By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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| who were you talking to, me or andrew or just making a statement, and no I dont take drugs......thank you. |
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| oooohhhh....pulls up a seat in the back row, popcorn in hand.... |
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By: fitzco@xtra.co.nz
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| can i've some of that popcorn? |
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By: glasspida
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| sure, could be quite a show :-) |
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By: fitzco@xtra.co.nz
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| thanks. I love watching marja in action. Very powerful backhand |
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By: mike_f596
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| by the way .. was a culture and way of life ever built up around the lochness monster? |
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By: mike_f596
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| and did it eat strawberry cheesecake ? |
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By: ari_jo2002
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| i was reading the tattoo thread, and then remembered this one. I have a small neo tribal tattoo, and its amazing where you see the same pattern repeated...on the monolithic mounds in Louth and Knowth in Ireland, Asia, Greece...all those old pots bearing koru's etc...perhaps people did travel all over, and kept travelling. just a comment really...don't really fancy the F coming my way. |
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By: mozzarella68
2/09/2008
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I think the answers are self evident. The Phonecians, Carthagians, Celts and Vikings are actually descendents of ancient polyneasian voyagers.
This explains the asthetic similarities of, for example, ancient Celtic art when compared to Maori art. This is espcially true when you consider specific design patterns, like straight lines and curved lines, since this is found only in ancient Celtic and Maori art; and of course the use of wood, because wood was only used by the ancient Celts and Maori, who we now know to be one and the same people.
The vikings travelled by sea, so did Polyneasians. Therefore, we can thus prove that the Vikings are descended from Polyneasians.
The entire country of Portugal was descended from Te Kooti which explains the similarity of features with east coast Maori.
It is a known fact that the "4 foot people" a.k.a "the little people" still exist, but they only come out at night. Some claim that if you can find the begining of a rainbow that you will find one of these people. The other method of finding these people is to consume vast amounts of magic mushrooms.
Maori elders are hiding this information because they do not wish to share their stash of magic mushrooms.
And lastly, the "seven foot plus" people you mention must have shrunk sometime over the last 3 days, because the last person to copy and paste all this valuable information claimed that they were "9-10 feet tall". |
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By: mozzarella68
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Don't worry - I'm not sure I can actually be bothered grading any more posts. There are no F's coming your way.
I think this thread has probably outlived it's usefullness, unless you guys decide to get back on track with more serious debate. But it was fun while it lasted.
In response to your statement about your "neo tribal" tattoo (tattoo = polyneasian word meaning 'to mark'), you will see from my previous post that the links to Ireland, Asia and Greece have already been proven beyond any reasonble doubt.
This design feature is obviously a direct link to the ancient polyneasian settlers who were the original inhabitants of those countries before they ventured into the south pacific.
There is an ancient fossilised paua shell held in the Metropolitan Museum of New York. This variety of 'abalone' does not occur naturally on the east cost of the US nor in the Atlantic in general.
How did it get there if not by voyaging polyneasians who were known to keep south pacific paua in flax baskets over the side of their vessels during extended journeys? |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
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Cheesecake.
Getting thirsty. Wheres my beer?.
The paua shell may have got to New York in the belly of a large, paua eating fish that died where the paua shell was found. Or perhaps in the belly of a large, but now extinct, paua eating bird that flew it there. The possibility of these things cannot be discounted.
Also, toward the start of this thread, you assumed the Celts did not get here because there is no physical evidence they did. However nothing man made apart from rock works, rock tools, or trenches would show up anyway. Also the Maori say that there was some mixing of new blood way before Able Tasman discovered NZ, which explains why some of them were different in colour and appearance, when Able Tasman arrived and if so where was their influence on early Maori in how Maori lived?. Perhaps any new craft or technology that could have been introduced, was simply lost in order to do whatever they could just to stay alive in NZ at that time. I.e. If you were washed up on some half deserted Island in the middle of nowhere 500 years ago, with some basic knowledge of things you saw back home. What is that knowledge worth, like knowing that iron exists, or glass exists, if you dont have the where-with-it-all to know how to turn black sand into steel? Or white sand into glass. This knowledge of steel and glass existing would die with you, if you were unable to produce it.
And whos to say a settlement of marooned celts, or others didnt start to set up, but all the men who knew about making clever things were wiped out by Maori, and only the woman were kept alive as slaves. There goes any opportunity for advancement right there. Therefore just because there is no man made evidence of the Celts or anyone else having arrived, does not necessarily mean they didnt. |
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By: mozzarella68
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I had a nice cold beer waiting for you, but you didn't show up, so I drank it with my curry. They say that a curry's best friend is a beer.
I like a nice Belgian style. The spicey notes provide an interesting contrast to Indian cuisine. I recommend Leffe if you can get it at your local grog shop. |
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By: ropativ
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| This is an interesting post...facts plus speculations....BUT a conclusive answer is quite obvious...UNPROVEN and quite possibly impossible....with all due respect, it's like trying to find conclusive evidence that the poo I found behind my place was about 3000 years old, and was left there by an overfed celt...or perhaps a viking...? |
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Ahhh...yes, BUT: can you categorically state that the poo was not left behind by an overweight celt/viking?
I'm interested to know more about this poo. Did you find it in an ancient stone long drop?
Does the poo artifact have similarities to known features of celtic/viking poo of the period i.e. circa 1200AD? |
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By: mozzarella68
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Your points are duely noted. We've been down this road already, but for the sake of clarification I would state that I do not deny the possibility that celts/vikings could have visited NZ, but rather that the probability that they did is so lacking in supporting evidence, including but not limited to: historical records, necessity, known patterns of human migration, boat building technology of the period, navigational techniques of the period and physical evidence, as to make the possibility of the event virtually null and void.
Based on the reasons you give for promoting the possibility that the event occured, we cannot logically discount that the reverse argument is also possible i.e. that the ancient polyneasians settled parts of the known ancient world which explains some of the asthetic similarities between the two cultures.
However, for the sake of this thread, and for the sake of our sanity, we should limit the boundaries of probability and possibility to things that we as unofficial historians & archaeologists have at our disposal to prove. |
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By: didjereedoo
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I find it curious that the Maori (an ancient name for 'God(s)' according to Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces") have complex family trees that all of a sudden seem to stop in the 1200's and then an untraceable mystical land becomes their geography of origin. Curious.
Perhaps if history was re-written we may discover that we have all been living under an illusion propagated by those who stand to profit from such a ruse. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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morning didgeridoo!
it might be possible we all connect back somewhere in time., all peoples ???? |
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By: glasgowm96
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didjereedoo
Maori --the word did not exist until pakeha arrived --check it out |
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By: didjereedoo
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'Maori' is the name of God from south east Africa... what is now known as South Rhodesia to be exact and was the God responsible for the making of the first man...page 303 of the aforementioned text...maybe the world is a lot older than you yet know.
Pakeha as a description of a human is rascist. |
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By: mozzarella68
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| glasgo - what's your point? |
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No idea what your point is. 'Pakeha' is not a racist term, and even if it was, it isn't relevant to this thread. |
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There are similar phrases throughout the world, that have different meanings... The word Maori in the history of NZ, from both a Polynesian and European perspective, was first used in the Treaty of Waitangi as a translation of Native... "Tangata Maori"... which literally means "Normal or Natural People"...
Pakeha is a phrase with ancient meanings in Maori, and has NO racist intention... |
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By: didjereedoo
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| This thread is about the origins of people. This we obtain from the names they give their collective genome. Rascist terms obscure dignity and truth of a peoples origin. |
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By: didjereedoo
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abu2... indeed.
I am intrigued as to the definition of the descriptor: "pakeha" could you please clarify this for me? |
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By: mozzarella68
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Actually, this thread is not about the origins of people, but it can be summed up by the following "rules of engagement" which have been posted throughout this thread.
RULES OF ENGAGEMENT
The preposition of this thread is that the Ancient Celts/Vikings visited NZ sometime around 1200 AD as suggested by Martin Dourtre. Refer to page 1.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to use reason and intelligence to argue the point one way or the other.
I don't actually care what your point is. I only care that you make an effort to argue it intelligently.
With that in mind please observe the following rules of engagement:
* Do not make personal attacks since this only proves
that you have run out of anything intelligent to say.
* Make an effort to argue your point, don't just push
your own agenda with pointless conjecture.
* Try to use as much factual information as possible i.e.
something that can be corroborated.
* Respect other peoples opinions. |
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