By: phejaynetwerks
30/09/2008
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It appears that too many people continue to live on a diet of lemons and just love to hear themselves. Opinions do not change facts and universal laws. The day we unselfishly help others to benefit before ouselves is the day the the sun will shine brighter... beginning in the home. Justice will take its course. Whether the lemon brigade continue to vent their sourness or not life will continue. Reading most of the comments is quite depressive with little or no postive indication of taking sound action. Words will always be cheap when all it is , is blowing in the wind. Not pointing the finger at any particular individual...but a lot of what I read reeks of racism. I pity the children and the generation that follow if negative attitudes don't change. Those whose comments are laced with 'ungodly languge'.. it's a wonder the lips don't rot off. Attitude determines altitude. Stinking thinking needs to go. Love your neighbour as yourself. May God bless and his light dispel any darkness in the hearts of all people. Join me for a cup of tea and a boil up. Kia Ora.
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By: panianahi
30/09/2008
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easily said than done. foreshore and seabed bill ring any bells? this was made law because labour saw it as a legitimate oppourtunity for marae, hapu and iwi (though not limited to these groups) to profit from. in effect, labour would rather see asia benefit from these resources, hence the foreshore and seabed bill. |
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By: aoteabeachbabe
30/09/2008
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| Pania .. will you explain your understanding of what is happening with the foreshores and seabeds, please. From where I sit I see very interesting things happening, positive for both Maori and non-maori. |
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By: panianahi
30/09/2008
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regarding resources and future developments relevant to foreshore and seabed issues; i never doubted that marae, hapu, iwi, communtiy, towns, regions, councils, businesses, corporates etc do not benefit from the oppourtunities, present and future, that are prevalent in this industry.
my korero was more to do with why the foreshore and seabed bill was passed in the first place. it was, in essence, a means to stop maori from succeding. as there was no regulations or laws, at that time (5years ago), to stop maori from setting up there own businesses to farm mussels/oysters/tuna and other kaimoana. as you know, the majority of marae in aotearoa are situated close to the moana. the government knows that maori are the inherited kaitiaki for these resources. hence the bill. thats all my korero was about.. |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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The Raupo Dictionary of Modern Maori, defines Pakeha, as a person being of European/Caucasian decent. The Maori Language Commission confirm this, but also add that this does not mean anyone who is born and lives in England or Scotland for example is a Pakeha. It strictly means a New Zealander of European/Caucasian decent.
Are you saying the Maori Dictionary, and the Maori Language Commission are both wrong? |
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By: aoteabeachbabe
30/09/2008
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Thats ok pania .. many in NZ dont know whats happening. You do have to have connections to Marae to get a grip on it all.
Its a great move and will have resources growing and Maori able to still have their kai moana. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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phejaynetwerks:
There are many maori and non maori of sixth generation in this country who want unity as much as anyone else!
Racism is taught, it is not bred!
As for the comments and the use of "Ungodly" like language is a common occurence when trying to push a philosophy that only promotes superiority of one race, not all Maori are feeling hard done by!
It is indicative of today, in the political climate of this country and the debate or arguements that have taken place on this board are a result of certain questions and answers that can easily be achieved if people knew the history of this country.
Not all are of a Christian belief system! If it is not to your liking, it is an open forum after all.
The hearts and minds of many people in this country need to be pro active!
To provoke abuse is a result of the misinformed in this discussion and if you dont like it tough!!
Dont read it! We all live here and if the division is to close it will only happen hand in hand with the powers that be and co operation for the common good of Aotearoa NZ as a whole. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
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The Maori Language commission is responsible for the Maori Language and its application of words Maori into English to keep up with modern times.
It is a body of people like any other department that handles Maori Language! To understand its purpose requires the input of Maori Language Lecturers and speakers of Te Reo Maori.
It helps Maori and Non Maori in todays society if they want to learn it or speak it. The language is growing everyday like any other indigenous language, for example english itself is an evolving language. |
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By: bone.jake
30/09/2008
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Marihiresearch & peopleunited thanks for the response. As I mentioned i am playing devils advocate. And was intereted to see what your thoughts on my question was.
Peopleunited, im puzzled by your last response though. you talk of ambiguity. I couldnt find anything ambiguous about
what was stated. Anyway you seem to be agressive towards anyone who does not have your self proclaimed higher knowledge of history so I will leave you to it! |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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the point is if there is to be a united nz! there has to be equal participation, not soley because Maori are the minority of this country!
thats the point that is being made. Education is the key! |
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By: bone.jake
30/09/2008
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You will find that I am a huge proponent of a united new zealand. So no argument there.
And I agree that education is the key for both parties. One party needs to listen to the others voice to understand what is being said, the other party needs to understand that riding the treaty gravy-train needs to come to an end before they aliennate more people. |
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By: helenahira@rocketmail.com
30/09/2008
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As a maori I say yes and the same with the treaty of waitangi some of the claims are just getting out of hand.
Especially now with the black power trying to get in on it just a joke. |
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By: helenahira@rocketmail.com
30/09/2008
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| matchy good one I like your comment look ahead not behind us. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
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I am completely aware of the musket wars and that there were Maori who fought with the colonials during the land wars! My response was a result of a former poster who asked a question, and also stated that Maori were not completely annihilated by the colonial forces.
There were Maori fighting each other during the land wars! Maori were inter tribal and still are. Not all agreed than and they do not all agree now , thats what happens.
And if you are going to post here as well we are not all going to agree anyway, but because this is about moving forward, it has to be done hand in hand and if that wasnt presenting itself in the post you are referring to, I cannot help that, and it was not a deliberate distortion of history to suit the debate. |
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By: lexy.blondie@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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| kings_guard - you are not very intelligent are you. Immigrant = a person who migrates to another country. Please get your facts right. Maori also migrated here from Polynesia. I am a New Zealander because I was born in New Zealand. And since you seem very intent on people remembering their past, maybe you should remember that the Moriori's were here before the Maori's. And the Maori's ate them. I'm so sick of people like you trying to divide this country. You are the racist, because you're comments are insulting someone based on their race. Don't try and garner sympathy just because of your race. You can be proud of the fact you may be Maori, but that doesn't give you the right to try to belittle someone just because they are not. If Maori's want equality the only way to get that is to abolish Maori seats. And sooner rather than later. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
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bonejake:
we are definitely for a united new zealand, and the added education is necessary for all people in this country, maori and non maori, not just for today but for the future of the children, so they dont have to bare the burdens of the past.
A lot of those issues are being sorted, and its ats snails pace, and the treaty gravy train that you refer to will stop, that is the hope not only for Maori but for all people in this country who share the same thoughts.
It is supposed to be a partnership, that was the original intent. As a sixth generation NZ/Maori of mixed celtic origins I would like to see the country united. It will not happen if a consensus is not reached. |
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By: phejaynetwerks
30/09/2008
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Kia ora. There is no superior race. All are sinners and imperfect. Hitler's philosophy (religion) was that his people were the superior race of the world and it was his intention to force that belief system (play God) on the world. If other races did not fit their profile/template they would be used for medical experiments and research or executed.
As a person that is never my belief system. It is always my endevour to do good to and for others. But thanks for the reply. I grew up in a home where racism, abuse both physical, verbal and mental was the way of life. I was determined that my children would never be subject to that type of religion in my home and my wife and I have attested to that aim. The government have a religious philosophy called secular humanism underpinned by Darwinian evolutionary drives. There are legislations in place to 'force' you to conform...its called education where children are politicised. What do you do about that. Do you withdraw them from that environment? My wife and I have done just that. The state is not a nanny to my children...God forbid. And the for the use of abusive language is very self demeaning. I find no positive good
in it. We deserve better. Thanks again for your response.
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By: autotarget
30/09/2008
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lexyblondie you certainly live up to your blonde name. The Morioris were not here before the maori. That is a myth made up by a European historian. Moriori came from the same migratory area Maori did, and were simply another Maori tribe. Just like Tainui, Nga Puhi etc.
I am so sick of people like you playing the Moriori card, because youre WRONG.
Maori did migrate here - from various areas persumably in East Polynesia. Then they adapted and evolved to become what the European labelled us - MAORI. That is why they are tangata whenua, the original inhabitants of NZ, the people of the land.
Do not get rid of the Maori seats. You cant do it anyway - Pakeha have been trying since 1902 - but theyve failed every time. just like they will again. |
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By: kaituna2003
30/09/2008
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Way to rev him up auto....lol
And "Lexyblondie" i take offence to your comment , You say your "SICK" .....aint that the truth.
You and your racist comments .....You sound like a old winching fart.....Go to Bed.....Your brain isnt functioning very well , and dont forget to your Viagra...GGGRRrrrrrrr... |
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By: bone.jake
30/09/2008
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Peopleunited77
Agree 100%.
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
30/09/2008
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My question is this:
If Maori now have the Maori party to represent them in Parliament, why then do they need the Maori seats?
If the Maori seats were taken away then all those who supported them need only vote for the Maori party to gain fair and equal representation in government. |
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By: autotarget
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| oh man chris phoenix I already answered your question like 5 pages back. Hang on I'll see if I can find it and copy and paste it over. |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
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| Auto, your answer is "because they were created for controlling purposes by Pakeha and now the coincedently work for Maori so we sould keep them". |
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By: chris_phoenix_nz
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| By the way the term I used is NEED, not WANT. |
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By: autotarget
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The Maori seats are a distinctive feature of New Zealand’s electoral system and due to the nature of their origin, the abolition of the seats must be a decision made by Maori.
The seats themselves represent the changing relationship between New Zealand and its indigenous population. In the 1950’s – 1960’s the Government had suggested they be abolished due to their seemingly apartheid nature, but they were retained as they were still generally supported by the Maori population. This is because those who filled these seats are generally viewed as dedicated advocates in Parliament for Maori.
Maori saw that opportunity and chose to retain it. Now that the Maori seats have some influence on the political face of New Zealand the group who originally benefited from their existence are now are calling for their abolition amid the public’s accusations of 'race based privileges'.
Maori are the original inhabitants of NZ, tangata whenua, people of the land. There is only one place in the world where Maori belong, and that is NZ.
The idea of One land, one law, one people is a myth, because what this really means in NZ is European land, European law, European people. We are not all the same, and because of these differences we need to learn to co-exist. Therefore, Maori need a voice in Parliament. They need representation...and not just by Maori MP's who are firstly loyal to their European parties.
I had other really cool reasons but I cant remember them at the moment. |
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