By: its_muzz_again
2/07/2009
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| Does it have fins? |
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By: powley9
2/07/2009
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| tiny ones |
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By: datagarble
2/07/2009
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| Its got one of those parachute thingys to stop it. |
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By: srvjau
2/07/2009
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| GOt 12 grand AUS/ My mechanic over here is looking to unload a '68 pontiac Le Mans With all its spareparts to get back on the road. Body's done, Engine's done, original with mods He's already got 2 adn a coupla vette stingrays |
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By: datagarble
2/07/2009
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| a bargain,wonder how much to ship it over? |
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By: alamein001
2/07/2009
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| data... careful get a contract signed first |
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By: alamein001
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| muzz never lied yet! |
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By: srvjau
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Wouldnt be much data, long as the car cant be started when you ship it, you can get around most of the import taxes.
The car is great, I saw it on the road before he did it up. It used to be white, I think it's black now. Four door.
I tried to get the coupe out of him, but he wont let it go
He will also throw in a whole heap of parts |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
2/07/2009
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Haha Ala:
Finally the difference between a racist and bigot is wide I have always stated Im not a racist. Bigot most definitely!
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Hahaha and that is what I love about ya, warts and all lol! |
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By: deecee4@xtra.co.nz
2/07/2009
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Alamein
If land was genuinely stolen or confisgated, then this is being remedied by the treaty process. Just promise us that when all this is finished, the Maori people won't be back for more when the money runs out! |
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By: teoneroaatohe
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| with a name like rakete you gotta be ngapuhi grrrrrrrrrrrr LoL !!! |
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By: watacrakup
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| oh shut up deec....yawnyawnyawnyawny awnyawnyawnyawnyawnyawn |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
3/07/2009
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| To understand land issues in regards to Maori, ratification processes are set in place, etc.. is it really possible to have all the issues solved, probably not, justice processes in regards to Maori enmasse, perse, are a reality and of course not all as usual even have an inkling or an understanding, that these processes are set down by the CROWN, with supposed partnership of the Iwi (tribe) involved, ... when will it end?? when it ends!! some are still going through the processes now, ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN A FREAKIN DAY!! grievance yes! and some however do manage to work through the quagmire, that is legaslative laws that determine an outcome .. partnership, hmm interesting word , do you not think??? Pai Marire. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
3/07/2009
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| i.e. that are legislative laws?? |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
3/07/2009
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Ratification -
Strategic developmental processes post iwi settlements etc.. like in transition ..heard of this process, do we all understand it, no not really one would suppose, so hey grin and bear it because many do, it is real time that matters,not cyber time where the perpetuated nonsense, is depicted daily, like i give a freakin rats a rse, put up in real time or shut up ... go for broke! some usually do, and no not the gravy train outfit, that supposedly exists, for some!!! |
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By: tu_tangata
3/07/2009
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eatmed- first time I have looked at this thread - . by the heading I thought some maori were threatening some kind of military coup so I didnt bother. clicked on by mistake so I read the original post - and yeah - I do not agree with what you say they intend doing re home invasion - If anyone did that to me and my family in my home I would not like it.
They could easily make their point by protesting at the courts where the judges work.
Judges do have a lot to answer for - as do the lawmakers - the biased use of exercise of discretion as is provided to them under certain laws - is the major source of prejudice as exits in laws pertaining to maori.
Also, maori kaumatua have a lot to answer for - they simply have not been up to the game - and it is a game - a game of 'supremacy' - and maori have been as much the major contributor in their poor performance to date as has been non maori.
As I have said before - maori are their own worst enemy.
Should all of the principles of common law, property law, criminal law, commercial law - be applied in the game - as per the terms of the treaty and the theft / missappropriation of resources - the treaty itself would be enshrined in the laws of this country, and all lands and resources (other than those which were subject to a bill os sale without objection by maori) - would be returned to maori, simply by the application of such principles of law, and by the just and equitable application/ administration of relevent laws.
Maori have good reason to focus on the courts and those responsible for the administration of justice in this land and as far as the Privvy Council.
But the private home of a judge is not a component of the legal system. |
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By: alamein001
3/07/2009
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| yeah shut up decee bc |
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By: powley9
3/07/2009
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| thats a pathetic offering this morning ali |
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By: alamein001
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stand..... and be counted.... all protests have a root cause.
I see the Legislative Chambers and Judges as that root cause.
The Legislators in making laws tend to have an underlying reason for making them but dont set a criteria how they should be carried out.
Judges who do the sentencing fail to have uniformity in those sentences. It appears one judges interpretation differs from another as in the father who punched his 4 year old in the head for not listening and another who flicked his child with his fingers. The sentences in two different courts were totally different.
Furthermore, the same judicial system has a widely unfavourable view on Maori crimes. Having spent a year in a city court in observation I have seen the exact same crimes being given a more benign sentence.
The one thing that I dont agree with TUTANGATA on is that Maori are their own worst enemy. I challenge that statement because there is no elaboration, just a statement as if fact
Equitable application of the law has never been fair or honest for Maori in the matter of their stolen and confiscated lands.
The Treaty may get its place in NZ law but I doubt it ever happening as long as we cling to Westminster Law
As for the statement made earlier would all land claims and Settlements current and past be the end of it. I for one certainly hope so, even though it has been totally and unfairly administered by the Legislators. Yet, a hundred years from now none of us will be here. |
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By: alamein001
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| morena nga morehu... ata marie e powley... yeah right |
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By: tu_tangata
3/07/2009
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But maori have also failed to use the law well - the treaty claims process is the prime example.
Whereas a non maori has a grievance against anyone involving title and or tenure of property and financial redress for any reason - the non maopri simply lodges an application with the high court for any amounts as small as $5000 .
Upon such an application - the respondemt is summoned to appear in the High court - bound by all of the laws of the land, then conducts an inquiry, claimant presents evidence - respodent presents rebuttal / defence - court considers evidence, applies the law, makes decision based on principles of law, issues udgement and orders for compliance and enforcement. which is then enforced by officers of the law. in succesful case - the property / cash is recovered where it is located / identified. Title to proerty is restored to the rightful owner.
In case of maori lands - there is no court case - maori lodge a claim with the crown alleging theft of a specific land block - thhe crown is idenntified as the thief who sets up a tribunal to 'investigate' the allegation against himself - there are no laws under which the investigation is conducted - no judge - the maori claimant presents eveidence - the tribunal says yes - YOU WERE ROBBED - the process then provides for the claimant to dissappear from the process and to be replaced by a claimant group usually in the form of an incorporated body but as chosen by the crown - the tribunal then directs the thief to meet with the group it chooses to - and come to an agreement whereby the crown is to ultimately pay some money (however much they want to!) to such incorpiorated body (not necessarily including the maori individual who was robbed) - upon which a group of kaumatua ( not necessarily including the individual robbed) then sign a pardon for the crown and an undertaking no other maori will make any more claims for other lands stolen in the past.
the incorporeated body then spends the cash. |
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By: tu_tangata
3/07/2009
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and keep in mind - the property stolen from the maori is worth billions of doallars !! not just $5000.
where is the equity in that ?
where is the application of property law - i.e. 'no person has any more right to title than the peson from who they recieved it'
where is the application of the principle whereby any property known to have been missapproppriated and identified is to be returned to the rightfull owner - this does not provide for the person who bought it from the theif to keep it ! only when it involves property stolen from maori it seems..
and so maori are not so priviledged and are not given 'favourable treatment' at all.
maori are being discriminated against on a grand scale - and it has cost them billions of dollars and has severely hamndicapped them financially and socuially.
and so the treatyy claims process is a process of deniakl as in the crown never acknowledges specific offences - and it is a process of 'passing go and getting out of jail for free' - and the payment of a pittance for a pardon - and it is process of completely and utterly and completely removing any legal weight the treaty carries - which is considerable if not paramount legal weight.
I wait for the day when one individual maori has the guts to take a single claim to the High Court - and for the High Court to conduct a normal hearing as it does several times every day of the week.
Then non maori will wish they never ever comlained about the treaty settlement process - for it is the very process which is standing between them and the return of property occupied by them - to the legiitimate maori owners.
and so in this regard - the crown is the agent acting on behalf of all non maori and maori who are occupying property stolen from maori - the pittance is being paid by the crown from the coffers of non maori to secure their ill gotten gains !
that is the fact of the matter - irrefutable.
'settlement' is a good thing for non maori |
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By: bellebyrds
3/07/2009
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Tangata do maori need to go (through the courts) the individual thief rather than the collective thief?
The crown is obviously a slippery eel? |
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By: alamein001
3/07/2009
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tu.... ahh yes now it is clearer. Maori in their land claims are not their own worst enemy. What you clearly laid out as due process is exactly right.... do the folk out here know that process sometimes takes 20 years from start to finish!
The Legislators as you pointed out are the prime cause for the slowness of settlements. It is they who insist that Maori form Business and Social structures before they will even consider a claim with few exceptions.
The Tribal entity can not reimburse my family for stolen lands because of the peculiarity of a Legislative directives. In other words it is caught up in a Tribal settlement for the good of present and future generations.
So my family lose twice!
Unlike mainstream grievances that goes through the land courts and gets appropriate redress more quickly.
Act Leader Richard Prebble years ago suggested Treaty claims should go before the courts. That idea was trashed by one and all... in the meantime millions of taxpayers money has gone to the Waitangi Tribunal that has no mana or clout under the law. |
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By: eatme_nz
3/07/2009
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good morning folks :)
Thanks for posting, tu tangata. I appreciate your thoughts. I'm glad you (unlike many others) got the point I was making in the threads first post.
Regardless of maori land claims, and the value of them, the fact is invading judges homes is not going to do anybody any good at all. I have to admit I dont know enough detail about maori history (i thought i did, but after being on here for a couple of months, i see i know NOTHING!) to know wether treaty settlements are fair or not. The radicals who misbehave to that extent will only help the 'undecided' like me take the assumption that settlements arent deserved. Its a simplistic view but one that many non maori NZ'ers will share because they aren't prepared to research the facts. These radicals, and the media coverage they get are all the general public will have to go on.
Maori should be the ones to bring these idiots into line, and Hone Harawira especially needs to learn some PR skills.
Cheers. |
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