By: beaumulligan
5/07/2008
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The joke known as Affirmative Action continues to cause havoc with Govt and buisness being forced to hire hopelessly under qualified women for positions they have no ability to perform simply because they are women!
I was under the impression that we lived within a system that prevents discrimination based on gender! How then does that apply to the many appropriatly qualified males who are overlooked simply because they are men??
Govt is so top heavy with non performing ,quota filling females that the country is inan all time, ever increasing mess, just so we can show the world how "modern" we are.
Buisnesses are going broke trying to satisfy the ever increasing demands of the man hating Feminist lobby, holding jobs open for pre menstrual,post traumatic, pregnant princesses, providing creches, free time, me time, flexibility e.t.c, all at the ridiculous demand of the feminist lobby who have also manipulated the media(anti male messages everywhere),courts(lighte r sentencing for women for equal crime). Its a pathetic joke which deliberatly discriminates against all things male while promoting all things female. |
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By: nicolte
5/07/2008
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
5/07/2008
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| Apart from the Helen Clark clique in Govt. I just cannot see any business,or any other political party for that matter' employing a 'token female'. In fact I think that because women have a much harder road to the top, battling through this macho male scenario, I'd say that they more than deserve the positions they are in. I think it's the male that needs to bury this ego thing and start competing a lot harder because right now they're getting spanked by women. And I'm a male. |
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By: beaumulligan
5/07/2008
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Spanked with the one sided assistance of the female friendly,feminist enforced society we are currently getting rammed down our throats. Men are not in reciept of any such blatantly discriminatory policies. As i said the doctrine is well known as "Affirmative Action" and for the benefit of those not yet affected, it forces all Buisnesses with a certain number of employees to hire a percentage of women regardless of suitability for the position.
Seems Sisters really are incapable of doing it for themselves after all. |
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By: powley9
5/07/2008
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| this sounds like a load of rubbish to me women are neat no fun for us blokes without them if woman got your mate maybe you should get a blokes job or something? |
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By: nicolte
5/07/2008
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beau, let us not forget why we are currently in this position. Why are women in the workforce? Who put them there why WE went off and fought wars? Who gave them the taste of independence? Well, it has well and truly come back to bite us in the axx. 50 years ago you used to compete for a job with the guy down the road from you. Now, you compete with the guy down the road from you, the girl down the road from you, and if that wasn't bad enough the guys and girls who are sitting in India and China who can do YOUR job at less than half the rate.
Nah beau, men created this mess for ourselves and there is NO turning back the cl.o.ck , we just have to deal with it. |
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By: beaumulligan
6/07/2008
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Your suggestion that women have been gifted the anti male policy known as "Affirmative Action" by males Nicole is yet further proof of a very naieve, youthful ignorance.Were it true it would make a mockery of the decades long whingefest perpetrated upon us by the man hating feminist lobby groups who are of course the real manipulators of the current pro woman everything system. They have forced Govt to implement so many pro female programmes (at the expense of all things male)that as stated, many countries are now drowning in a sea of PC feminist enforced incompetence. Token female "Police Commisioners"with zero experience or ability to perform effectively.Token women CEOs running companys into the ground (Qantas had to finally sack its token women CEO,on huge severance of course after a ridiculous string of disasters),Token women politicians with important portfolios they no nothing about(Transport anyone??).
America is so comically concerned about being the PC Utopia thats it orchestrated its No1 competition(election)to be contested between a woman and a black man!!The appointment of Female leaders is trumpeted as a badge of political correctness credibility, regardless of the actual damage most know will be caused by having a totally incompetent person at the helm.
No Nicole on this occasion Men cannot be blamed for anything other than being dumb enough to step out of the way in a failed attempt at indulging womens greatest gift....WHINGEING! |
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By: polziper
6/07/2008
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I see no evidence of a "decades long-whingefest". Women still face a harder road to the top than men. Not letting females have jobs is ignoring 50% of the workforce.
You're the one whinging, is it possible you got beaten to a job by a woman?
John Edwards also competed in the US election.
Employing women has numerous economic and social benefits,
whingy. |
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By: vic61@xtra.co.nz
6/07/2008
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Unfortunately the TOKEN FEMALE is alive and well, particularly in large global companies where males have traditionally been dominant. I am a female, I sat at a company meeting where management openly stated their policy was too have more woman in senior management.
This is very detrimental to females, as everytime a female got a management job, the comments were out there, she only got it because she was female. For those competent and able to do the job it was demeaning and took away from their skill and ability, and yes there were those that should never have got there, and only got there because they were women. And then there were jobs that were womans jobs upgraded to a higher level, while males were penalised, simply because it looked good for the CEO to have females up at that level. They even went so far to have a womens group, where they tried to teach woman how to behave in order to get ahead, basically change your personality and behave how we want you to. It doesn't make a pleasant place to work for anyone. As a female I will achieve because of the person I am, my skill, my ability not my sex. I left that company. |
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By: beaumulligan
7/07/2008
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| Rare honesty from within, most women stay silent on the actual extent of the favouritism gifted them based solely on gender and the unspoken, patronising notion that as women they are somehow in need of so much extra assistance just to exist! I did some work next door to a Govt Dept, staffed only with women. Honestly they spent more time across the road in the coffee shop in big gaggles doing nothing than they did in the building. Half of them brought kids to work and dumped them somewhere (feminist enforced creche i guess).This is what helps ruin the country. So many non productive female beneficiaries of a pro woman system gone mad. |
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By: larc@xtra.co.nz
7/07/2008
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| obviously most of the readers here dont live in the real world the world of new zealand where everymale over 40 who goes for a job is discriminated against because they are male. i have recently appled for over 32 jobs, i have extremely good university qualifications, but on all occasions except one , i have followed up and found these jobs have gone to women acca.mainly married women who have a husband to support them and someone as myself is supposed to live on the dole of 178.00 per week. one employer actually said to me we want someone with a skirt on, which as you know is a breach of the employment act, grow up people this country is full of blatant predjudice it always was and still is, first it was children in the 1890;s then maoris, now its men, just wait , whos turn is next i wonder |
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By: sijay@xtra.co.nz
7/07/2008
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| It is 'Maori" and we are still fighting prejudice as men,women and children!!!so boo hoo hoo' maybe it is just your attitude why you do not get the job....please leave maori out of the equation. |
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By: mrphamtom
7/07/2008
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| Any one know where i can find the minister of male affairs? or just woman? a minister of white new zealand affairs? or just maori? is there any white only scholarships available or just for maori? |
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By: machint@xtra.co.nz
7/07/2008
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| In reply to beaumulligan, I feel for you mate. It must be dreadful to feel so inferior to women and you're obviously a macho male. Get over it ! |
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By: bwing_on_da_wabbit
7/07/2008
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Oh, so gender bias is unacceptable?
Perhaps we should let other people know about this. For starters, the Catholic church, who promote only men as the things good and holy, or perhaps the schools employ ridiculously underqualified males, just because male teachers are in such short demand.
Hey, maybe the issues you are having surrounding the fact that you feel oppressed by women, all stems from your old fashioned attitude. Im sorry, times are changing. Perhaps you should go and find a pre-1900's village somewhere that you can stop around, grunt "URGH!"and play "man" |
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By: bwing_on_da_wabbit
7/07/2008
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| Just to clarify, when i say "good and holy" about the men i actually meant as the head of the household, the one who is entitled to run the buisness end of things, and the only one who possesses power in the family and the church. |
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By: nicolte
7/07/2008
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ah yes, the "good ol days", when women knew their place and could be found baking up a storm in the kitchen. Dad would come home after a hard days work and be waited on hand and foot and accorded the respect he was due being the one and only breadwinner in the family. Dinner would be on the table at an hour of his nomination, and not a minute before or after. The missus could then keep the kids quiet for the next 2 hours so a man could relax and put his feet up so as to appreciate the evening without those needless disturbances. After wife has fetched the 6th beer of the evening it was time for the "daily rubdown", which needless to say........
*Wife* NIC, HAVE YOU PUT THE BIN OUT YET
*nicolte* No dear, coming now, uumm hey, gotta go, talk more later
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By: prehensile_toes
7/07/2008
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I must say that I find this whole thread mystifying....I spent over 3 months trying to get a job recently, when I have a perfectly good degree, job experience, can spell, write grammatically, keep accounts and have brought up four children. I AM a woman, and the only thing I could put it down to was being over 50.
When I was 22, I had a very responsible job in Auckland. When I subsequently moved to the Waikato, I was told "that's considered a man's job here". I had to take a much inferior position at about half the pay. I have never, ever been the beneficiary of "affirmative action" in my life! I believe things have changed for the better, although I don't support the idea of hiring a woman just because she's female. I also don't believe this is happening in a widespread way or that it's legal to do so under the Human Rights Act. If an employer is looking for a woman to hire, it could just be because he wants to pay them less, because (shock, horror) women's wages are still less than men's across the board, even though we have had legislated equal pay for decades.
I have to go out to work to support myself, although I do, yes, have a partner, because my ex-husband left me with four children to bring up and although they are all independent now there is no other way I will ever be able to afford to be old - why should my new partner have to support me anyway?
There are thousands and thousands of women just like me, who have had no choice in whether they work or not, and the majority of them have had dependent children. My husband's child support contributions were a joke. |
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By: beaumulligan
7/07/2008
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Male teachers are indeed in short supply having been either overlooked in the rush to feminise young boys oralso, in many cases deciding to leave rather than be tagged as a pedophile for patting some kid on the back!The Feminists enforced all this anti male rubbish years ago and made it almost impossible for men to be anywhere near kids as the shadow of suspicion was hung over every male by way of discriminatory advertising e.t.c.
Feminist enforced,anti male legislation now sees old blokes being frog marched out of nursing homes after being accused of "Innapropriate "touching back ion the 50s.Half the time it turns out he may have flicked a chick with a towell or slapped her on the back for a job well done, but Hey! thats all they need now.
Drink spiking ad campaigns are also an anti male smear with just 5% of claims being supported by hospital testing, again the shadow of suspicion hangs over all males, same with domestic abuse(women now doing their fair share), speeding ads(not just men speed but the ad only shows dumb looking guys being frowned on by savvy, switched on girls!
Worst thing you can currently be is a straight ,white male. |
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By: prehensile_toes
8/07/2008
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Male teachers are in short supply because traditionally less men went to teacher's college, as teaching was a low-wage "women's" profession. Men traditionally predominated in secondary schools simply because you needed a degree rather than a teacher's certificate. Women didn't get degrees - they were only going to get married anyway.
Men abusing women - well, the statistics show that it is predominantly men who cause severe abuse injuries. And yes, there has been a paedophile "scare", but that is not really driven by feminists - more by people wanting to protect children. I don't suppose you object to that?
Feminism, in case you haven't noticed, is definitely in decline. There is much less outspoken feminism that there ever has been, and a noticeable softening of claims that men are all evil.
You can't fight statistics that say that the most accidents are caused by men, particularly young men, that most serious abuse is perpetrated by men (although of course there are women who abuse and cause accidents as well).
You seem to have a profound need to whinge. Perhaps you could try therapy? Or an operation to remove the enormous chip from your shoulder? I was abused, systematically, over the course of 25 years, both physically and psychologically, including repeated beatings and rape - within marriage. I don't normally talk about it. I have got on with my life, have a good relationship with my children and have been able to form a mature loving relationship with a non-abusive partner. All because I refuse to see myself as a victim. Just get over it!
And, by the way, my mother was touched ectremely inappropriately at a nursing home by another resident - and she was over 80! It does actually happen! |
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By: rufjak@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| i know a few families where dad is the 'breadwinner', comes home to dinner on the table, tidy house etc much as nicolte said. Yep, mum stays home and does the woman thing. And they struggle. In our house, its all equal - including housework. And when my poor husband is feeling sorry for himself because his wife hasnt ironed his clothes or cooked his dinner, he can go out fishing his launch or go hunting in a 4x4, or if its sunny take the bike, because we have all these things cos the B.i.t.c.h works hard and makes money for the famiily. |
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By: beaumulligan
8/07/2008
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Sorry prehensile, you sound like a true survivor and best of luck to you. In my defence i must point out what i see as a big difference between a chip on ones shoulder and a genuine desire to challenge what Blind Freddie can see is a big over correction in favour of feminisms continually stated ,perceived wrongs.
I have seen the results of societys pre meditated smear campaign against all things male. Mens suicide rates are through the roof, due in large part to society giving its blessing to the blatant theft,manipulation of mens children by vindictive women.Society now also condones a womans "Right" to fleece a man of a hard earned fortune simply by saying they spent a few months together!
All we see now is overindulged, spoilt little princesses, smug in the knowledge that they can control, manipulate and fleece any man who refuses to treat them as the "Godesses" the media fools them into thinking they are. |
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By: prehensile_toes
8/07/2008
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There are no special womens' rights granted by anyone! Women traditionally end up with the children, mostly because men prefer not to raise their own kids fulltime. I only know one man who has voluntarily done this! Usually women get left with the kids, half the house (means renting forever), half the furniture (unless they can get a court order to keep it) and a pathetic share of hubby's income - except if they are on a benefit, in which case they don't get any of it - it all goes to WINZ.
You can't attribute men's suicide rates to one cause - I would imagine that drug and alcohol use is one of the biggest causes, along with mental health issues and other social factors (including losing rights to visit kids). It's not the rule that kids go to Mum and never see Dad again - in fact it's quite rare and most guys who lose access to their kids lose it for very good reasons.
People can make their own arrangements, it's not as if you HAVE to allow someone to take everything if they leave. My partner and I chose to have a prenup so that in the event of one of us dying, our kids would get fair shares of their parents' belongings. It will also let us part amicably if that happens, and fairly, beause it was arranged when we were happy and rational.
And don't forget, it's all equal - my sister lost her house because of a man who had moved in with her for "just a few months". It's not all women who are the villains!!! |
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By: beaumulligan
8/07/2008
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| Good points prehensile but you will never convince me that a level playing field exists. Not sure about there but here in Oz the system was so blatantly pro woman for so long(CSA- by women for women)that changes eventually had to be made. The system still favours women but not as blatantly. Women were given all the tricks by the myriad of "Support " groups and used children as leverage in manipulating men to suit. |
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By: smuts666
9/07/2008
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Don't blame the females. It is the system that has tried in vain to 'crack the class ceiling'
One prime example is when Labour repealed the State Services Act 1962 and replaced it with the State Sector Act.
A very sound appointment process was replaced with the term 'best suited'
The result was that many managers who were appointed (men and woman) were appointed beyond their level of competence.
Mary Anne Thompson would never have been appointed to run the Pacific Division of the Immigration Service and many male managers would be much further down the food chain.
So not talk of token woman rather discussion of a silly system that has proved Parkinson's Law 100% is warranted. |
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