By: kev353
9/07/2008
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Hey Barks,
When you use phrases such as "wanted to string the animal up" you expose yourself as someone who wanted to join the army and go to war but maybe hesitated too long...
Ever seen a human strung up like an animal? I did, in the former Yugoslavia 1993 - 1994 as a military observer seconded to the United nations UNPROFOR peacekeeping force.
Conflict to the human race is a natural process that dominates our existance. Males hunt and females nurture and gather. In times of conflict between tribes the observed niceties are pushed aside and the tribes take by force what they can (hunger,thirst,greed,insa nity etc)...such justified violence has shaped human society more than any other force in history to date. The nuclear bomb proved that at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. Those two bombs were war crimes, but no charges were laid because we won with the allied war. How many women and children died in 1945 because of 2 bombs so that you lived barks....hey!! And now you are worried about a guy who has admitted wrong, mate give your wife of 34 years a big hug tonight and tell her you love her no matter what.
There are more occasions than you will ever know when violence erases the problem. I wish it were different, but it hasn't happened in recorded history yet (that I know of).
I used to wonder what use History had for me at school. I now know that it reiterates the fact that we generally don't learn from history - shame eh!
Tony deserves forgiveness because he has shown remorse that was accepted by his former partner. End of story.
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| So Kev353, at what point do we say "no you can't settle this out of court": a simple beating up, broken bones, crippling someone or, what the hell, if I kill someone and their family is ok with it, because he was a scumbag and happy with the money. THIS WAS A CRIMINAL ACT, at the very least GBH. How can you condone that. Will money become the arbiter, so Veitch ho can pay, gets away with it. Sad day in hell when that happens. |
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| So Kev353, at what point do we say "no you can't settle this out of court": a simple beating up, broken bones, crippling someone or, what the hell, if I kill someone and their family is ok with it, because he was a scumbag and happy with the money. THIS WAS A CRIMINAL ACT, at the very least GBH. How can you condone that. Will money become the arbiter, so Veitch ho can pay, gets away with it. Sad day in hell when that happens. |
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| Please dont confuse two different issues Kev. Politicians send us to war for all sorts of reasons and we have little control over what happens in that situation despite genava conventions etc. What we have here is a supposedly reasonably intelligent person, who has only one ultimate means of resolving a domestic situation. By the way stringing him up was metaphorical, but you were obviously jusy trying to get your point across, as was I. |
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By: cameron.kirkwood
9/07/2008
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| I heard Tony Veitch on the radio today. It was the worst point of his life and there are no excuses. YEAH RIGHT!! He then went on to admit the assault and offer the reason that he was tired and stressed(boohoo). He should turn himself into the nearest police station - after all he has publicly admitted assault and the police don't need a complaint to prosecute. |
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By: annette64@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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Agree totally!!!! She must have agreed to the confidentiality thing or it would have come out sooner so why should the public be focussing on making judgement about a man who is brilliantly gifted at the jobs he does when money was her focus??? If he wasn't in high profile jobs we wouldn't have heard about this so while I am totally against violence, we can't help someone who didn't want to help herself!!! Let him get on with his job and life at least he had the guts to front up with a sincere pledge of remorse for his actions.
She doesn't help other women who have been victims by handling it this way either!!!! New start tomorrow!!!! |
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| Sorry Annette, 2 years after the act. His only remorse was in that he had been found out and he wanted to protect his privileged position as the groundswell for action grew. Dont kid yourself that this would ever have happened and I bet you 3 weeks ago he never thought it would. He should be charged now he has admitted it, sentenced, lose his job, then see how remorseful he is when someone in prison decides to crack a few of his vertebrae, or worse. Not that i would condone that either. |
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By: kev353
9/07/2008
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Barks,
The court is an extension of society that exists because we cannot as a rule resolve our grieviences without outside influence. It was not always so, but has become the norm. Look at tribal clans around the world now and see how they solve conflict and crime by undisputed matriarchial or patriachial influence (or both).
Yes under our current law this was a criminal act, however laws change and some societies have no name or sentence for this crime (Islam allows wives to be stoned {this is so much a can of worms} India burns them, UK muslums have served wives up as hamburger meat and you poms have eaten it. Tony has apologised. If you want him to do time then serve up a few scumbags from Islam if you can persuade their corrupt regimes to admit wrong.
Tony has paid his due unlike the directors of 45 finance companies who have ripped off our mums and dads. Lets maybe focus on getting these pillars into prison before the election...instead of someone who paid restitution and made amends of his own accord.
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| Sorry, but again you are confusing totally different things. What happens in Islam, or any other country with different laws to us, has no bearing at all on t5his. We are concerned with the law in NZ now, or are you suggesting that we start to stone adulterous wives. Laws do evolve, but are you trying to say that this will not be a criminal offence at some stage. I dont care that he is a celebrity, never seen him on TV, but have listened to him on radio. No opinion about him at all except that he is about 6 feet lower than shark #$@%. |
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By: madnzcow
9/07/2008
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I don't condone violence...., is he guilty or innocent? We only have one side of the issue here so far.
So until we get all the information, no one should be found guilty through the Yahoo/Xtra News Message Boards "Court of Law" |
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By: madnzcow
9/07/2008
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| Sorry.........Marty McDonnell |
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By: oneandone@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| Get rid of the scum bag. I can not beleive that people are willing to accept and even try tp justify this. He paid you $$$ as she sould not work and to cover up and save himself. She is the VICTIM not the guy that put her in a whellchair. Wake up those who feel sorry for this guy.What of ot was your sister. mother, daugther that he did this too. |
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| Pretty strong police case now that he has ADMITTED the offence. He is guilty and should be arrested. This is not a situation where there is any doubt about guilt. Ther emay be mitigation, but that is for the courts to decide in sentencing him. The fact that he has tried to keep it quiet shows his real remorse. I can't understand why so many people seem to be on his side. He could have killed that girl or crippled her for life. Read the stories, FOUR cracked vertebrae. |
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By: barks_uk
9/07/2008
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| thank you Oneandone. |
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By: oneandone@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| Your welcome. I am truely shocked that poeple can not see this for what it is. A clear and acknowledged case of violence against a woman. He is in the public guy and when you make your money from being know that is why there is a an interest in this. This was a serious assault and should not be tolerated no matter how stressed or sleepy one might be. |
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By: mahann@xtra.co.nz
9/07/2008
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| Wow all you people are really pathetic. Who cares. He made a mistake, he's payed for it, get over it. Let him do his job (which by the way he is bloody good at) and get on with life. |
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By: davemagnz2003
9/07/2008
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Man it must be terrable when we have nothing else better to report about than a private agreement between 2 people.
Yes i agree that he should never have done what he did to his partner, but honestly, 2.5 years later.... sounds like a hungry person to me, leaking stories to the media.
But who really wants to have to pay for him to go into prison for the few months that he would be in there, that is if he doesnt get home dention and the assocated costs.
Violence is wrong to anyone at all, but we have only really seen and heard one side of the story, and really what has it got to do with his employer. If you or I did it we wouldnt loose our job over it, or it probibly wouldnt of made a blimp on the media radar. Give the man a break we all make errors in judgements...... |
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By: shortie2442
9/07/2008
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I do not and cannot excuse or tolerate violence regardless of the circumstances BUT a few of you seem to have lost the plot. We are talking about a woman who was attacked and left (for a time)in a wheelchair, who (supposedly) had a breakdown and was forced to leave her job. She then, seemingly, entered into a financial arrangement with Tony Veitch to keep the whole thing quiet !!! No Police report was ever filed and then as if that isn't bizarre enough an 'unnamed' friend of this poor woman has spilt the beans for a tidy sum no doubt.
Tony Veitch should never have assaulted this woman but if it was a spur of the moment one time thingee then let's not throw the book at him ... instead, we should all pool our resources and get some therapy for his ex. She needs her head examined. ALL of us have, at one time or another, reacted to a situation in ways we're not proud of. Maybe it was a coffee cup smashed to the floor, or a slammed door and anyone who says they haven't done something like that is a liar. Tony's owned up now let the poor man get on with the job he does so well. Come back, Tony, all is forgiven and we miss you. |
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By: shortie2442
9/07/2008
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| If it was my sister or mother I'd EXPECT them to report it, make a fuss and have him hung drawn and quartered but she didn't do this. She accepted a payment from to keep the whole thing hushed up for the sake their careers. Wake up, there are 2 culprits in this. One's fist happy and the other is money hungry. |
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By: naimzintoke
9/07/2008
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| Watching someone go through this is painful. I think Tony is sincere in his efforts to apologise. We all have bad days. I come from a background of physical abuse and it is very hard to deal with. This is his personal business that was sorted years before. No one including people reading would like their own personal lives put in the spotlight. I should know I kept my abuse from my family for years. No one has the right to judge, no one was there that night and no one has the right to put their hands on someone else. There were times when I myself continually pushed my partner until there was no way out but to hit. Everyone one should know when to walk away, including Tony and his ex girl friend. No excuses, but this is his life and for me I will continue to watch him! |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
9/07/2008
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If this was ANYONE else who wasn't in the media then I would be most of you would just say "well hes a dick" and then get on with.
Why should he be treated ANY differently?
If anything we should be applauding the fact that Tony tried to make it up to his ex-partner, under took steps to try and ensure that it didn't happen again. He even told his current wife what had happened.
Who are we to judge him on this when every day this happens in hundreds of homes JUST LIKE OURS. The only reason this is so much different is because hes in the media. Big deal!! |
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By: kenneth.barbara@btopenworld.com
10/07/2008
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| sorry but he has to step down as olympics reporter |
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By: ajalicks
10/07/2008
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| dont spread gosip unless you know it is all true , yes what he did was wrong - but get your facts right 1st |
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By: jr.supports@xtra.co.nz
10/07/2008
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| I AGREE.Tony made a mistake and dealt with it. He was MAN ENOUGH to realise that and sort HELP which MANY men or woman do not. Good on you Tony. Well done for realising that you had a problem and for dealing with it! Perhaps many other men out there who bash their wives and partners could take the same path as Tony did and look for help and go through the progam with the positive attitude that Tony did. Leave these people alone and let them get on with their lives. From a once VERY badly abused lady whose ex thought it was a "sentence and waste of time" to go to councilling. |
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By: jogger7733
10/07/2008
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Veitch tried to buy his way out of this.He hit a woman and no apology or counselling can hide this fact
On ya bike Veitch as a group of rugby players we dont want you on radio sport or TV |
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