By: mozzarella68
30/08/2008
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jonstammers
Oh, by the way - your post gets an F. |
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By: pelorusian
30/08/2008
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| When the old wharves were being pulled down in Blenheim a very early Roman coin was found whilst digging, this is now on display at the Blenheim district Council office, how did it get to be hwere it was found?? |
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Yes, it's an odd find, but it has no historical significance. |
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By: pelorusian
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| I am sure it does to someone, who lost it? why were they carrying it? |
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By: pelorusian
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| If it had been a Maori artifact, would archaeologists still be looking? |
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By: mozzarella68
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I doubt we'll ever know. Maybe the Romans sailed all the way over to NZ to hide that one coin for the sheer hell of it? |
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By: mozzarella68
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LOL..you beat me to it. I knew where you were headed with that last post.
For your information, they already did try to recover more but nothing came up. |
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By: pelorusian
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| It is a shame, maybe someone could write a book about how it came to be there, you know something to do with the knights templar alond those lines, then we can make the movie in downtown Blenheim |
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By: pelorusian
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| How does the "Sees Her code" sound? |
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By: pelorusian
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| Got that wrong should be "The Sees Her Coin"!!!!!!!!!1 |
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By: rawirirei
30/08/2008
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With regards to these artifacts from europe found in old building sites farms etc all over the country. Why does everyone think they went in there new. with regards to the coin could someone have lost it or chucked it in there during the building. There must be dozens of old 300 years+ european skulls around the country waiting to be found cause the early settlers times docs and all sorts of people kept them for some reason I dont know why and when people produce these skulls and claim europeans were here 1000's of years ago I would challange them to find a femur or pelvis.
heaps of grave robbing of maori artifacts was happening and the items (sometimes bones) were taken overseas. |
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By: rawirirei
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sorry didnt finish the last post;
So hopefully they find maori bones at one of the royal castles or under londons roads and wonder how it got there. Funny. |
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By: mozzarella68
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mar_ja
I think we got off track quite badly. We were talking about celestial navigation, remember?
Celestial navigation uses stars, or rather the celestial position of the star at night as a point of reference, correct?
The weather has no bearing on celestial navigation except that in bad weather you wouldn't be able to see the stars at night, but the weather on earth doesn't influence the position of a star.
Now getting back to navigation, as an example, I said that if your point of reference was the north star, then if you stood at the south pole then you wouldn't be able to see that star because you cannot see through the earth.
Again, I know it's not what we're talking about here, but the point is that the constellation of stars differs between the northern and southern hemispheres.
So, how would you use a point of reference from the northern hemisphere when you can't see it in the southern hemisphere?
The only way they could do that is if they spent enough time in the southern hemisphere to aquire knowledge about a completely different constellation of stars.
That requires settlement, so where is it? |
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By: mozzarella68
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One more thing, if the weather did influence the position of a star, then it wouldn't be worthwhile using celestial navigation at all since your point of reference would always be changing. |
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By: rauhina2004
30/08/2008
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Ok as a historian I'm very interested in looking backwards & not for any political reasons. I have heard about the celts/vikings theory and who knows???
North America was mapped by vikings long b4 the Europeans re-discovered it.
In ancient caves in America there is evidence that supports a theory that some ancestors of Native Americans were from a small area of France. There is also evidence of how they sailed to America. Similarly there is a theory about the Chinese as ancestors of Native Americans so the one theory i.e. the Bering Strait one is only 1 way via which people travelled to America.
So anything is possible in my opinion.
If we have a modicum of intelligence, we keep an open mind on any subject or theory. But if we want information to stake a claim such as indigeneity we will reject certain information. |
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By: mozzarella68
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You're welcome to add more a little more than just "I have heard about the celts/vikings theory and who knows???"
Too many people post things like "In ancient caves in America there is evidence that supports a theory that some ancestors of Native Americans were from a small area of France" and just leave it at that. We have that here with so called "evidence" of stone dwellings in our forrests.
I mean, seriously, where is this "evidence" that everyone keeps talking about? I have an open mind, but I need something more than feable speculation. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/08/2008
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Mozarella68:
my apologies, you are correct ! I was definitely on a different tangent and no the star pattern etc would remain the same over millions of years, even the mininal rotation due to earths orbit would not have anything to do with star navigation. You are absolutely right.'
Thanks for the extra information though, all interesting, now I will leave you to continue the debate. |
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By: fireangel_st44
30/08/2008
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| I have heard stories about the caves on Mount Taranaki, so it goes apparently they had Spanish Artifacts in them and some time in the 30's before WWII the NZ Government ordered them to sealed or blown up. Now that has come down through 4 generations of Te Ati Awa and Scotts. Has anyone else heard of this? Would love to know if you have. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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fireangel st44
Spanish/Portugese where in NZ late 1600s in the far North that is documented. There are descendants living in different parts of the country. So what you have said is correct, no mystery and if they got as far as Taranaki that would have been possible, as they were here fishing and whaling and trading etc..... |
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By: fireangel_st44
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| Ok. Just did a search and found a Book called Ancient Celtic New Zealand by Martin Doutre, anyone read this? |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/08/2008
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| fireangel: this is what the post you are on is about Martin Doutre! and the Ancient Celtic NZ !!! |
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By: fireangel_st44
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| Am a little slow on the pick up, sorry. |
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By: adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz
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yes. its about as good as new zealands hidden past by ross wiseman. which means its pseudoscientific tripe. read it at your peril.
not only is the content trash, but the ideology of the author (doutre) is about as dodgy as you can get, meaning that he has links with the national front in nz, and is in the david irving fan club, infamous ww2 holocaust 'revisionist' |
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By: fireangel_st44
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Found this in a paper on the 15.08.2008.
Dr Harris said his interest in pre-Tasman or Cook contact with New Zealand was prompted by a visit to La Corunna, Spain, in 2001 where locals showed him a pohutukawa tree, a NZ native, which some believe is more than 300 years old. |
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| adam-victoria@xtra.co.nz, what is your whakapapa? |
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