By: astronoddy
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Fark it. I mean
Subpilot - I don't take you seriously. Seriously. Sometimes you are very wise. |
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By: mikeg_70@rocketmail.com
9/08/2008
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Eugenics. mar ja good afternoon
was a buzz word after ww1 and espoused by Roosevelt and the Duke of Windsor and other notables of British Establishment together with European upper class. Was taken up in Germany and led to the excesses of Hit-ler and the ethnic cleansing of perceived undesirables.
As soon as this situation was realised, there was a rush to disassociate from the movement.
Eugenics as a subject was almost totally dropped from the language and became a dirty word. |
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By: powerhour5150
9/08/2008
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You only have to look at the history of eugenics to see it has a dismal past, but in saying that it is still going on today in more hidden forms.
I feel a positive can always come out of a negative, but with the powers that be, anythings possible. |
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By: mikeg_70@rocketmail.com
9/08/2008
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| yeah, it goes on in the animal breeding programmes. this will make you laugh though: When it ia successful, they call it LINE BREEDING, when it is unsccessful, they call it INBREEDING. |
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By: mikeg_70@rocketmail.com
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| looking at your post powerhour, could you expand a little on your thoughts? |
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By: powerhour5150
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I could MG but I'd rather not:
Okay, say AIDS was man made - conspiracy theorists love this one, now would that be a form of eugenics, lots of subtle things could be based in eugenics.
Look how the disease has decimated the impoverished black races, and the gay community. |
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By: flyasub
9/08/2008
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| Lots of subtle things could be placed on religion, lots of subtle things could be placed on politics, lots of subtle things could be placed on childcare, lots of subtle things could be placed on policing, on teaching, on being of a certain race, in fact on whatever you please! |
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By: flyasub
9/08/2008
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MIKEG,
Quote,
["When it ia successful, they call it LINE BREEDING, when it is unsccessful, they call it INBREEDING"]
Why is that a laugh? |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
9/08/2008
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Flyasub
Dont bother too much about mar, shes either dyslexic, in urgent need of glasses or simply has a penchant for reading things out of context to promote an argument rather, than present something valid and well thought out. I know I did not use the word - dilute - so there you go. Reading her opening post, it is clear mar is an Egalitarian, one who believes we are all born equal. She is wrong of course. Anyone who has more than one child will know they are all born with different personalities right from the start. There is no scientific evidence to support the egalitarian view, rather there is mountains of evidence to disprove it, but this doesnt deter the egalitarians in the media or academia.
We know a disproportionate number of children who grow up in poor neighbourhoods tend to become criminals. On this basis, efforts are made to build nicer housing projects and spruce up the slums, with (big surprise) no impact on crime. Welfare programs are intended to eliminate poverty and ameliorate the host of social problems associated with it. Studies of its effects report that it has actually made the problems it was intended to solve worse, while costing taxpayers billions. People dont change by changing their environment. A fortune given to a simpleton doesnt make the simpleton any smarter. Science has proved there is a genetic link to criminality, alcoholism, obesity, temperament etc. including IQ. Intelligent people tend to make better decisions and better parents.
Racial-ethnic differences in intelligence are real and have been well studied. There is no disputing that Hitlers approach to eugenics was inhumane. The most humane approach to narrow the intelligence gap between the races is by interbreeding. There is no doubting the huge influx of Asians to NZ has altered our demographics and will eventually alter our gene pool and our politics. |
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By: mikeg_70@rocketmail.com
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flyasub.
The reason being that in a litter of pups,perhaps fathered by a very close relative, there may be one "good" one(breeders judgement). and five with defects. Those defects may be genetic or simply the wrong shape.The "good" one will be kept for breeding on, and the defects disposed of.
The term line breeding, therefore,in this case, is a euphamism for inbreeding. The result is ,though, that the defects will still be in the genes of the "good" pup and may be carried down. You will understand this anyway and the explanation is for those that have not been animal breeders.
I guess it is slightly away from the topic though?
The "good" one is likely |
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By: mikeg_70@rocketmail.com
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powerhour.
That is pretty deep stuff really. You would be suggesting a conspiracy. I think I would need to see some proof of that. Where would the gain be and who would benefit from such a thing? |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
9/08/2008
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Wasullivan:
Egalitarian has a broader meaning to it, rather than what you specifically pointed out.
Equally important is that Eugenics also has varying aspects. My interpretation of what I read, and yours obviously differ, that I do accept.
Furthermore this forum is an open arena and open for questioning and debate. No! I do not suffer from dyslexia
and not all things are clear, nor are they completely black and white. |
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By: astronoddy
9/08/2008
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| Dyslexia rules KO |
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By: unclenana@xtra.co.nz
9/08/2008
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wassullivan
stop & take a breath
thats it
in thru the nose & out thru the mouth
now
relax |
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By: ferrico2
9/08/2008
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| Dyslexics UNTIE! |
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By: ferrico2
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What I find to be the overlooked flaw in this thread is the presumption that those Asians with above average intelligence would want to share their "Precious Bodily Fluids" with the 'bottom enders' that some of you claim are all that is left in NZ.
The bloody cheek of some people!
Keep it coming, guys! This is funnier than the Peters, Key & Clark show! |
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By: flyasub
9/08/2008
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WA SULLIVAN,
Yes, while I agree with a lot of your reasoning, there is one statement I would question,
Quote, ["Intelligent people tend to make better decisions and better parents"] - this I don't agree with, these qualities are more often found in careful cautious types of people who are not necessarily highly intelligent and whose decisions are based on simple commonsense or compliance.
Intelligent people CAN have these qualities too of course and if they have both, then they've got it made.
However some of the most intelligent people I have ever met are scatterbrained,lazy and rebellious! - others are so intelligent that they live in their own academic world and have no comprehension of how the "real" world operates! |
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By: maxiez73
9/08/2008
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| so whats the perfect world, one with nobody in it!, a slogan i once saw, think we will be a long time gone before the cloning and eugenics start getting serious enough for people to get hysterical, in the meantime i hope the kids breed with someone decent and i get to be a grandparent of decent, gives me the creeps when i see the half wit in bred families, they are still around, and it carries on, sometimes you gotta wonder if steralisation was really a bad thing! |
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By: maxiez73
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| and i agree re the intelligent being lazy, scatterbrained etc, from one extreme to another! |
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By: flyasub
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MAXIE,
Quote, ["so whats the perfect world, one with nobody in it!"]
That would be dead right! - Someone (can't remember who) said " the world is suffering from Cancer, - human beings!" |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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When the wrong class of people breed the most kids, it leads to Dysgenics, which is the opposite of Eugenics.
Although contraception is available to everyone, its more consistently and effectively used by all of the best and the most admirable people, i.e., the smartest, most responsible, hard-working people who make a positive contribution to the larger society.
A high percentage of the worst and least-admirable people dont care, that unprotected sex brings babies into the world, so they have sex with little or no thought of contraception. They include: psychopaths; sociopaths; criminals; psychologically disturbed people of all varieties; alcoholics; drug addicts; irresponsible, short-sighted, and selfish people; the mentally retarded; just-plain-dumb people; and people who are too lazy to take a trip to the chemist. Because of their negligence, they contribute a disproportionate share of their least- admirable genes to future generations.
We need a government to find ways to reverse this type cancer in our society. The answer is. Either make females more accountable for getting pregnant in the first instance, or give males equal rights in the decision making process about what happens next. If males had more say regards unwanted pregnancies, there would be a lot less unwanted children around, hence less of the consequence that results from unwanted kids which the rest of us have to pay for long term. Male logic beats female emotion, hands down, any day of the week. Boy, I bet Im going to get it from all the feminists now. |
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By: kev.meg.co@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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| Saw Dysgenics in action the other day in Doctors surgery. Young couple (very young) with a 2 to 3 year old - who I did not hear use any recognisable words, and a little baby. The sire was a total waste of space - I guess they were speaking english as they were obviously NZ'ers but I couldn't understand any but the F word. Why any female would willingly breed with such a useless unit is beyond me - so much for natural selection and females choosing their mate with care - I guess that only applies when they wait to mate until they at least have grown a brain. |
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By: maxiez73
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| yes and wasullian, half these inbreds aren't going to understand what you're saying to know not to breed further when you said about making the mother more accountable or the father having more choices, so i don't know how that would work? |
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By: unclenana@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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its the bit about 'if males had more say about unwanted pregnancies, thered be a lot less unwanted children' that esp caught my eye.
So, how would the male go about sorting unwanted pregnancies ? |
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By: flyasub
11/08/2008
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UNK,
The males we've been discussing don't know, don't want to know and in most cases have about a 10:1 chance of knowing if they are the father at all (no offence to women of course!). |
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