By: maxiez73
11/08/2008
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| a lot of them could keep it in their pants!!, or maybe a male contraceptive!!!! or is there one already here? |
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By: flyasub
11/08/2008
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| I've seen cats with better morals! (and they're or future!) |
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By: flyasub
11/08/2008
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| I've seen cats with better morals! (and they're or future!) |
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By: astronoddy
11/08/2008
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| Yes ... their personalities, but it doesn't work for the dumbass chicks |
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By: maxiez73
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| yes but flyasub, mother cats sleep with their sons!!!! lol. |
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By: maxiez73
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| yes, some chicks start counting the $$$$ before the baby's even born, when i left school there were some girls who thought i was mad for working, they couldn't understand why i wasn't starting a family, they are grandmothers now!!!! |
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By: astronoddy
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| And where they live you must be falling over spray cans everywhere |
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By: putionz
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| Unless you remove modern medicine from the equation there is no way in heck anyone can talk of survival of the fittest. |
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By: maxiez73
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| no astro, i got out of there in a hurry and never went back!!! |
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By: flyasub
11/08/2008
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PUTTY,
Haven't seen you for a while, but you sure got that right! |
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By: flyasub
11/08/2008
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MAXI
Yes ..... only cats? |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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unclenana
Good question. It could happen very simply. Any female who fails to ensure contraception is used and finds herself pregnant from a one night stand for example, and she wants the DPB, should have to present herself to a family court within the first 12 weeks. She would have to name the sire or possible sires who would also be mandatorily made to appear. The sire/s should have to undergo immediate DNA testing to prove paternity, payed for by the state. Once the family court is satisfied they have the right sire, the first question to him is to ask how he feels about it. If he says it was a mistake and doesnt want to know, the court advisers him that he is free to go. The court then turns to the female and asks what her intentions are. If she says she wants to keep it, irrespective of the sire walking out. The court then has to determine she is fit and able to be a parent via a parental suitability process to assess her eligibility, taking into account her age, family support if any and her ability to pay for it. (A somewhat relaxed version of the adoption agency criteria). If she does qualify for government assistance, this should only happen for the first mistake made. If she does not qualify the pregnancy is terminated, or the baby is put up for adoption. |
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By: astronoddy
11/08/2008
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| Wasullivan - LOL. You had me going there for a while. I thought you had a serious practical solution that stood better than a snowball's chance in hell of getting implemented. |
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By: flyasub
11/08/2008
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SULLI,
Yeah right!
Still, this place used to be known as "Utopia" |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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astronoddy
What part of this grand scheme cant work. It would make females think twice about getting pregnant and offer males the right to say they dont want to know about kids just yet, which is a lot more rights than males are given at present. When you think about it. The sentence for a male who unintentionally gets a female pregnant is 19 years paying for something he doesnt want, purely on the whim of a female who emotionally wants to keep it. Simply blaming the males absolves all responsibility for the females, which makes no sense, given that the females are the gatekeepers for sex to occur in the first place, its the females who should bear the brunt of this responsibility. |
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By: astronoddy
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| OK. Show us your costings. Resources required. Department to administer. Legislative changes needed. You know, the actual working out of the necessary details. |
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By: astronoddy
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| And don't get me wrong. I like it. It's just that it'll never get off the ground. Which parties are going to vote for it for a start? |
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By: maxiez73
11/08/2008
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| no flyasub, you know it's not confined to cats, just throwing my 20 cents in!!! |
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By: unclenana@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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wasullivan
seriously - are u serious? |
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By: astronoddy
11/08/2008
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| Shhh...he's busy costing ... |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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Astrometry
Whatever it costs is easily offset by a lot less being spent on the DPB, and the enormous social costs saved that are attributed to unwanted kids. Ie. Social services dealing with the consequences of unwanted kids, right across the board. We already have adoption agencies and family courts in place. Criminal courts and all other social services would eventually be less stretched to help with sorting out mistaken pregnancies. If China with its population can sort out its single child policy programmes so can we. More to the point. Considering all the problems our country has now. Can we afford not to introduce programmes that force people to be more responsible for what they do at other peoples cost? Why continue to provide ambulances at the bottom of the cliff when all we have to do is to stop those who are unfit to be parents from breeding future problems? |
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By: astronoddy
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| And ... the political parties who are going to support this (otherwise very worthwhile) bill are ? |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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astronoddy
Just think how many tens of thousands of males out there who have unwittingly found themselves paying for unwanted kids, who could otherwise be getting on with their lives being far more productive contributing to a system that would be a lot more fair to them, than the situation we have at present. Also if some system was introduced to both reduce unwanted pregnancies and make everyone meet some criteria to prove they can be fit and proper parents, mistaken pregnancies would be reduced dramatically as would heaps of problems that are associated with that.
If we had a new political party who would implement sensible laws. They would get my vote for sure. |
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By: unclenana@xtra.co.nz
11/08/2008
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you leave me cold, wasullivan, very cold, esp when you bring China into it.
Are you bitter about something? If you've had or are going through a bad experience such as you are writing about, i sincerely do hope that you see light at the end of the tunnel one day.
Some of your thoughts/beliefs have the ring of the zealot about them & are a return to the dark ages e.g. 'women as the gatekeepers of sex' and you easily abdicate the male of any responsibility e.g. contraception, then the ability to walk out when he says the pregnancy was a mistake & he's not interested. |
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By: lando.garner
11/08/2008
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| hey uncle... at least wasullivan had the metaphorical balls to offer an idea... don't be so harsh............you got a better idea? say it |
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