By: gam.wilson@xtra.co.nz
1/10/2008
3:24 am Yahoo! Profile:
gam.wilson@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
Thank you peopleunited77
I read your posts especially the last post..I hear the passion you have for a better future for us as a people from all cultures and the dream that will come to fruition
when we continue to press on for a better NZ.It will take those who are passionate and dedicated, that will put their hands to the plough and do the hard yards,through the struggles to make the dream a reality. Maynot be perfect but it will be better than yesterday...thats progress..Aroha mai and Kia Kaha |
|
By: panianahi
1/10/2008
5:27 am Yahoo! Profile:
panianahi Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
aotea
i agree, many people dont know whats happening with maori issues in NZ. i think if anyone is to give their feedback on issues such as abolishing the maori seats in parliament, i advise they do some research before coming to any conclusions. |
|
By: teoneroaatohe
1/10/2008
9:43 am Yahoo! Profile:
teoneroaatohe Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
To reiterate; up until 1993 the only group the Maori seats privileged was the settler population, who through the creation of two separate rolls secured their political success within New Zealand. History shows us that the development of a separate electoral system for Maori was a control mechanism devised by the colonial government to contain the Maori vote. Today any proposal to abolish Maori seats echoes this same sentiment, to dilute the Maori voice in the nation’s political fora because it no longer benefits the class of people it was originally intended to. Funny how things have changed; tihei mauriora !
Perhaps we should think about abolishing some of these general seats ...LOL |
|
By: the_paua
1/10/2008
10:04 am Yahoo! Profile:
the_paua Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
teoneroaatohe
My brother... Amen to that... The issue is that the original reason for the maori seats was because the right to vote was determined by land ownership... The native lands act, was brought in to individualise Maori land ownership (which was a political tool to speed up land acquisition)... This suddenly made the Maori vote a very significant one, which needed to be controled, and so the Maroi seats were brought in, and Maori were FORCED to enrole for the Maori seats only, and the imbalance of representation was like 10-1...
So though the Maori seats were brought in as a control, they have grown into something quite different, and their meaning and significance have evloved, to a point where they are no longer about coloinial control and more about self determination...
They represent a move from Kawanatanga to Rangatiratanga... and are now a focal point for Maori in politics...
So you can not get rid of them because their ORIGINAL purpose has gone, you can only get rid of them if their CURRENT purpose goes... and I don't see that ever happening... |
|
By: kaituna2003
1/10/2008
12:37 pm Yahoo! Profile:
kaituna2003 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
There's a serious guessing game going on in Parliament -- what will the Maori Party do after the election?
It's serious because the party could hold the balance of power, and it's guesswork because the enigmatic comments of its MPs aren't giving the clue-seekers much to go on.
The Maori Party holds four seats now. It's considered likely to win two more, and it could clean sweep all seven.
That could make it the third largest party in Parliament post-election, unless the Greens improve on their current six seats and New Zealand First recovers sufficiently in the polls to bring back the seven it has now.
The way the figures stack up, Labour plus the Greens plus NZ First could come close to the National Party and its ally ACT.
If that happened, the Maori Party could be in the middle and in a position to determine which of the main parties leads the next government.
Some comments from its MPs have been taken as pointers to an arrangement supporting National.
Co-leader Pita Sharples sees Prime Minister Helen Clark as "getting near the end of her time" -- although he thinks she's a great leader -- while Hone Harawira likens the Government to "a coalition corpse".
But that sort of thing might not mean much when the crunch comes, because the Maori Party is going to look for the best deal it can get.
What it wants is influence without losing its special identity. After three years of neutrality in Parliament it has gained a good reputation as a hard working, responsible unit. Its MPs have spoken on every bill that has been debated, which is a lot more than other minor parties have taken the trouble to achieve.
And apart from Harawira's occasional meltdowns, there hasn't been any particularly unusual behaviour.
But it hasn't achieved anything it can hold up as evidence of its presence, like the policies the Greens, United Future and New Zealand First have managed to enact through their arrangements with the Government.
Sharples says the par ... |
|
By: dustine.smith@xtra.co.nz
1/10/2008
6:08 pm Yahoo! Profile:
dustine.smith@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| kiaora kiaora paua mean maori mean |
|
By: dustine.smith@xtra.co.nz
1/10/2008
6:10 pm Yahoo! Profile:
dustine.smith@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| and teoneroa kiaora kiaora!!!! |
|
By: datagarble
1/10/2008
6:19 pm Yahoo! Profile:
datagarble Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| Ruahine kaitiaki |
|
By: panianahi
2/10/2008
9:07 am Yahoo! Profile:
panianahi Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| churr! we got some sharp brothers up in here. mean. i hope you fullas are all voting maori party! haha! |
|
By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
3/10/2008
9:11 pm Yahoo! Profile:
wasullivan@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
The only thing that is learned from theses type of threads is that, generally speaking, Maori do not wish to be recognised as mainstream New Zealanders with everyone else. They shun the word Kiwi, or New Zealander, in favour of being known as Maori, despite the word Maori itself, does not describe the country in which they live. Their agenda is to educate as many mainstream New Zealanders as possible to their cultural way of thinking, via their various education programmes, rather than assimilate with mainstream education curriculum. However, their culture is shrouded in spiritual mystique that only Maori can truly understand.
Maori are afraid of loosing their special seats in Parliament because it will put them on the same par as all other New Zealanders. This does not fit with their political agenda to remain separate from mainstream NZ, because they fear it will adversely affect their cultural/ spiritual identity. They do not accept they can maintain their cultural difference, without the need for special seats in Parliament, despite the fact all other ethnicities are free and able to maintain their cultural differences, without needing special seats in parliament. Their logic does not stack up with their argument since retention of special Maori seats is not about the possible loss of cultural identity, its about probable loss of special considerations given to them over and above others.
In essence, the racial division we have in NZ, I.e. Maori Vs mainstream NZ, is driven by Govt & Maori, not by mainstream NZers. For as long as this situation exists, NZ will never be a united country. It is a sad reality that effects everyone, and for as long as it exists, there will always be racial tension in this country. |
|
By: paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
3/10/2008
9:26 pm Yahoo! Profile:
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| exactly .. we have a Maori Party, no European Party .. Maori Rugby Team, no European Rugby Team .. Maori Wardens, no European Wardens .. looks pretty racial to me |
|
By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
3/10/2008
9:30 pm Yahoo! Profile:
peopleunited77@ymail.com Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
Exactly, and who has the final say when all done and dusted concerning Maori issues and Non Maori alike!
The CROWN! a FACT the CROWN! that is who Maori and Non Maori are anwerable too, the CROWN!
Peace to all! |
|
By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
3/10/2008
9:31 pm Yahoo! Profile:
peopleunited77@ymail.com Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| typo-answerable |
|
By: paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
3/10/2008
9:37 pm Yahoo! Profile:
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| it's not the crown that created the Maori Rugby Team or Maori Wardens |
|
By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
3/10/2008
9:42 pm Yahoo! Profile:
peopleunited77@ymail.com Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
at a guess! rugby is a fantastic game and it is an excellent sport enjoyed by all! However the Maori or Native Team as it was called back in the day was established because they were not allowed to travel as so called NZ equals a fact mr fraser.
Ring the NZRFU, they have the history of rugby in this country and they will give you the HONEST answers as too why there was and is still separatism IN RUGBY! the truth if anyone actually wants to know the story,,PEACE |
|
By: paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
3/10/2008
9:53 pm Yahoo! Profile:
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| I don't see Maori jumping up and down trying to get rid of it |
|
By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
3/10/2008
9:53 pm Yahoo! Profile:
wasullivan@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
Generally speaking, most mainstream New Zealanders dont give a damn about Maori values, culture or spirituality, because they are far too busy getting on with their own way of life within NZ law.
Most New Zealanders are smart enough to know that all the warm fuzzy stuff about Maori values, culture and spirituality is just a smoke screen to promote the Maori agenda to fly their own flag, and govern themselves. |
|
By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
3/10/2008
10:49 pm Yahoo! Profile:
peopleunited77@ymail.com Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
sorry paul.fraser!
no they are not jumping up and down!
how about the white sox, the all whites, and the black kox, who are also racially ethincally based, and oh dont forget the silver ferns netballers who are multi mixed, and no there is no jumping up and down! |
|
By: paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
4/10/2008
9:14 pm Yahoo! Profile:
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| the white sox and all whites allow people of any colour, race to be selected, the silver ferns have beautiful european, island and maori girls included .... the maori rugby team does not allow full europeans to be selected, totally racially based |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
5/10/2008
1:21 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
Well!, well!
it is interesting too see that after all the input on the discussions concerning this post, after all the history and effort put into the responses, legistlative laws, parliamentary acts and Maori disproportian in regards too the Majority! etc.. you dig at sports, my! my!, you have been given some sort of explanation and your final response was an is an expected one!
How readable! racially based, aargh! mixed origin representation in the Maori rugby team, who are of a mix of ethnic cultures, I would believe!
Full Europeans?? what a joke, so what would you call this team made up of these groupings regarding race??
Makehas? Paoris? or Euromakemaori? your choice! for me they are damn fine sports men like their fellow rugby teams, like the All Blacks, the league players, Warriors, etc.. think about it paul.fraser your choice.
No doubt some of us have moved or will continue to move forward, hand in hand with the Non Maori, Euro etc in Aotearoa/New Zealand today, ( will you?), climb aboard we will not eat you or attack you! We care for the future of this country and until Peace and general agreement is reached..our faith or mine of our family and current generations ( now 8 gens in all) are trying to actively promote betterment for babies and children..etc
Peace to you paul.fraser, love this country it is our home and all ways will be, even after we are dead!
Now as for the sport issue you raise, try ping pong, or petanque! lovely sports, french and asian influenced, love the sports, how about education that might be an idea for you and respect the differences,,each too their own and have a great day sir!!.. |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
5/10/2008
6:31 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
Most New Zealanders are smart enough to know that all the warm fuzzy stuff about Maori values, culture and spirituality is just a smoke screen to promote the Maori agenda to fly their own flag, and govern themselves.
Your quote Wasullivan the above statement!!!
You are an admitted atheist, it is your choice like others who have a belief system, a choice a personal one!
'a smoke screen', wow and what is it that you may smoke? in order to cause a screen?
"the Maori Agenda", what is your agenda other than usurp Maori identity and culture? even those who are Maori/Celt are of a belief as well!
Flag flying , my oh my! you are a law unto yourself, a right to choose, so wave your banner where it matters!
The moving forward arena, rather than point out the wrongs, how about we all try to fix them together, Maori/Non - European and all of the same psyche! Is it possible, one lives and hopes so...TRUST!! |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
5/10/2008
7:09 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
The Maori Party says securing a high number of party votes, including non-Maori ballots, will be a major aim this election.
Launching its election campaign in Hamilton today, the Maori Party emphasised the importance of taking all seven Maori electorate seats this election.
But co-leader Tariana Turia said the party also wanted to improve its share of the party vote, which was less than 3 percent at the last election.
"We want both votes, not only from Maori, but non-Maori as well," Mrs Turia said.
"We've had a lot of non-Maori contacting our office because they don't know they can give their party vote to us.
"Our interest is in gaining the party vote from as many people as possible, and that includes everybody who lives here."
One party delegate told the annual meeting that it was important to get the message about the party vote to constituents.
He said there had been claims a party vote for the Maori Party was akin to voting National, which was a fallacy particularly as the Maori Party had shown its independence during the past three years in Parliament.
Mrs Turia also said the entrenchment of the Maori seats in Parliament would be a bottom line for her party, and that National would have to abandon its plans to phase the seats out from 2014 if it wanted to work with the Maori Party.
just out of todays paper for those who are interested! |
|
By: paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
5/10/2008
10:08 am Yahoo! Profile:
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| sorry my post went straight over you head mar .. why is someone with zero percent maori blood not allowed in the NZ Maori rugby team ? |
|
By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
5/10/2008
10:21 am Yahoo! Profile:
mar_ja@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
paul.fraser!
Do not be mistaken, it did not go over my head! point is the RNZFU can give you detailed facts as too why zero percent blood are not allowed in the NZ Maori Rugby Team!
the actual facts!
It is only the game of rugby for me, not the cultural identity of who is playing, that is a fact! I follow league and Rugby, a lot of sports like most people, all I care about honestly is the win! a fact and when we lose oh well..one best not go there!
My husbands late Great granduncles all five of them were in the original native team that toured overseas in the late 1800s, turn of the century so to speak!
Other than that I have no idea personally about the need for a blood quantum issue to be in sport, but it is, and yep the NZRFU can tell you the truth! |
|
By: paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz
5/10/2008
10:48 am Yahoo! Profile:
paul.fraser@xtra.co.nz Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| so we have a Maori rugy team, no European rugbt team ... a Maori Party, no European Party ... Maori Wardens, no European Wardens .. at the launch of the Maori Party campaign yesterday maori sovereignty flags everywhere, thought we were supposed to be trying for unity |
|
