By: automotive_engines
4/09/2008
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| Unfortunately Nz is really this bad and guess what its gonna get worse more murder more rape more bad cops more corrupt officials yipee bring it on i say |
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By: mike_f596
4/09/2008
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I still think .. as a present resident new zealander living a normal but unusually happy life here in New Zealnd -
that the web page posted at the start of this thread is FUNNY.. !!!
social behavior rule number 1 : ... when you trip over in front of a crowd and the crowd laughs ... laugh with them and the joke once enjoyed is forgotten ..life moves on .
get angry that the crowd laughed ,wave your fist at them and you become an ongoing public self humiliation joke thats laughed about for years to come ..
laugh at ourselves ... be free :) |
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By: aphume
4/09/2008
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| int18wis0. As I have previously mentioned I'm not enirely happy with NZ either and it has many of the same problems that occur elsewhere. But there are always some people (and I have met many) that seek blame (and sue) their own bad decisions on others and will never admit fault of their own, Wintersmithen is one of those people (hence her fall out with Move2NZ) as are her friends on ExpatExposed. |
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By: charlie_studd
4/09/2008
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Been down so long I have forgotten what's it's like to look up
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By: unclenana@xtra.co.nz
4/09/2008
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| When you've GOT a real roof over your head and clothes on your back and a meal of real food on the table and you're NOT scratching around in a dustbowl looking for something, anything to feed your already starving family or walking for miles every day for a little bit of polluted water, or trying to protect them from or running (again) from armed robbers and rapists, or wondering where the next gunfire or missile is going to come from, or hiding from the neighbours who dont like your race or religion (even though you were born in the same town), or your protecting your teenage daughters from circumscision or honour killings or forced marriages - when you're NOT living with any of this, is New Zealand really this bad? |
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By: int18wis0
4/09/2008
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Aphume, I beg to differ. The casual arrogance of Kiwis, the ultra-nationalistic fervour (see replies by Kiwis in this thread), the hotly denied but very real racism. While there are *some* places in the world where these traits manifest, NZ also has them in abundance and has to be ranked in the top ten, if not five, for virulence.
Saying that migrants hove nothing but themselves to blame for coming to NZ is a cop-out. The world has a view of NZ as being clean, green and *safe*. This view did not come about in a vacuum, can we both know it is a lie. Because NZ is so "safe", tourists that come here let down their guard, something that they would normally not do. They become easy pickings. Witness Karen Aimes, the two British girls over the weekend, etc.
Remember that "safer" is not "safe". One of these words is sanctioned by the NZIS. The other is not. I'll let you figure out which is which. You are doing what you accuse the migrants of: Pushing the blame. |
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By: charlie_studd
4/09/2008
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| We will be dangerous if we keep thinking we're not |
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By: aphume
4/09/2008
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int18wis0. I have a story for you. I am a member of a volunteer (not for profit) outdoor group that runs outdoor adventure trips. I also am a part time leader/organiser for that group that is run by a friend. On one outing, a girl fell over on a public walkway and broke her leg. After recovering, that girl tried to sue my friend, the group organiser. The girl claimed that her life had been ruined and her relationship had failed and that my friend was responsible. She of course didn't have a legal leg to stand on.
My point is that that girl was Wintersmithen, or at least it could've been. |
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By: philliphunter64
4/09/2008
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| yep n.z is really this bad i reckon mabey sumone should ask the european tourists that were sexually asulted for a couple of hrs in there camper van or the german backpacker who was raped and stabbed and the honeymooners up nth who were assualted hubby tied up wife druged and raped drivin around for hrs yep wonder what they s ay when they go back to there homes and tell there family and frends of there wonderfull hoilday in N.Z yep |
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By: darwin_marsh@xtra.co.nz
4/09/2008
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| YOU are exactly the type of person we don't want to see back in New Zealand and wherever you lay your hat lowers the quality of the place. I'd imagine it would not be too long before the people of your region pick up that you are a deadbeat and run you out of town. More than likely you left because you couldn't handle having a woman boss you around, can't be too hard pushing a broom. |
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By: darwin_marsh@xtra.co.nz
4/09/2008
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| YOU "jerry springer" are exactly the type of person we don't want to see back in New Zealand and wherever you lay your hat lowers the quality of the place. I'd imagine it would not be too long before the people of your region pick up that you are a deadbeat and run you out of town. More than likely you left because you couldn't handle having a woman boss you around, can't be too hard pushing a broom. |
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By: angela4funky@xtra.co.nz
5/09/2008
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| I am with you 100% int!! The abusive comments, the delusion, etc, etc are indicative a deeper problem that lurks beneath the surface here in NZ. I had booked tickets for us to come back end of September from Brazil where we have been living for 6mths. I told my Brazilian husband I dont want to come back to NZ because I just dont feel safe there anymore. As I have said before NZ has become so controlling, interfering & dangerous. Before I left I interviewed an ex gang member who had been raped by some older men in his earlier years(7-10yrs old). He was one of many gang members who had suffered this abuse. We have a history based on sexual abuse, drinking & violence. These animals who rape, kill, etc, etc may have been victims at one stage & their behaviour is a manifestation of the abuse they suffered. No excuse, but certainly helps you gain understanding into why NZ has got progressively worse. People here are so hard to get to know, they are clicky & unfriendly & I feel really sad that I feel such fear at going home. The welfare state, the lack of personal responsibility, etc, etc. What chance is there of NZ becoming a better place for all. Not much if you scroll through the abusive replies & indignation. People may think they have an idea of what is like to live in Brazil based on very little information, but I can tell you that I admire these people that have to struggle so hard to survive yet still smile & laugh & display an enormous amount of generosity. The rich here are the pigs at the trough & the ones who live in fear of kidnap, etc. You always reap what you sow, so NZ is reaping what is has sown & unless attitudes change, it will continue down the same road. Keep doing what youve always done, keep getting what youve always got. As for the 50,000 murders in Brazil, the *** take each other out. Most of these murders are drug lords killing each other. Theres very little street violence, as most assaults or killings are robbery related. |
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By: int18wis0
5/09/2008
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Your point is that you seem to tar *all* the posters at ExEx with the same brush. I don't know if that is the case. You could be right for all I know. But please refrain from saying that everyone there is the same. Most of the upset migrants are not. Most have been lured here under false pretenses (promises of clean and gree, safety, good jobs, etc.) and are now stuck without a future in a land which hates them.
Imagine a man who, at 35, uprooted his family to move to NZ upon the promise of a better life, who then find out a few years later when he is hated, underpaid, overworked, etc., that he had been lied to. You can't expect him to move away from NZ. His children have been brought up in NZ's ultra-lousy public education system, and so going back to just about anywhere else is setting his kids up for failure. And let us not forget that the NZ attitude means that the man himself has zero chance of succeeding elsewhere in the word because his skills have been eroded to the point of uselessness from a barrage of "you have to do it the Kiwi Way".
Basically, if you want to have a go at Wintersmithen, that is fine. But don't lump everyone there in the same category. That is just wrong. |
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By: aphume
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Quote: "Your point is that you seem to tar *all* the posters at ExEx with the same brush. I don't know if that is the case. You could be right for all I know. But please refrain from saying that everyone there is the same."
That's a bit rich coming from a website that tars all New Zealanders with the same brush.
Quote: "His children have been brought up in NZ's ultra-lousy public education system, and so going back to just about anywhere else is setting his kids up for failure."
Though I've been out of education for some time now I don't find that I'm at any disadvantage in the UK having been educated in NZ. Actually most Kiwis over here tend to be well educated with high paying and successful careers.
Quote: "let us not forget that the NZ attitude means that the man himself has zero chance of succeeding elsewhere in the word because his skills have been eroded to the point of uselessness from a barrage of "you have to do it the Kiwi Way"."
Again you are that myself and other New Zealanders should not generalise, yet you insist on doing so yourself. As for the Kiwi way, that is something that I have never come across. However, anyone who moves to another country wherever that might be must be prepared to integrate. If you come to NZ, you must learn to become a Kiwi, not the other way around. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. |
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By: int18wis0
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| You have never come across it, Aphume, because you are Kiwi *rollseyes* |
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By: mike_f596
5/09/2008
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AGAIN I SAY >>> as a hapy new zealander living happily in new zealand .. if you go to the website mentioned at the beggining of this thread and have a look .. and have a sense of humor !!!! you eill injoy the giggle .. IT'S FUNNY!!
if you cant laugh at yourself and move on ..then you have a serious social attitude problem ..
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By: aphume
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| int18wis0. That's very arrogant and assuming since you know nothing about me. |
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By: mike_f596
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| im assuming you are all way to serious :P |
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By: teiky13
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| is NZ really this bad,,,yes it is,,,30yrs ago I would come to auckland and walk down queen street and every third person would be a fellow cuzzie maori,,,,30 years later walk down the same street and it's like where are the true New zealanders,,,go take a walk on Queen Street and play the game spot the Maori,,,good luck with that. |
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By: mike_f596
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| go reasd the web site on the first thread post .. its funny!!! |
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| reasd ?? must be getting later haha |
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By: yellowzigzag123
6/09/2008
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| yes.it is.the rights of certain people in nz are being ignored. and pushed under the carpet. ive been to a prominent qc. about it. ive gone back to the laywer of this persons hearing. not one has got back to me saying they would or would not look into it. if winston sago. and the donator are having differant time of hearings. this is exactly what they did in the 80ties when they nz goverment sentence a innocent man to prison with out anything verbally said in his defence. over to years they were pushed around court rooms to court rooms. accusing each other . spiritially on who was telling the truth the reason the cover up is continueing is because some of the media was in volved.how can any of this family have a life, knowing that the system sets certain family up to take the blame.when their guilt and and their mistakes come back at them.this person had no case to answer to. they saying it about winston sago..how would any of you like to do time in prison, on a jacked up court hearing. to convict judge, and sentence with out one word said verbally in his defence.this the nz goverment was involved in.even up his sentence in parliament with out a court hearing. and was refused. the right to appeal..i have to put this on the web to keep it in its right prospective until justice has been done. and those involved held accountable. ever one ive been to about it. have been shut down. |
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By: nunuloki
6/09/2008
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| You only have to see some of the conditions that many overseas people "live" and "work" under to appreciate that we in NZ are damned lucky and I suggest the biggest moaners are those who think the world owes them a living or greedy buggers who are obsessed with chasing more and more dollars. If you think we have it bad here, go and live in China or Africa and see how you go there! |
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By: yellowzigzag123
6/09/2008
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| when i first brought it to the attention of nz goverment. helen clarke said it will distroy her carreer.if the public found out.but she didn,t care about distroying this familys and next generation lives and carreer.so in turn the next carreer to distroy is winstons |
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By: yellowzigzag123
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| if parliamantians confess and admit. their mistakes. nz under parliament priveledges. then why don,t they do something about it and compensate and exnoledge to the person they have wrong.no goverment is above the law.one just can,t say i,m sorry i distroyed that family life.with my own self image and importants.then ignor and prevent that familys rights to the law.its called acrime against humanity. hampering the cause of justice.and discrimination, so what law have ordinary people got in nz when. the nz goverment prevents their cases to be heard in a proper and professional manner.on the grounds it might distroy her carreer. |
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