By: mike_f596
28/08/2008
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| do you know the origin of the phrase " cor blimey " ? |
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By: kand@xtra.co.nz
28/08/2008
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| They were an ancient people who were here before the land masses had separated and the two poles where lush and green.They walked here via land bridges.The earth was a lot warmer then and animal life along with natural sources of food where abundant.After the land bridges separated,And the earth cooled to the temps that were cold enough to create the polar ice caps.They were cut off the same as the aussie abo's .The abos adapted in a hotter climate, as the first people of this land perished due to isolation and harsh colder temperatures.IN doubt they were either Celts or Nordic but still led a tribal village type existence and probably numbered around 1 or 2 thousand at their peak.Ive seen the purpose built structures in the northland forests which defiantly pre date Maori.And its just not a few old walls ,that's why DoC sectioned it off to the public.Maori may not have been the first ones here by thousands of years .But by the time they sailed out of the pacific south towards NZ the climate had warmed again so they were able to flourish. SO WHATCHA RECKON ABOUT THAT. |
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By: mozzarella68
28/08/2008
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grizzco2004
Seems I have touched a nerve with you! The point of this thread is to use reason, common sense and intelligence, so if you have a problem with that, then why not just post somewhere else?
I'm not trying to be "holier than thou" so keep your arrogant pretence to yourself.
If you have an opinion, then argue it. We're all equal here, so if you can't handle it then leave.
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By: mozzarella68
28/08/2008
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Are you intellectually challenged? Are you having some trouble understanding the simple rules of engagement?
This thread is not about handwriting, or howard morrison, or mispronounced verbs or maths vs. te reo maori.
There are other threads for that, or you could start your own. |
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By: proudcannabal
28/08/2008
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| stone work is not proof of celts being here there is stonework in tonga and other pacific islands, there is stone work in south america and dont forget easter island, hillforts are a common sense tool against an invading force and also are not unique to the celts so the topic of ancient celtic nz is as close to being proven as egyptian pre maori nz , oh while were there the egyptions and the maori had the same word for the sun, RA. |
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By: mozzarella68
28/08/2008
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Wow... what a failure.
F. |
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By: mozzarella68
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Why bother with the stupid "rules of engagement"? So that we can all present a logical argument within a common framework.
There are heaps of other threads you could use to insult people, so go elsewhere if that's all you have to offer.
This thread is for those who want to rise above the name calling and inuendo. |
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By: mozzarella68
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RULES OF ENGAGEMENT
The preposition of this thread is that the Ancient Celts/Vikings visited NZ sometime around 1200 AD as suggested by Martin Dourtre. Refer to page 1.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to use reason and intelligence to argue the point one way or the other.
I don't actually care what your point is. I only care that you make an effort to argue it intelligently.
With that in mind please observe the following rules of engagement:
* Do not make personal attacks since this only proves
that you have run out of anything intelligent to say.
* Make an effort to argue your point, don't just push
your own agenda with pointless conjecture.
* Try to use as much factual information as possible i.e.
something that can be corroborated.
* Respect other peoples opinions. |
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By: proudcannabal
28/08/2008
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| Mozzy the interjectors know nothing better than to stifle decent discussion they are a fact of life remember at school they only contributed when it was time to be rebellious negative or racist its part of humanity to have these people as solutions aptly said on another thread we need *** holes or we would fill up with s.h.i.t and die a horrible death |
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By: proudcannabal
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| wow you gave me an f mozzy i thought that first post was reasonable ok hows this then ,yes celts were here because there is a rockwall in the waipoua forest in northland and also all over nz you can find the remnants of hill forts so they must have been here. |
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By: proudcannabal
28/08/2008
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| the proof to my statements can be found when you google ancient celtis new zealand and i really think that its factual and well researched. |
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By: proudcannabal
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| and maori art is full of spirals just like the celts so they must have copied that spiral design off them before they killed and ate them. |
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By: proudcannabal
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| have you noticed how similar a korowai is to a celtic cloak and a tiaha is similar to a celtic sword i think the maori must have copied these things off the celts too . |
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By: proudcannabal
28/08/2008
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| is that what you would like to hear mozzy stop being an ass there is no proof if there is maori arnt trying to cover it up name one iwi doing this i think maori are stopping grave robbers who want to pillage there sacred sites for what ever reason people feel like they have the right to do this most iwi are quite happy to work in with the authorities proof of this can be found on the gateways to their marae it says Haere Mai (welcome)in big letters on a pakeha gate it says Tresspassers will be prosecuted(F....k off) |
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By: jandhroyle
28/08/2008
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| I have no evidence and only 'faith' in the notion that perhaps there was founders of NZ who were possibly Celts or Vikings this being before the Chinese - anyone read '1421' or 'south of capricorn'? |
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By: mozzarella68
28/08/2008
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proudcannabal
Where did I give you an F? I apologise. |
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Hey, where did I give you an F? Are you posting under two Id's? |
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By: jandhroyle
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| I found your message fascinating and would love to know what more I can read on the subject |
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By: inbound39
28/08/2008
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| I do have to agree with Proud Cannibal. Viking art called "Jellinge" Style art is very similar to Maori art. One similarity is the use of gripping beasts in carving where one beast grabs the ankles of the other or a single beast intertwines on itself gripping its own limbs. The Tiki is a good example of Jellinge type style. I do not believe this is coincidence. Vikings were excellent seafarers and there is proof of them reaching America. Why not here. Could it not have been a water and stores stop? Could it not have been a mid point to shelter to effect repairs to their vessels. They navigated using the stars and were excellent with those skills. A known fact. If they found here by accident they could find it again. Maybe they simply finished whatever surveys they were doing and left. |
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By: inbound39
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| The biggest mistake we all make is the world was different than what it is now. Climate was different and vegetation and Wind currents and sea. Recently it was discovered in Europe than humans were regularly living on the Alpine slopes....regularly walking and hunting there. We in our naivity had ever thought that possible. We were clouded by todays view. Spaniards, Portuguese,Dutch,English, Chinese et al were ALL embarking on voyages of discovery. New Zealand was a substantial land mass in an ocean. In my view it was bound to be encountered and bound to be found either by accident or on purpose. Cook thought New Zealand was somewhere completely different. Was New Zealand listed as something else entirely by the Vikings? Did they identify it as somewhere else? A lot of questions and little tangible fact but still enough to take an educated assessment that it was possible for them to get here. |
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By: gorjusgeorge@xtra.co.nz
28/08/2008
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The vikings reached as far afield as North America and North Africa - but they didn't stay there. It's possible that they sailed on down the coast of North and South America - surviving all that those peoples, pests and seas could throw at them - and then struck out from there to reach NZ.
But then I guess it's possible that the pyramids were built by aliens.
The story I really love - because it illustrates just how completely potty right wingers can be - is the one that had some naughty Scots being exiled to South Westland in the 12th century - hitching a lift back to Scotland with some passing vikings - then coming back to NZ with some women!
Just like that! |
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By: astronoddy
28/08/2008
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| I know that NZ was discovered by the Chinese thousands of years ago before they even knew they were Chinese. Thousands came and settled here but then one day the Taupo supervolcano erupted and spewed ash over the entire landmass. All the ash got in their tea, and they said "Bugger this. Not livin anywhere where ya can't have a decent cuppa green tea", so they all packed up and went back to China. The ash obliterated all traces of their presence for thousands of years and we would never have known about this until the day I dug up a chinese history book in me garden. A chinese friend of mine translated it and it had thousands of years old photos that showed this was indeed true, but then my three year old scribbled all over the book with crayons so we threw it out. So now no-one believes me. Even though that's how we got the word bugger. |
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By: hairybackrazor
29/08/2008
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astronoddy;
Too much that one, ha ha ha!
mozzarella cheese should lighten because this thread 'cracks me up' it should be on Re;jokes thread.
Uh well, nothing wrong with a good laugh! |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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Was there really a "Yeti" found in the Urewera?
Lol! well anything is possible, do you have any proof hairybackrazor?
Mozarella! It would have been possible to have sailed and navigated from anywhere many moons ago using star navigation. As it is already documented there were pre-european Polynesian/Maori etc living in New Zealand well before Colonisation, as far back as the date you have expressed 1200 a.d.
Maybe there was some sort of trade happening anyway, maybe minimal if that can be accepted as a guess, it was happening in other parts of the world. |
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By: mozzarella68
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I do concede your point re: vikings in america, but it is generally accepted that they made it to north america via greenland - in other words, the migration from scandinavia to north america required a shorter migration from scandinavia to greenland first i.e. they didn't get there in one migration.
So in terms of the alledged migration from scandinavia to NZ we should be asking:
* If the ancient Celts or Vikings made it here, then which route did they take? If we are to believe that they got here in one generation, then they must have had prior knowledge of the existence of NZ. Where is this evidence?
* If they got here over a period of generations, as is common with human migration, then it is not unreasonable to expect to find evidence of settlements along the migration path. Where is this evidence?
When the Vikings invaded the UK they settled in the Shetlands to the north of Scotland, Greenland and Russia, so even the Vikings themselves follow this pattern of gradual human migration and settlement. |
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