By: ellidarr
8/07/2008
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| seedykiwi - I like the way you can differentiate between those who don't have a choice and need support, and those who dont care if they bludge! I'm on an invalids benefit but DON'T WANT TO BE, I was entitled to it for a number of years, but didn't want to accept that I had a medical condition that would stop me from taking care of myself and family, didn't want the stigma or having to answer, what do you do for a job with, `I don't work' - in the end I had no choice. I haven't driven for 7 years and am in my mid 30's, but I'm not giving up and have recovered to the point where I'll be back on my feet during the year |
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By: smokedemducks@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| thats just an emergency one not the regular weekly payment |
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By: frank.peg@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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Hey if you go back to the first entry this is actually aimed at the people abusing WINZ, I realise there is a need for them and I dont think anyone would disagree.
What most of us get fed up with is paying for the overdue phone bill that they purchaesed a mobile phone on, the power bill that they spent the money on the pokies instead of the bill etc etc.
It is not aimed at the people who have had unfortunate
circumstances, I certainley do not mean you if you are one of those people. |
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By: ellidarr
8/07/2008
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| Sorry mate, my misunderstanding. |
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By: fitzco@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| If... people who are capable of work don't bother because they think fat-cat kiwis should pay for them to live without working, (not realising that fat-cats don't pay tax anyway cause they're avoiders/evaders,and it's your average hard-working petrol-poor Tom who's actually supporting them) And.. People who genuinely can't work feel ashamed?(Why!?!)Then... isn't it time for a little public re-education? Maybe we need a Ministry for Positive Propoganda?;) |
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By: ellidarr
8/07/2008
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| pagan - have an early night and change your I.D, its dominated the site for most of the day, oh yeah, "Empty vessels make the most sound" |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
8/07/2008
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Simply solution: Reintroduce the Work for the Dole scheme so that the lazy people who have no reason to be unemployed are doing something useful for society rather than just bluding off it.
I'm sure that those on the benefit genuinly will have no problems with working for their money. Those who are on it cos they can't be bothered getting a job are the ones who will have the problems.
Even better, the tax payer SAVES money because its cheap labour for community work that needs to be done. |
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By: noblok@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| Can't you just hear the PC brigade bleeting already??? It's demeaning to send the unemployed out to clean graffiti off walls, picking rubbish up off streets...then the call will go out for them to be paid the standard $12 per hour min - I suppose that's fair IF working - mate could even hire a few to drive around each day picking the one's up that can't/don't drive...as for those that "don't do mornings" how bout we hire a few to hold the torches so they can work the hours that suit.... |
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By: powley9
8/07/2008
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| come on chriss it costs a fortune for the whip hands to set up such programs its been done before and failed |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
8/07/2008
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Powley:
If it failed before then they didn't do it right. Unless you are genuinly unable to work (eg. Invalids) then you have no right to take my money so you can watch TV all day. |
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By: powley9
8/07/2008
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| yes that right but last time those schemes just turned into circuses, and just whose jobs are they going to take over not yours i hope |
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By: pagan_man_1
8/07/2008
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| ellidarr nothing i originally said was aimed at you ..you were the one who started in on me ..i said and i state againb those on unemployment who dont need to be are abusing the system i also stated that there was a real need for the invalids and sickness benefit maybe read all posts next time.. because i was not intending to insult you |
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By: jackie.ras@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| Pagan you insulted many people today with your generalisations. Time you got out there and did some REAL research on the lives of the people that are on benefits. Its not quiet as glamerous for them as you describe. |
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By: pagan_man_1
8/07/2008
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| not once did i say it was glamorous what i said was 80% of people on an unemployment benefit are abusing the system |
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By: fitzco@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| 80%? what reliable source did you derive that figure from, Pagan? |
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By: pagan_man_1
8/07/2008
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| yeah it was in the paper not long back that around 80% who claim dont really need to |
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By: jerry_springer_room
8/07/2008
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| You New Zealanders make me laugh, its like you are all fighting over whats left over a dead Carcass (which is New Zealand). You guys are like car crash TV. |
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By: powley9
8/07/2008
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| better than pomarania sprigger |
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By: jackie.ras@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| Pagan don't believe everything you read and then elaborate on it with fiction. You really need to get back to your dozens of kids and leave society alone! |
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By: pagan_man_1
8/07/2008
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| i am society |
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By: jackie.ras@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| well then learn the social grace of society by loving your fellow man and not judging those in difference circumstances to yourself. The fact is that its the minority that rip systems off not the majority. |
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By: fitzco@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| Mr Room: We're not fighting OVER our sad little country, we're fighting FOR it.(waves small nz flag, sings national anthem in English and Maori) |
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By: pagan_man_1
8/07/2008
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| look i have a right to my own opinion.. as do you ,however yes i get absolutely furious at ppl who expect handouts never once did i say it was everybody...however here is an example for my husband this week who could only work 46hrs due to the weather a gross of $790 then tax of $173 was taken off do these dole bludging beneficaries have money taken off them due to bad weather the ansewr is no..but what do we see for our high taxes.. 26 rubbish bags a year and the odd pothole fixed and then the rest is paying unemployment benefits |
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By: jackie.ras@xtra.co.nz
8/07/2008
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| bla bla bla... give it a rest now. We know your thoughts and its just too bad that you have so much to gripe about in your personal life. I know people that can hardly put butter on their bread thay moan less than you and they give away what little they have to even less fortunate people. Stop comparing yourself with others and stop being the victim and enjoy what you have. |
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By: pagan_man_1
8/07/2008
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| lol not once did i gripe about my personal life and as for giving i do my fair share trust me |
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