle, in the end didn't need WINZ to hold my hand as I only had a week off between the jobs. |
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