By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
29/08/2008
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| i thought the margin was small xtr. just a cent or two in the dollar. one needs to buy and sell a lot of a particular currency to make it worthwhile. millions worth in fact. outa my league mate |
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By: vallynz
29/08/2008
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| xtr459383; you reply to my posting by talking about how 'i am a perfect example of how this government makes people dependant on the state' all becasue i say i do not want kiwisaver disrupted. is it wrong to want to protect savings? Two points i would like to make, 1) I am not reliant on the state being self employed with my own business. 2)Anyone with a financial brain will take advantage of kiwisaver while the government is contributing the $1000 start up and matching the $1042 annually..There is no other investment portfolio which will give you 100% interest on your savings...So if i vote to protect what is mine isnt that the main reason people vote, to protect their OWN interests... |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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Nope, I vote for what I think will benefit the whole country. Its a sort of political conservation, leave something for our children to inherit.
Savings do well at RaboBank right now, just a pity the government taxes them.
I suppose you are happy about contributing 4% for each of your employees Kiwisaver as well.
Sounds like you are dependent on the state to me. TEll me what your net return on your Kiwisaver is in a years time:) |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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This is why Helen took so long to make a decision on Winston
Surely the email ties it all back in? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id =1&objectid=10521163
Owen Glenn was asking his PR man on 21st Feb how to react to the news of the allegations:
Steve Fisher: Our plan worked well. There is nothing new about you in here Owen. Note that Winston says you have never made a donation to NZ First, so at all costs you must stick to that line. It was definitely the right thing to do to deny the Maori party offer as well.
So on Feb 21st (note the date) everyone knew that Winston was denying there was a donation (Helen Clark now says she knew as well), so there appears to be an orchestrated litany of deception. Steve Fisher has basically told Owen Glenn to keep schtum and it would all go away - the question that now has to be asked is was there any connection between Steve Fisher and Winston Peters or Helen Clark? This whole affair is smelling more and more rotten as time goes on. If the point about the Maori party ccan be proven it could be seen as some one or some aprty trying to hi jack democracy in New Zealand |
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By: cripplemronion@rocketmail.com
29/08/2008
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| Im enrolled but look at the money the providers are make out of this, and If one of them folds its tough luck the government hasn't offered any protection if god forbid someone involved in the financial should fall flat on its face like that would ever happen. Now it turns out it might cost to much money to get the funds released to your family if you die, sounds like its well thought out to me not just another half hashed scheme to take more of our money out of our control. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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Jamison, Bomber, you wont make $50 million after all. Of course you could always borrow off the bank to give your trading business a kick start.
Oops sorry, Im suggesting capitalistic things again:) |
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By: regan.alford
29/08/2008
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Wouldn't vote for Helen again, nope!!
Lasest bollocks going on is very similar to when our very own PM commited fraud by signing a painting that didn't belong to her, here they place stronger sentences on fraudsters since they been in power, gosh. Double standards, is that how she was brought up.. now we have a man leading our country as forein minister committing fraud,Funny at the same time there trying to pull a bill that gets rid of the SFO....hahahaha...Too late Winston....Gotya!!! guess they will try bury that like they did with Helen, I'm not voting National either, the world needn't read what I think, I'm sure they'll be thinking much along the same lines!! maybe vote for ACT...Mmmmmmmm |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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Wow another $59Mil spent today on treaty settlements. That makes 3 this month. At this rate John Key will have to borrow, tax cuts or no tax cuts.
Excuse me while I look up my family tree to see if I have a maori ancestor:) |
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By: larry.burke@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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| key would be making the settlements if he was in power -makes no difference who the government is they still need to be paid. |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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larry.burke,
So you dont think that three settlements within one month, worth about half a billion, just might be a little careless and hasty with the tax payers money? |
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By: vallynz
29/08/2008
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xtr459383;
you say you vote for the benefit of the whole country and to some extent we all do, but i still say that people vote with their OWN personal interests in mind.
As for your reason for voting in this way 'a form of political conservation' you say, in my opinion we are better off leaving our children land, sea and air that can sustain their lives.
I do agree with your idea of less, or none, tax on savings but the idea behind kiwisaver(which i admit is not 100%)is to encourage people to save in the first place for their retirement. I also agree the 4% (over 4 years) may be steep for some small business, but it is for the benefit of their staff, the number one asset a business can have and a good way to reward them.If u went for a job and one offered up to 4% of your wage for nothing would you refuse it over a job which didnt have this benefit? I think not.
People still have the 2 week opt out if they dont want to be in it..To me its a personal choice, not as u say 'being dependent on the state'
Maybe our intereptation of that phrase is different. Maybe you could explain what you mean.
As for my return on my kiwisaver..in the first year my deposit is $1042 and at the end of a year i will have $3084. The following year my deposit will be $1042 and at the end i will have $2084 plus my first year of $3084. so over 2 years for a deposit of $2084 i will receive $5168.
As i am self employed I do not get any employer contributions.
On another subject, treaty settlements....where is all this money coming from? NZ's hospitals, schools and unis and us the tax payer...I think the NZ government should be invoicing the british government for the money paid out.it was after all their decisions which made the current situation........... |
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By: solutionz@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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| I couldn't come round to trusting Helen Clark....and I'm sure that right now....she doesn't really trust herself |
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By: larry.burke@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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| no I don't, have a look at the development of Kaikoura and land development that the south island Maori have used claim money for. It has created a lot more wealth that has caused all of the south island to benefit and they are providing for their own which is also of benefit to the future of our country. |
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By: f.richards@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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| Point well made . . she doesn't need your vote to survive any catastrophe! |
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By: lando.garner
29/08/2008
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| as much as I hate the nanny state, I can't see anyone else who has her leadership and ethical qualities. Maurice Williamson - nope!, Bill English nope, John Key - suck it and see.! might be OK - any others you can think of? Nats will have us in hock is my worry. We're not big enough for that? |
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By: glasspida
29/08/2008
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| "ethical qualities" I must be seeing things!!! |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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| Lando....I feel the same....they are all a bunch of idiots.Power to the people.Any ideas? |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
29/08/2008
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| power to the people ? sounds commo to me |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
29/08/2008
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vallynz
I agree that most people vote for their own direct benefit, Im just saying that people SHOULD vote for the wider and long term picture.
Employees are only hired when there is some economic advantage for the employer to do so. To force an extra employee expense onto an employer may well make the employer decide not to hire. Its just an extention to the minimum wage doctrine which is well known to increase unemployment.
However most of all, I'm impressed that you are thinking hard about these things, something we all should do.:) |
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By: labourout
30/08/2008
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Once again H1 has taken her girl friend H2 to do the deal with winston.
Why do we allow H2 (who has no mandate from the people) to become the second most feared person in NZ.
It is time to get some balls men and get these butch and gay women out of power in this country and return it it the normal thinking people. |
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By: solutionz@xtra.co.nz
30/08/2008
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| Yaeh...they seem to be attached by the m.u.f.f......break em up...get some normality back into the people who we put on the top of our pedestal |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
30/08/2008
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lando.garner
Ethical qualities?
You are winding us up right?
Helen Clark can break the law and then use her power to pass a law to make it right and you say she has ethics?
Open your eyes boy! |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
30/08/2008
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| they all do that. wake up |
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By: xtr459383@xtra.co.nz
30/08/2008
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| You got to be joking Jamison! |
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By: astronoddy
30/08/2008
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Far out - check this out. I thought it was a p i s s take.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_conditions_and _possibilities_of_Helen_Clark_taking_me_as_her_you ng_lover |
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