By: ngaoakes
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Vicious dogs. Born that way or created by people?
my vote - created by peolpe |
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By: cripplemronion@rocketmail.com
8/09/2008
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| It depends like people certain dogs to tend to show certain traits, my mates got a pitty and she a lovely dog, and our neighbour had to have their lab put down cause it tried to eat the posty. So yeah I think its 6 of one and a half dozen of the other myself |
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By: smoking.lily
8/09/2008
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| a product of there enviroment, a bit like viciuos children |
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By: whiplashnz
8/09/2008
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Touch one to call categorically. But I'll give my 10 cents worth (since 5 cents are no longer legal tender).
I'm inclined to lean to the owners of dogs either mis-treating them or intentionally rearing them to be "tough".
But I have a nagging voice that is also telling me, that a dog is a dog is a dog, and that they are but an animal, which can revert to it's natural instincts at any time. Some breeds are bred specifically for their aggression, like the Pitbull. |
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By: ctawharu
8/09/2008
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| One of my friends is a dog control person. He KNOWS it is the owners that create the personality in the dog...but I also believe in Nature vs Nurture argument. It is in the DNA nature of some breeds to attack with the vercity that they do, creating extreme damage. |
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By: whiplashnz
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| oops sory tough not touch |
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By: ngaoakes
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| Awesome posts people. This is the discussion I was after. Work in the veterinary industry and can see both side of the argument but really its is up to the owners, either training wise or making a call about their dog at some stage. |
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By: gaba.oudemans@xtra.co.nz
8/09/2008
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| It's the owner. Article on the news in the weekend from the States (National Geographic Channel) about the moron sports star over there that has been arrested for illegal dog fighting. He had the pits and everything on his property, but said "It wasn't me, I've done nothing wrong". Anyway the authorities seized the dogs (American Pittbulls) and they went to a rehabilitation centre. After months of care and training these dogs have had the "fighting streak" trained out of them and a now up for adoption. Proof that it's the training that brings the end result. Don't blame the dog, blame the owner. The centre said that unfortunately not all dogs can be re-trained and are put down. |
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By: andrew.whiteman@xtra.co.nz
8/09/2008
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| A dog is only as bad as its owner. |
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By: sportflash18
8/09/2008
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raising dogs is like raising children (sort of)
bad owners = bad dogs
bad parents = bad kids |
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By: kiwiglen111
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| There are cases of loopy dogs, and particularly when in breeding occurs..Ive got an 8 month old bull mastiff pup. Shes big as hell already. Shes a lovely serene girl, and everyone likes her (very good looking dog) Buuut. about an hour a day she slips into lala land and frenzies. Shes bolwled the kids and niped me a few times too. Impossible to control.. Im not sure wheatrher she is a prob yet, but holding my judgement. I hate to say it, but if she ever bites anyone it will be curtains for her. I dont stuff around with things like that.. |
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By: andrew.whiteman@xtra.co.nz
8/09/2008
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| Glen. Just a bit of advice if you so wish. I have had a few dogs. Rolled up newspaper as the punishment. A smack with that on her rear end, a good one. But I can tell you it will hurt you more than it will hurt your dog. The noise is the trick that scares them, not the pain. It will get to the stage, when you pull out the roll of newspaper and her seeing it, she will know she has done wrong. Takes time but it should work. I have had Masstiffs in the past and have a Lab / Masstiff now, with a rolled up newspaper on hand. She knows it and doesnt like it. Hope this helps. |
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By: kiwiglen111
8/09/2008
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| Cheers Andrew, my father in law suggested that and i might try. She hates water and ive been throwing her water bowl water at her, as it's the closest thing on hand. Problem now is she is scared of her water bowl..HA |
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By: andrew.whiteman@xtra.co.nz
8/09/2008
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| LOL yeah you dont really want her scared of that. But I have tried heaps of things and found the rolled up newspaper to be the best. |
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By: andrew.whiteman@xtra.co.nz
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| Another I found, this will sound cruel, but if my dog digs holes, she gets her foot inside her collar. She can get around, just, lol but it does work. That might take a few days too. Take your dog to the hole, with the newspaper tell her off, then insert the foot into the collar at the hole she may have dug. Took me about 4 days and both feet in her collar, but she stopped digging holes. |
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By: kiwiglen111
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| haha. that does sound cruel but im keen to give it a shot. My girl digs holes to Africa and really keen to sort it. I hate dissaplining the kids let alone the dog, but i guess its gota be done in the interest of a safer community.lol |
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By: vulcanneo
8/09/2008
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Being a dog behaviourist, i have been waiting for a post like this to come along. So thankyou to the creator.
From what i see day in, and day out, I well and truly believe that dog's are products of their environment(though some dogs are born genetically imbalanced-about 1% of the canine population i believe).
The sad fact is that people that are attracted to 'power breeds', your GSD(German shepherd), Rotties, Pittbulls, Amstaffs, Mastiffs etc are usually unstable people in themselves, and into the breed for the wrong reason, wanting to look macho and strong, or even more cruel, into dog fighting. The reality is, that any dog can be raised to be anything it's owner pleases.
Unstable owner = an unstable dog.
I am in the business i am because i wish to eradicate the publics perception of 'dangerous dogs' and help rehablitate those that have gone off track... |
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By: vulcanneo
8/09/2008
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| so any questions relating to dog behaviour, or if you would like advice on how to correct a behavioural problem, please don't hesitate to ask!!! |
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By: stillettos4me
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| Good for you vulcanneo for pointing out that badly behaved dogs 9 times out of 10 is through the falt of their unstable owners! My mum bred and showed Shepards I love them. |
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By: kiwiglen111
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| Cheers Vulcanneo, will do. One of my majors is she seems to pick on my two year old the most, she gets very jelous of him. If we are down the beach and shes on the lead, and hes on my shoulders she jumps (high) and tries to nip him, then me.. She 40kg and climbing..She frenzies when been let off the lead and kind of shadows my when im walking accross the section with a mad look in her eye. If i pat her she waits silently then "snap" when i try to walk away.. Starting to shart myself at times..If i give her a clip round the chops it makes her worse...Might try Andrews suggestion.. |
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By: stillettos4me
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| One my Mum used whith pups is a water pistol, after a while when dog gets in to a routine she slowly allowed them to get to realise that water can be fun for them too. |
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By: iflplanning
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Our two dogs are cross breeds, one a staffy/pittbull and the other a bullterrior/whippet/zebra (or something crazy like that).
Both were rescued from certain death at puppyhood, and are what I would call well trained. Fortunately my partner has raised them well, and whilst I dont believe in cruelty to animals in any form, I must admit they have been given the odd hiding to show them who is the leader of the pack. I dont agree with this 100%, but I also must confess - they are both loving and gentle creatures and know their place in the family.
When they are given a command, they are expected to obey. If not obeyed straight away, they are given the three second count. Yes, as in....
"one!"
"two......"
(It generally never gets to three...) |
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By: kiwiglen111
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| Gawwwddd! Just noticed my dog has anialated my Yukka tree. litte b-tch!!- Kids and dogs,,, why buy anything you like. Allways gets hammered in the end..baaahhhhh.. |
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By: vulcanneo
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I myself have Neapolitan Mastiff. 14 months old, over 80kilos intact male. The sweetest dog you would ever meet. The only way that i could possibly control this lion is via taking advantage of his psychology.
Your girl has dominance issues. To put it plainly, she doesn't see you as the boss. At all. Or your son.
(Dominance aggression is the reason why 1000's of dogs are abandoned, taken to the spca or euthanised every year).
I have to say also that nobody should ever, EVER strike a dog. especially when it is in a dominant/aggressive state of mind. as you said, it just makes it worse.
I will email you privately if you dont mind?? Dominance aggression is a big topic. |
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By: stillettos4me
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| Dont lose your temper with her try the newspaper and tone of voice she will learn Dogs are like kids dont get brains till about 2 ot 3 as in our staffy, It took alot of patience and a firm hand but never has he been thrashed! |
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