By: boooo48
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KO WIKITORIA te Kuini o Ingarani i tana mahara atawai ki nga Rangatira me nga Hapu o Nu Tirani i tana hiahia hoki kia tohungia ki a ratou o ratou rangatiratanga me to ratou wenua, a kia mau tonu hoki te Rongo ki a ratou me te Atanoho hoki kua wakaaro ia he mea tika kia tukua mai tetahi Rangatira – hei kai wakarite ki nga Tangata maori o Nu Tirani – kia wakaaetia e nga Rangatira Maori te Kawanatanga o te Kuini ki nga wahikatoa o te wenua nei me nga motu – na te mea hoki he tokomaha ke nga tangata o tona Iwi Kua noho ki tenei wenua, a e haere mai nei.
Na ko te Kuini e hiahia ana kia wakaritea te Kawanatanga kia kaua ai nga kino e puta mai ki te tangata Maori ki te Pakeha e noho ture kore ana.
Na kua pai te Kuini kia tukua a hau a Wiremu Hopihona he Kapitana i te Roiara Nawi hei Kawana mo nga wahi katoa o Nu Tirani e tukua aianei amua atu ki te Kuini, e mea atu ana ia ki nga Rangatira o te wakaminenga o nga hapu o Nu Tirani me era Rangatira atu enei ture ka korerotia nei. |
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Ko te tuatahi
Ko nga Rangatira o te wakaminenga me nga Rangatira katoa hoki ki hai i uru ki taua wakaminenga ka tuku rawa atu ki te Kuini o Ingarani ake tonu atu – te Kawanatanga katoa o o ratou wenua.
Ko te tuarua
Ko te Kuini o Ingarani ka wakarite ka wakaae ki nga Rangitira ki nga hapu – ki nga tangata katoa o Nu Tirani te tino rangatiratanga o o ratou wenua o ratou kainga me o ratou taonga katoa. Otiia ko nga Rangatira o te wakaminenga me nga Rangatira katoa atu ka tuku ki te Kuini te hokonga o era wahi wenua e pai ai te tangata nona te Wenua – ki te ritenga o te utu e wakaritea ai e ratou ko te kai hoko e meatia nei e te Kuini hei kai hoko mona.
Ko te tuatoro
Hei wakaritenga mai hoki tenei mo te wakaaetanga ki te Kawanatanga o te Kuini – Ka tiakina e te Kuini o Ingarani nga tangata maori katoa o Nu Tirani ka tukua ki a ratou nga tikanga katoa rite tahi ki ana mea ki nga tangata o Ingarani.
(signed) William Hobson, Consul and Lieutenant-Governor. |
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By: boooo48
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Na ko matou ko nga Rangatira o te Wakaminenga o nga hapu o Nu Tirani ka huihui nei ki Waitangi ko matou hoki ko nga Rangatira o Nu Tirani ka kite nei i te ritenga o enei kupu, ka tangohia ka wakaaetia katoatia e matou, koia ka tohungia ai o matou ingoa o matou tohu.
Ka meatia tenei ki Waitangi i te ono o nga ra o Pepueri i te tau kotahi mano, e waru rau e wa te kau o to tatou Ariki. |
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By: boooo48
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| what could be more simple....perhaps we could write it in swaheli and then work out the translation from a africaana |
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By: bosons@xtra.co.nz
15/07/2008
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you da man booo..
i bet a few havnt even read either version cheers |
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By: wottheheck@xtra.co.nz
15/07/2008
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| Thanks boo I wish I understood all that but unfortunately I'm pakeha and I didn't get a chance to learn Maori growing up or at school. I wish I had: it's the native language of the county I grew up and live in. It would have been easier to learn young and any argy bargy about whether it should be compulsory or not would by now hopefully be over. What's your point in English? |
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By: wottheheck@xtra.co.nz
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| Sorry, I mean I know that's the Maori Version of the Official English Version of the Treaty. And that there is at least one other version of the Maori articles tranlsated back into English, with a completely different meaning. That happens a lot with translations in any languages. I guess your point is both sides had different understandings of what they were agreeing to. And that's why the settlement processes are so important. Despite what one might think from some of these posts, I think there are many, many people on both sides making "full and final" treaty settlements with the genuine hope & intent of resolving our differences in the fairest way possible so we can move forward together. |
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By: imwatchingyou@xtra.co.nz
15/07/2008
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| In most cases a glance at the situation results in the same misguided assumption that the difficulties behind the TOW revolve around a transalational discrepancy. The very difference in translation has been established as the very motive for the document itself. There is nothing accidental or innocent about the origins and circumstances surrounding the signing of the TOW or the DOI |
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By: donods@xtra.co.nz
15/07/2008
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| I know sweet F All and want to know even less about it. |
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By: imwatchingyou@xtra.co.nz
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| Was all too obvious from the outset donods. |
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By: powley9
15/07/2008
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| like the MAJORITY of the country donads |
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By: imwatchingyou@xtra.co.nz
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| Agreed powley you are definitely NOT one of the educated minority |
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By: powley9
15/07/2008
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| if the boot was on the other foot do you think the treaty would be honoured not on you nelly we would have been eaten or enslaved. |
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By: imwatchingyou@xtra.co.nz
15/07/2008
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| "not on you nelly"? lmbao sorry grandpa if i had known you were actually there when it was signed I wouldn't have assumed your ignorance was a matter of choice. |
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By: philliphunter64
15/07/2008
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| yeah i no what the treaty means its a wast off tax payer money maori shud hit the royal family up for payouts nt wrkn nzders i stinks people have had enuff of maori bulls@#t money carnt buy ur manna . |
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By: imwatchingyou@xtra.co.nz
15/07/2008
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| prob is phil it is not the crown in england who continue to be enriched by stolen land. |
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By: lando.garner
15/07/2008
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| bingo imwatch. therein lies the problem we have to deal with |
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By: saintinistic
16/07/2008
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all I know about the treaty is that is is a fraud. the Maori admit they immigrated here too, so they have no claims on the land. no one does really. they were conquered by the scummy British through warfare of the pen.
it would be like buying a house of a squatter who didnt own it in the first place.
the squatter has the last laugh. |
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By: saintinistic
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and England signed away any means of fault when we applied for independent governance. It was written that we cannot apply to the UK for compensation or direst legal blame... damn fine print. so the early government signed the deal that ensured NZ had to deal with any problems arising from land issues and Maori unrest, and not the British who started it all.
once again, short sighted governments strike again. |
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By: hoanikai
16/07/2008
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have been wanting to write on this posting for awhiles now
personally i dont know much about the workings of the treaty
however as 5th generation new zealander of celtic and hawaiian heritage i have taken it upon myself to read as much as i can relating to the exploration and settlement of the pacific
one outstanding book i think should be made compulsory reading for all new zealanders especially immigrants is the penguin history of nz by michael king
other reading should include trial of the cannibal dog
there are many others
anyhow my point is
we are an emerging nation
onePEOPLE
oneLOVE
oneGROOVE
e aloha kekahi i kekahi
love one another
kotahi tatau |
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By: tgod_123
19/07/2008
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| Squattng!!, using that thinking no one owns any land in NZ as it was "attained" from people who had no claim to it! So might is right and you just take it and start calling it your own - hold on isnt that what happened?? |
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By: juzzkirk
19/07/2008
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yip thats right .....and then an agreement was struck between one claiment and another.....oh and
Caveat emptor
Latin for "Let the buyer beware." The idea that buyers take responsibility for the condition of the items they purchase and should examine them before purchase. This is especially true for items that are not covered under a strict warranty. |
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By: terence.rist
19/07/2008
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| i know this much its an outdated piece histoy that has no relivance in todays new zealand ...end of story!!!!!!ps |
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By: cristalbaul
19/07/2008
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What a question - I have a copy of the treaty & it does not require a tutor to espouse it or take a rocket scientist to read & understand it.
One question that it does NOT cover: The document as signed by the maori of the day was an agreement to exclusively allow British subjects to emigrate to New Zealand. That being the case, WHO authorised other nationalities to also permanently enter/gain citizenship ? That document certainly did not !!. |
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By: cristalbaul
19/07/2008
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AS I see it, any difference in translations between the English and maori versions is fraudulent, non existant & expedient to those that seek personal gain via varying interpretations.
As Maori had no written language, the european wrote both versions and despite court decisions, thereby intended them to have the same interpretation. |
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