By: larry.burke@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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| You may know a few people like that but what about the finance companies that have ripped off thousands of kiwi mums and dad investors, where is the fairness in that? there are probably more white collar people ripping off kiwis than there are people ripping off benefits according to the latest stats. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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| Well thats bad enough agreed, but its not tax payer money. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
18/08/2008
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| xtr the ones who enjoy the fruits of labour, rarely labour. they buy labour with capital which is nothing more than accumulated labour, and put it to work to accumulate even more capital. the labourer who sells his labouring power is subject to all the market forces that any other commodity is. ie his price eventually comes down to what it costs to feed clothe house educate and propogate more labour, that is, his cost of production. but we arnt talking about a lifeless object. we are talking about living feeling human beings. thankfully in this country there is a law that garantees everyone an income when they cant work for whatever reason. i dont think the system is "fair" at all. those with capital are they only ones who can increase their capital because they are the only ones who can buy the means of production. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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jamisonjohn,
Frankly I find your paranoid communist line somewhat boring. I suggest you forget your Marxist religion and start thinking for yourself for once in your life.
I'm sorry on your account that there are almost no countries left on this planet that you could go to live in in order to enjoy a non capitalist society. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
18/08/2008
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| i enjoy living here ty. whats paranoid about it. i merely stated facts that you didnt refute. dont you like the truth about your precious capitalist system. |
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By: dichotomous2003
18/08/2008
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| R U on Drugs? |
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By: dichotomous2003
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| here's an Oxy-moron. Labour Party. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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The system is perfectly fair. If we want to risk our money by purchasing some capital in the hope of some return, we can purchase a corner dairy or shares on the stock market, all you need is some of your savings. There is no monopoly on the means of production any more.
Without capitalism you would be eating grass my friend.
I can tell by your tone that you are repeating material that someone has told you. Once again, try thinking for yourself.
This is the last advice I shall give you. |
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By: pptbc@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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| me too. Have you had a look at NZ First Policies? Some good stuff there Pamela |
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By: mcmahonwayne
18/08/2008
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Helen Clark once said she was a "Committed Socialist"
Hahaha,she is a Capitalist.
She should be committed.... |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
18/08/2008
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| purchasing capital is the privilage of a minority. refute that. to become a capitalist one needs first, capital. he also needs an attitude of possessing, not sharing. he must become greedy if his aim is having. he is more, the more he has. he must feel antagonistic toward all others. his competitors who he wants to destroy, his customers who he wants to decieve, his workers who he wants to exploit. he is never satisfied. he is envious of those who have more and afraid of those who have less. but he represses all these feelings so he can represent himself to others and himself, as the smiling, rational, sincere kind human being he pretends to be. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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| Crikey is this guy for real? Or is he just kidding? |
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By: pptbc@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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| reply to dhume200 Our son has moved to oz. His son born in NZ but Oz govt has given them $4,500 for having the baby and $180 per f/n as well even tho he will earn approx $72,000 driving a truck |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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JamiesonJohn
You are stuck in a time warp my Dear friend here is something for you to ponder on
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.†|
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
18/08/2008
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| roba , heard it all before. |
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By: larry.burke@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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| its the system is not bad if it is used fairly-- those who provide effort (workers) are not treated fairly in asystem that requires an unemployment rate of 6% toforce rewards down to a level so that exorbitant salaries aqre paid to those at thetop with the excuse that you need to to attract 'the best' but when there is a shortage at the means of production --- no you can't pay high wages there because it means it cuts into their salaries and bonuses. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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Has anyone checked out this blog yet? Says a lot I think.
http://helenclark.wordpress.com/ |
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By: tgod_123
18/08/2008
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| pptbc@xtra.co.nz - well your son has increased the intelligence of Oz 2x ova. |
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By: tgod_123
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xtr459383@xtra.co.nz - Helens Fraud....deleted, actually I think thats because you cant make accusations without proof.
Basically, you cant trust any polititian especially when their running for office, they will all do and say whateva they feel the voter wants to hear.
Everyone here has the right to vote, would be better if you put your efforts into making sure your family and friends exercise their right to vote, instead of having a go at each other, really how much difference will all this disagreement have on your vote, you have all decided on which party you will be voting for so what are you trying to achieve with this.
All parties have some good and bad in their policies, Labour regardless of what some think here have done very good things for the working class people of this country - thats the majority, National with their new leader JK who I think is really just the mouth piece for the large business orgainisations (hence why joe blogs doesnt trust him) have yet to produce policy of any substance, alot of what they are preaching to be their great ideas have been happening for a number of years, work testing beneficiaries, upskilling unemployed, limit of 12 weeks on unemployment benefit etc etc. How do the National party propose to address long term beneficiaries, maybe if they showed a bit of transparency they may gain some trust. |
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By: dianamcgregor234
18/08/2008
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| I couldn't have put it better myself ! |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
18/08/2008
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Helen's done pretty well, even exceeded Robert Muldoon on a number of counts.
I found this blog which outlines some of her antics.Why don't you have a glance.
http://helenclark.wordpress.com/
By the way Helen's Fraud wasn't my thread, I was just surprised it got deleted. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
18/08/2008
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| you posted that 4 posts ago xtr. scared no ones listening to you ? theres nothing on that link that hasent been mentioned here a zillion times. waste of time reading it. |
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By: labourout
18/08/2008
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Helen got her fraud posts deleted, to close to the truth.
I will expect the SIS to dinner tomorrow night.
I have the mics and hidden cameras ready, come get me. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| oh it was helen who deleted the posts. of course she did. go take yer meds |
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By: labourout
20/08/2008
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This is what the Aussies think of Helen, LOL.
They think, we know she is a waist of space, And H2 is even carrying more power than Cullen, LOL NZ is the laughing stock across the tasman.
Prime Minister Helen Clark is laughing off an Australian briefing paper which says she does not trust those outside Labour and that she formed her foreign policy views during the Vietnam War.
The Foreign Affairs Department briefing was handed to Australian journalists ahead of Kevin Rudd's visit to New Zealand earlier this week.
It also says Miss Clark's chief of staff Heather Simpson is considered the second most powerful person in the country.
Miss Clark is not worried about the briefing, and does not believe it is embarrassing to Mr Rudd. She is describing it as a "hoot", and says she does not propose to release the briefing she has on Mr Rudd.
If that is an official brief what do you think they really think of Helen, LOL.
Bet its not good.
Sooner she/it is gone the better. |
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