By: shonapalu@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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Hi people, just been reading through everyones opinions...and although some of them make me angry i can agree with alot of what has been said from both sides of the fence, i worked untill 2 years ago. My husband and i worked different shifts so 1 of us could be home with the kids that we had decided together to bring into this world.
However while i was at work I didnt realise my loving hsband was out having an affair while i was still working and pregnant with our 3rd child. I had resigned from work, due to the fact i thought i had a decent partner that was there for us. My last pay i recieved was used to pay extra on all my bills and weeks in advance of my rent. When my husband walked out on his family i couldnt even get a food grant because i was foolish to pay so far in advance on my bills and rent OH MY GOODNESS HOW STUPID OF ME!!! My youngest son is turning 2 in August this year .... I spent 1 year on the DPB and never got anything other than what i needed to survive...every person in this country is entitled to 20 hours free childcare so even solo mothers with little ones can get part time work. I study in the evenings, work for the 20 hours a week i dont need to shell out for childcare, and also look after children in my home the rest of the week, which also gives my youngest son playmates, I also work on a battering system between the locals....There are very needing families out there that do deserve every bit of help they can get...but despite how young my children are, i won't be sitting on my backside doing nothing unless i am physically unable to get out there and do something!
YES i still receive $40 a week to help toward my accomodation, so yes i still receive some form of handout. BUT i do at least try to survive! |
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By: tokoroajaq
9/07/2008
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| Thanks for sharing Shonapalu. You are obviously a hard working survivor and you take whats chucked at you and make the best with it. Good for you! |
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By: tokoroajaq
9/07/2008
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| Thanks for sharing Shonapalu. You are obviously a hard working survivor and you take whats chucked at you in life and make the best with it. Good for you! |
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By: stevoc263
9/07/2008
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| Yeah right.If you are an employer, try sacking someone for any reason good or bad, and see what happens, as I say, we have no rights we just pay the taxes and gst and fbt and acc and sick leave and holiday pay and kiwi saver.....Hmm maybe I could get a hardship benefit, seems there's no shortage of money in Helengrad,they're giving it away by the bucket load trying to buy their jobs,and all that comes with it. |
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By: purplepantry@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| good for you shona at leas you are making the most of your situation and doing everything that you can to do the best for you and your kids gd for you :) |
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By: shonapalu@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| I so understand what you are saying stevoc ... Been there done that, when i was working i was a senior manager, and no how dam hard it was to fire some employee's even with warnings etc etc...can still be very tricky .... Cheers to everyone though, there is a way out of a sticky situation if you are able bodied and prepared to put in the hard slog to get to where you want to be! .... |
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By: frank.peg@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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so cliche a young person thinking they have been out in the big wide world!! Us older ones can remember being the same and now we are older we ARE wiser as we have heard it for longer and seen the bluggers get worse, and hey not a dig at those that are legit...
Also talking about voting, I used to support Labour but definetlt no more!!!!
someone said national won't look after the poor, what is labour doing??? have given tax relief in 9 years!!!
the only way labour has helped the poor is continuing to pay for beneficiaries overdue phone bills, power bills and HP payments etc etc...so if you support that you will vote labour... |
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By: colevnz
9/07/2008
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| a lot of jobs nowadays have compolsory drug testing, if these guys are being tested and paying taxes to support beificeries then benifiseries should be tested before they reciev that money |
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By: fitzco@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| frank you started this thread and its been going on FOREVER.Got any solutions yet? |
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By: shonapalu@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| LOL i like your idea cole ... |
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By: kelly.sefton@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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frank.peg you seem to complain but not offer any practical suggestions (f)or solutions. I would be happy if the Govt (in whatever form that might take party-wise) put their foot down and said thats it, we've all milked the cow long enough, no more, all benefits cancelled - take all the treaty settlement funds and carve it up into cash payouts for all those of Maori descent (rather than leaving it for a few in positions of power to fritter away on bad investments or schemes/systems to benefit a few and not all descendants), heres a fist full of cash do with it what you will but dont come back with your hand out because theres no more until you turn 65 and qualify for super.
- put some sort of pre-requisite on any sort of benefit that you must have worked for x amount of time and contributed at least x in tax dollars so really you are only claiming back what you have already paid, and not other peoples contributions (which might stop school leavers becoming career DPB-ers as an income source, and newcomers to NZ migrating straight to the dole or sickness benefit but not much further)
- up the Govt kiwisaver contribution to a reasonable sum ($5k or $10k) to be paid at birth to an account that cant be withdrawn from but can be added to - lets get a "saving" ethic back rather than a "tick it up" one which we seem to have at the mo - that account not available for each person to access until they turn 18 and if they chose to pi$$ it up the wall or make babies so be it, theres no benefits so you might need to learn to think ahead and budget for your future. Or pay your student loan off.
- flag the tax cuts and give us a lump sum xmas bonus instead - $10 a week tax cut gets eaten up in everyday living but $500 a year (or say $10p/w for each week during the year which you have been employed) at Xmas would be more useful and actually mean something to the average family, if you added it to your savings bank account cor by the time you are 30 like me you'd have a truckload |
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By: harry.jess@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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TAX relief? what so you can buy an extra bottle of milk per week??
and yep stevoc it is extremely hard to fire somebody but perhaps you need to get a bit smarter on how you hire people. plenty of people get around it by hiring people on fixed-term contracts ... if by the end of it they're no good, get rid of them. |
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By: harry.jess@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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and lol@shutting Maori up with payouts
good luck |
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By: chegscassidy
10/07/2008
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| As an x budget advisor just drive around the low income area's propped up by Winz $ see how many have hungry cold children while they buy disposable nappies (too lazy to wash cloth ones) smoke, gamble, drink, Latest TV's. Sky,Cars to name a few. Homes that are pigstyes while their children (who the benefit was created for) still go hungry & cold and resort to crime. There is no poverty in New Zealand. Only lazy selfish ungrateful no hopers that need to be cracked down on & family assistance for folk earning $60000 yr abolished |
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By: grboxell@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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Ah; that is just the tip of the iceberg: you should see the debts they have from working whilst getting a benefit or living in a marraige type relationship whilst claiming DPB.
many of teh things you quote are in fact repayable, when you can get the money back off them that5 is. A question you should ask is why can Beneficiaries, and even non-Beneficiaries whose credit is so bad no one will lend them money, get interest free HP & other loans when you, a worker with a good credit rating can't. |
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By: obrienke28
10/07/2008
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| Hey now that is not stupid. It seems that I have to be drug tested in my job and can be at anytime. So why not a random test on beneficiaries as well. seems fair to all,those who work for a living those who cant and those in temporary embarrasment. It would soon sort out those on a sickness benefit who line up to sell there methadone etc. In jail a druggy gets to have the meth programme continue. If you are an alcoholic cold turkey. It goes back to the original question/answer give a benefit to those who deserve. Give the bludgers NOTHING. After all i believe we all care enough to give a hand up not a hand out. come on people can we get on focus and all agree that is what is wanted/needed & not politic it with side issues. |
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By: larc@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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| yes we do and as a practicing christian , i will gladly pay more of my tax to fund anyone who has no job or is sick or needs help. because people , its only money and at the end of the day, a gold lined coffin isnt going to do anybody any good, but some where sometime a dime in the right place can work miracles. |
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By: rufjak@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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| as a practicing capitalist pig, i am also happy to have tax money go to people in need. Sure, there are plenty who rip off the system, thats the price of assisting those who really need it. |
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By: tokoroajaq
10/07/2008
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a good thing to remember in all of this discussion is that a community is only as strong as its weakest link. Therefore we do need to support the poor / sick etc and by bringing them into a better place we are in fact helping all of society.
Eg. Lets just pretend for a minute that we do what some of you have suggested and totally cut the benefit. Who will suffer??? All of us!!! Crime etc will be rampant. |
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By: vubogu@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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| In days in the not too distant past our Granparents would have been too ashammed to say they didn't have a job, there was no DPB etc in those days.They produced all they could to feed the family,worked at any job possible even if it was just for meat instead of money.They were a proud people who would have relished a job at McDonalds on minimum wage just to say they had a job.Either get educated or get out there & look harder all you dole bludgers, I for one am sick of supporting those who don't try hard enough!! |
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By: nomaza66
10/07/2008
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Yes vobu you are so right about our Grand parents, I know my Grandparents worked and worked, they knew what hard graft was. They all went thru what is known as a Depression, also a war. I would hazzard a guess that few people that have posted here (including myself) (excluding retired people) would have even been thru war or Depression.
Steveoc I know what you are on about, these days its all for the workers, have to pay when they are sick, cant see how there is productivity in that when we have to call in a part timer and pay them as well as the guy whos off sick? |
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By: powley9
10/07/2008
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| why dont you have them on what they do what they get contracts then save bleating about that then wont it. |
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By: tokoroajaq
10/07/2008
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| Keep in mind also that in grandparents days people werent greedy. They did enough work to survive and didn't need fancy equipment all through their homes etc. One wage per family was enough .... Many of you have proudly stated the long hours you and your partners work. If everyone worked a 40 hour week / per family their would be enough work for everyone and dole could be abolished. Then their would be no question about people not having jobs. In places like Tokoroa their simply isn't the jobs here for everyone. Its just a fact. |
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By: nigelcra@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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you say that everything bar food grants is paid back but isnt it paid back out of your benefit so a win win for the bludgersbut not so good for the ones going out looking for a job in a car that probably has no rego warrent or petrol,i dont see to many of these persons complaining as they are probably out walking the beat trying to get ahead
for those of you doing that good on you as i know from experience it is not easy keep up the effort and sooner or later something will turn up |
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By: thebstard
10/07/2008
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You all seem happy to bash people on the dole who turn down work at Mcdonalds and other fast food outlets, saying that they are stealing your hard earned wages.But stop and think for a moment,if we keep allowing successive govts to force vast numbers of people to take jobs with ridiculously low wages,no job security, no chance of advancement,no union protection,and shift changes at short notice,how long will it be before these same abuses creep into other work places?
Make no mistake it is the stated policy of ALL of nzs political partys to work together with unelected(but very powerful) buisiness orientated lobby groups to create a cheap and " flexable" workforce.This policy is not aimed at just unskilled workers,we see in the trades a huge effort to lower wages by suddenly increasing the number of apprentices and continuing attempts to deregister trade work.The govt has also opened the door to trades people from other countries to come here. These polices are designed to keep us the average nzer too busy struggling to make ends meet,to see how we have been divided thus allowing ourselves to be used.
It should be noticed that the gap in incomes between the lower and middle "classes" is closing while the upper end is disappearing into the clouds |
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