By: socialistexposer@xtra.co.nz
24/10/2009
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Muslim Women are meeting in Auckland to discuss Burqas in Auckland. Mr Kahn reckons most NZS dont mind them I believe he is wrong, and doesnt really know what most NZs think!!. We should do what France did and ban them at Government Level.
Women to discuss burqa's place
4:00AM Saturday Oct 24, 2009
By Lincoln Tan
Media reports of criminals wearing the burqa have stigmatised it for Westerners. Photo / Greg BowkerIslamic women are to discuss issues surrounding the wearing of a burqa in a Western society at the first National Muslim Convention in Auckland this weekend.
"There is no argument about the need for Muslim women covering their head and hands," said Auckland Muslim leader and convention organiser Javed Khan, "but there is a division of opinions among Muslim scholars as to whether Islam also requires them to wear a burqa or cover her face."
He said a small minority in New Zealand have issues with Muslim women wearing the burqa, and this is made worse by media reports on terrorism, suicide bombings and people abusing its use.
Mr Khan said there were examples of people using burqas to try to flee authorities and wearing the full veil when committing criminal acts.
A group of eight veiled women were among a group of 10 caught in Indonesia this week with $17 million of methamphetamine.
"Most New Zealanders in general do not have an issue with women wearing the burqa, but we will hear from the Muslim women themselves how it impacts on their lives and their interaction with the wider community," said Mr Khan, who is also the senior vice-president of the Federation of Islamic Associations in New Zealand.
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By: mhol@xtra.co.nz
24/10/2009
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Surely muslim men should be discussing this. Too important to be left to mere women in veils to discuss.
In my view the Burqa represents the women who wear it, as being oppressed and thinking that us men, esp us infidels, regard them as being sex objects rather than their true function as mobile post offices/burger bars for our convenience.
Although I have a trenching tool from the Somme, for my entrenched views, my stretched neck (not reddened) from various other public message bored hangings and rants,I may still be persuaded to turn the other cheek,from the face up obviously, and come to accept it as part of the Silver Ferns dress code in the future. |
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By: ykato4ever
24/10/2009
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| solve crime...ban the burqa...whatever |
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By: kiwi_geofreak
24/10/2009
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| I tend to agree here. I don't think Mr Khan has a clue what most New Zealanders think, and since we - i.e people like you and me - will be subjected to a referendum on it, nor is he ever likely to. |
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By: bellebyrds
24/10/2009
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| Not another 9 million over Burkhas.When a woman has been identified for legal purposes she can put her b burkha back on-now could I please have the 9 million we have saved? |
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By: simonantz
24/10/2009
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| Nothing wrong ...as long as its worn with a micro mini and see thu panties |
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By: shootmcgraw
24/10/2009
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| Stillettos and stockings |
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By: sanjerorupa
24/10/2009
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| Persian women are very beautiful |
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By: kiwi_geofreak
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This isn't about discrimination by the way.
For me it's about fairness before the law. Your face needs to be identifiable on photo ID such as passports, gun and drivers licenses. In courts of law the sitting judge, prosecution and defence need to be able to register whether or not you are agitated, smirking, etc when you answer a question. |
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By: shootmcgraw
24/10/2009
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| Cultural Comparativism |
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By: buskerstrand
24/10/2009
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| I have no religious qualms with any women covering there head as long as it is a genuine religious act ie in recognition of the principals and teachings relating to being religiously in vogue with the Religious practice. Otherwise whats the problem with Muslim women discussing this practice, id or no id want is the issue here, why are we being so insecure Arab men have been living with this for centuries and it don,t get them scared of women its understanding what its really all about being aware and unafraid to allow God to be Honoured by mere mortals in a humble act of obedience. Completely Christian Faith |
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By: vinsenian
24/10/2009
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| If these people do not want to expose their face, they should leave NZ and live somewhere else. It is against our culture as a nation to mask your face. |
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By: realityzgreat1
24/10/2009
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busker .. "being aware and unafraid to allow God to be Honoured by mere mortals in a humble act of obedience. Completely Christian Faith"
you may be a mere mortal and believe in something called 'god' and bow down and grovel at 'his' feet
for the majority living in the real world your 'god' doesn't exist and any woman who wants to live in NZ should respect the values of genuine NZer's |
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By: razzielee@rocketmail.com
25/10/2009
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A few years ago I read a really good history book regarding the koran and all things islam/muslim.
Interesting that back in the day woman were not required to wear a burqa, woman could divorce without consequence and woman were equal business partners.
I think there is no place for the burqa masses to encroach their rights in little ole nz, ffs sake, we have to tread carefully in their homeland, if they don't like that we westerners have freedoms they cannot comprehend, adapt or go elsewhere, where appearing oppressed with cloth over the face is the norm, it gives me the creeps when i see full burqa wearing people peering at me, and i say people because i cannot tell if it is a male or female, i don't believe in religion oppressing woman to the extent islam has, mainly due to the crazy clerics that started changing the face of islam a few decades ago.
I have known many muslims but of the old school where the burqa is not to be found, and only because i knew them did i know they were muslim.
I don't think any foreign culture should expect to lay down their rights in our democratic country, fine if you practise islam but don't shove it in my face, which is what the burqa is doing when i see it worn, a woman that has no personal freedom and i refuse to talk to anyone that cannot show their face to me, but then it's generations of religion ingrained and i don't expect these woman to give up.
and yeah, where are the men in this discussion being held about it, after all it's because of these ignorant, controlling men that we are seeing the rise of the burqa in nz, dam our immigration polocies lol. |
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By: alterego4170
25/10/2009
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When it comes to matters of identification, and the processes of the law, of course this is an issue. What concerns me though, what happens to the women who do take their Burquas off?
Will the justice system prevent those that have done no wrong, and are forced to remove said head dress from repercussions as a result of this?
We know fine well what happens to some of these women when they don't adhere to the laws of Islam, and it ain't pretty, so how do we get around this issue?
Yes "When in Rome" should apply, but at what cost to the lives of decent Muslim women. I for one would despise the idea, that as a result of my insitence to have a woman remove her covering, she was killed as a result, wouldn't you?
This is a big deal folks, and as much as I think anyone who comes here freely should obey the law of the land, we took them in as they are, knowing their lifestyle, and their cultural laws.
Easy does it, or next we'll be forced to make gang members show their mugs to the world, now that would be news to me.Hmmm |
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By: paerina
25/10/2009
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Imposing restrictions on what a person wears makes it different how?
The French did it and yet when the BBC wanted to cover a story on it, they couldn't find one person to interview that was wearing a burqa. Point being there wasn't that much of an uproar because the number of women the law affected was virtually insignificant. The French simply took it upon themselves to legislate what they view as an oppressive symbol for Women's Liberation. Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
The other lopsided view is, because women from the West know it insults sensibilities in the ME to gallivant in a bikini the women shouldn't bring their 'wear' to the West.
The West are not intolerant. If seeing the eyes through slits in a veil freaks you out, think doctors and nurses in a delivery room not killer ninjas...
If it's the black.. think NZ rugby. If you're Australian and black outfits freak you out.. think .. I dunno ..
ballroom dancing.. |
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By: inbound39
25/10/2009
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| lmao Paerina! |
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By: paerina
25/10/2009
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Thread creator claims to have read all things Islamic some years ago.
If he read about the burqa he'd have discovered it is all about covering the head the only sharia (Fundamentalist Islam) requirement. Face cover is more a cultural extension
on modesty.
It is true that for an extensive period in recent times Afghanistan Woman experienced liberation in the style "enjoyed" by the West which is why the USA are ridding the country of the Oppresive burdens placed on Women under the Taliban.
Banning the Burqa is a totally retrospective move and if the concern is for the female, enact laws that forbid oppressive males to apply undue pressure on the choices of women. ALL WOMEN, not just women wearing clothes that incite zenophobic hysteria. |
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By: paerina
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hey Inbound...:)
surprised this thread was still up.. thought it was deleted..
ridiculous
INM Opinion. |
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By: inbound39
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| First one was...Bob reposted it under another name....surprise...you know Bob...loves division! |
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By: buskerstrand
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| reallyzgreat1 to live in a country that by some definition is called Christian, if these humble women are wearing their religious attire to honour God, knowing New Zealands Christian heritage I think good on them, if not, then they are hypocrites, like so many Christian women have been in our past when this practice was the accepted norm or was it a law?. In New Zealand they have a choice in their native lands they didn't, realityzgreat1 that in our New Zealand Reality - reality includes all races and cultures creeds and doctrines, it does not exclude or alienate people,when reality alienates and divides people into serrated parts isolated from the mainstream of life then that reality ain't a great1 but its a reality that time and again has given the male species of the human race dominance and control. Hmmm? maybe we men should be afraid about these Muslim women discussing the Burqa? they might lead a womens revolution in this male dominated world. |
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By: bobreturns@xtra.co.nz
25/10/2009
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| Burqa's dont belong in New Zealand do what France did and ban them. If you want to come to this Country come for the freedom,and dont bring your cultural oppression with you. Also dont expect us to bow down to your Cultural oppression and fundamentalism. If you dont like you know what to do. |
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By: kiwi_geofreak
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| You might look at what I said about photo ID and courts of law. I am not trying to stop Muslim women wearing something that many of them will wear anyway, but I expect that the principles of NZ law will not be compromised for ANYONE. |
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By: kiwi_geofreak
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| Kiwi's don't always show the same regard when we go to predominantly Muslim or Hindu places - my cousin got told off in Bali apparently for not showing due respect to codes of dress on the beach. |
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By: vrybored37
25/10/2009
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The ones that don't look so good should keep wearing them :)
Must save em alot of money on makeup too. |
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