By: capscor57
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| Kia ora Hine x |
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By: jacquenoire
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| i don't totally agree with you bored. maori have been settled tribe by tribe in most of the settlements. therefore it is the responsibility of each tribe to eventually empower their iwi with settlement benefits. eventually being the operative word. tainui who have been settled for quite some time have released very little funds to date to their people and it will be decades before funds are released for their people in any significant quantities. the worst of it is, because maori tribes don't get along with each other (one race?) they have been settled separately. these tribal settlement entities are just big businesses and some will succeed and some will go broke. that is the nature of business. so the tribes that fail in business will be second class citizens to the people of the tribes that succeed |
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| stop licking gary, it makes your appeal to be believed unbelievable. |
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| jacq,Dont get confussed between licking and sucking,either way,both should be followed with a swallow. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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| Ka nui te pai GB Wills! Yeeaahh....NO probs Gee man, I got ya back eh hahaha lol!! However, had you been around in my warrior days might have been a different story. But I'm a lady now, summer lady hahahaha lol!! |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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| Caps! Still looking at us through the one eye eh, don't you need your specs?? Haha lol!! |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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these tribal settlement entities are just big businesses and some will succeed and some will go broke. that is the nature of business. so the tribes that fail in business will be second class citizens to the people of the tribes that succeed
Jacqueniore: I like what you just posted, that's interesting indeed but not really how it works. The big tribes who have done well in their settlements do work with the smaller tribes who are still working through their settlements. That's the nature of Maoridom. |
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By: capscor57
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don't totally agree with you bored. maori have been settled tribe by tribe in most of the settlements. YES
therefore it is the responsibility of each tribe to eventually empower their iwi with settlement benefits.
YES
eventually being the operative word.
YES
tainui who have been settled for quite some time have released very little funds to date to their people and it will be decades before funds are released for their people in any significant quantities.
YES...BUT THERE ARE SCHOLARSHIPS NOW AVAILABLE FOR THOSE TAINUI WHO WISH TO AND ARE ABLE TO TAKE THE BEST ADVANTAGE OF THEM. TAINUI IS MOVING FAST TO BUILD UP THEIR BUSINESS ASSETS/ACUMEN(AFTER THE INITIAL DEBACLE) AND THEY ARE SUCCEEDING
the worst of it is, because maori tribes don't get along with each other (one race?) TRUE TO A POINT,,AND REMEMBER JACQ, WE MAORI NEVER IDENTIFIED BY RACE, BUT BY OUR IWITANGA
they have been settled separately. these tribal settlement entities are just big businesses and some will succeed and some will go broke. I THINK THAT IS FAIR COMMENT
that is the nature of business. so the tribes that fail in business will be second class citizens to the people of the tribes that succeed NOT QUITE TRUE..WILL NEVER BE SECOND CLASS, BUT CERTAINLY PITIED AND POSSIBLY ASSISTED
THANK YOU JACQ (-: |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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| Exactly Caps, kia ora!! |
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By: datagarble
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| I'm a lady too hine.:-) |
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By: bigpumpkin22
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| Hey Mr Brotato ass, where have ya been ...:-) |
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By: capscor57
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Kia ora Pumpkin,
Had me kids over last night making preps for my daughters 21st...Today???? Had to freakin' work...Well no...I decided to work. Had enough of relief teaching...Going back full time next term
Chur |
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By: bigpumpkin22
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| Don't over extend yourself mate,,Work is truly overrated as a pass time.. |
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By: jacquenoire
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| hine i believe there is a very real risk of at least one possibly two tribes going broke. you look at any ten businesses over a ten year period, at least 3 will fail and go into recievership. i really believe maori made an error and missed an opportunity by not settling with one massive settlement for all maori. it wasn't that long ago that tainui had a very large loss ($10,000,000) in an oz investment. another tribe just recently (a small one) lost millions in a property development deal in which richard prebble was also a shareholder. a couple of years ago a tribe from up north lost money in bottled water project. don't get me wrong, i do believe most tribes will be successful but as with business some will fail, that is the nature of the beast. i worry for the iwi that will lose their hard-earned and long waited for wealth |
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By: its_muzz_again
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Therein lies the problem jac. Maori are (proudly) tribal. Once all is "settled" then begins the sh!tfight to be best/biggest/richest/grea test. I have no idea how many tribes etc there are, but there are simply not enough wise and business experienced people to handle that amount of $$$ spread over that many entities. And for that reason alone, a huge bundle of settlement is going to disappear. Add the shysters (BOTH races) who will smell a fantastic opportunity, and another big bundle will disappear. Tainui, after their stumble, are getting their act together. The interesting thing will be to see whether other tribes seek their advice and guidance (since they've already made the mistakes) or simply plough on ahead - believing they know better. What I suspect is tribal pride will make a big portion of the tribes go it alone. And end up with a lot less than they started with.
Were "pakeha" to intervene and assist/guide these investment strategies, it would be regarded as paternalistic. So we must sit and watch - for better or worse - and see some lose. On the flip side, based purely on averages, some will do spectacularly well. And when they do, we run into the problem of disbursements to beneficiaries. And another sh!tfight.
I think that settlements, rather than being a benefit, will be a problem - for both races. And there is no way around it but to plough ahead.
How's that for one honky's opinion? |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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Data:
I'm a lady too hine.:-)
Cheers! Wouldn't have guessed from your warrior days either haha!! |
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By: alamein001
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Tena koe dds.... Form? No comments from you cheez no pleasing you?
However, it seems when Maori had no Settlements no one cared... as soon as they do all the ratats and doodles want to tell them how they should run their own business.
Fact is anyone starting a businesses only 5% will actually succeed. That is a whopping 95% who wont succeed.
No one can say who will and wont succeed.
In the last few years many Pakeha businesses have gone to the wall. Some had been well established for over 20 years others were fly-by-nighters. Many finance companies and the meat industry, farmers, builders, developers and follow on jobs. The unique thing lies in iwi supporting iwi wherever possible they do.
As for the coq-a-doodle & others mind your own damned business and leave Maori to find theirs. So what mistakes occur and one learns an expensive lesson. We all do when in business.
I celebrate their successes as opposed to their failures.
In reality the Settlements are a pittance compared to the actual wealth of stolen and confiscated lands. |
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By: capscor57
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Kia ora Muzz,
Honky speaks wise!!..
There will be some failures and I suspect some spectacular ones... I only hope that our Iwi isn't one of them...Already tho', we are talking of bringing outside (Pakeha/Whoever) assistance to guide and
advise... We have to if the expertise does not exist amongst our own...
We don't want to suffer the scrutiny that Tainui endured....
What I do believe tho' is a one-off and final settlement..If it's squandered...Too bad!!! No second bite at the cherry.. |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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Kia Ora Jacqueniore, that is truly food for thought. Here's my thoughts. Too many Maori organisations are run by Maori families like the Cartels, except not enough at the top have the right qualifications or business acumen to benefit anybody other than themselves. I agree, alot of Maori organisations won't survive unless they hire their top management based on credentials and not whakapapa lines.
Went to a marae to use the computers one day and was dismayed at the excess amount of staff on the management committee. All of them driving BMW's, such a waste of resources for the amount of work they do and the benefits that flow on to the iwi. But I'm a Maori and I've lived this first hand. If you try to say the same, you better run for cover hahaha lol! |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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Jaqueinore:
do believe most tribes will be successful but as with business some will fail, that is the nature of the beast. i worry for the iwi that will lose their hard-earned and long waited for wealth
Yup, that's exactly what keeps me awake at night too and why I chose the profession I've chosen. My dad used to go in to corrupt Maori organisations after they'd basically bankrupted themselves and turn them around. Copped alot of slack for it over the years, but at his tangi the same Maori who had ganged up on him in his work had nothing but beautiful things to say about him. Because they knew he had rescued their corrupt little butts from ruins hahaha lol! |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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Caps:
What I do believe tho' is a one-off and final settlement..If it's squandered...Too bad!!! No second bite at the cherry..
Hopefully not though ay, sheez we're such a small race I hope we can all band together under a common cause and use our collective minds for the betterment of Maori. :-)) |
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By: alamein001
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muzz... How do you know there are not enough wise business or experienced people among Maori? Do you have first hand knowledge my friend?
Funny isnt it lots of non-Maori are concerned with how Maori spend their own money. You would not like me telling you how to spend yours or waste too much on the tipple or do this and that. One it would be a waste of time and two non of my damn business!
Yep sit and watch just like we all did when our super money went down the gurgler. Pay ACC $168 out of $217 to register our vehicle. Watch the govt pay millions for NZRail to see its worth halved in a year.....BNZ, AIRNZ, TVNZ and 9 million for a stupid Party Park in downtown AK
Now my friend these are they who are supposed to have the best brains in business working for us the tax payer. The bloody check of the honky dorries.
Hows that for a tuturu hori view? |
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By: vrybored37
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| MOney should be split amongst every living relative of that iwi. Only way any of them will ever get to see any of it. A scholarship here and there won't help many. The ones that need it don't stay in school that long anyway. |
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By: its_muzz_again
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ala
Read my post again. It said there weren't enough people...not maori..."people". That must put my post in a different text? |
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By: hine_raumati@xtra.co.nz
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My tuturu Maori view:
I am going to roar at my iwi and demand authority and accountability! Just like my father did, and I will not be compromised :-)) |
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