By: overchill7
11/10/2008
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| Lots of maori in nz now, get rid of the seats. Most maori dont vote on race, they just want the best for there familys. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
11/10/2008
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yes you are correct in saying that overchill7, your opinion like many others, is that Maori want the best for their families, like non Maori, its reaching the balance where it can happen, it is not something that has necessarily been achieved by all, Maori and Non Maori alike!
As someone who has voted in many many elections since the late 70s, there have been vast improvements made, and how long has it taken too get an actual Maori Party into Parliament, even though there are Maori in General seats!
We too want the country that everyone is espousing about, and we are not or I and my family like many others of the fifth generation ( 8 now) are definitely not dumb or lazy or lack the mind to move forward as a result of struggles made by our Maori and Celt ancestors!
We walk the talk and live and breathe it like alot of people, so who really has the mauri or such like to stand up and be counted in the real world other than this form of discussion?? We do and that will never change..move forward and acknowledge the present first....
scroll back too the last few pages...Peacex |
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By: mozzie_fly
11/10/2008
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| I'm not part Maori, but I wish I was - regardless I think the Maori are a fundamental part of our culture and heritage as New Zealanders, and we need to make sure that Maori will always have the representation in government in the years to come when the country more and more will become a country less of Europeans and more Asian. |
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By: wheresmymarbles63
11/10/2008
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mozzie_fly - I'm not part Maori, but I wish I was
Why do you wish to be something you're not, aren't you happy in the skin you're in?? Get comfortable with who you are so you truely know yourself.
Yes as long as there are Maori or any other ethnicities in NZ then they all need to be represented in parliament, I'm sure no-one disagrees with that.
It's all been said, by me as well, but why have a party based on a race. Example - If you work, say in the steel industry, and a small group of workers formed seperate social parties, say 'Gay Steel Workers Party' whilst all steel workers would be welcomed (Some with very open arms!!) the fact remains that more than likely only gay steel workers would join.
So whilst the Maori party are welcoming to one and all, the fact remains they are only ever really going to represent Maori, and be made up of Maori members. So they are creating division, whilst I sometimes like to listen to Hone Harawira, he clearly represents all things Maori, rather than all things New Zealand.
So I stick to my original thought that political parties should not be based on race, all races should be represented in all the other, non-race based, parties...........I'm going in circles aren't I??? |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
11/10/2008
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...........I'm going in circles aren't I???
LOL! wheresmymarbles you are definitely! the choice is yours to believe in what you like! Responsibility and Accountability are like cause and affect, so as usual the time to reflect and move forward together is after the election and Nov 8th...
"So whilst the Maori party are welcoming to one and all, the fact remains they are only ever really going to represent Maori, and be made up of Maori members. So they are creating division, whilst I sometimes like to listen to Hone Harawira, he clearly represents all things Maori, rather than all things New Zealand.".......
Well yes Hone Harawira is a maori that is a fact and who else better to represent and sort Maori, clean up ones own backyard first....what is wrong with it??
Not only Maori have issues? Well just imagine for the hell of it if Hone was Chinese, well he isnt is he?
There are enough general seats in Parliament to cover the majoritY, hell there are only minimal in Maori Party..
The other Maori in Parliament like Shane Jones and Parekura and so on represent all of the country not just Maori!.....whoever you vote for is your choice wheresmymarbles, like anyone elses! Peace to all! |
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By: kiwi4wdriver
11/10/2008
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| If NZ is one country, one people why are we retaining separatist Maori seats in Parliament? It doesn't make sense. I'm Kiwi and proud of it, we should all be equal theirfore one so come on its time for the Maori to stand up and to elect people if they wish, but separate seats is susporting racisim after all only Maori can vote for these seats. Lets all be one!!! |
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By: robert_trawlerman
12/10/2008
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| dont need them dont want them ban them |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
12/10/2008
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Re:Should Maori seat's be abollished.... (PREVIEW)
dont need them dont want them ban them
sweet as trawler man...take a hike and perhaps understand some people are not as entrenched in grievance mode like others.....and no you dont have too want them so shift or vote for someone else, wow! dont you think Sue Bradford is absolutely stunning and well hey,,your choice and beg to differ is a human trait, even subhuman in fact...
Peace to you and yours! |
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By: robert_trawlerman
12/10/2008
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| why do i have to take a hike cos i dont want it what are you saying that i have to love maris get real |
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By: teoneroaatohe
12/10/2008
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| nah man you need to love yourself |
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By: kiwi4wdriver
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| I agree with Trawler man, its now time to make New Zealand one and ban the Maori Seats. We now have the Maori party why should we have separate seats as well? |
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By: tiare562004
12/10/2008
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| dayammmm, phew, read all the comments and now need to sit down and have a drink .. lmao. |
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By: tgod_123
13/10/2008
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Isnt this just another example of the lack of knowledge for this countries history???
There should actually be an increase in the Maori seats
ref: NZ Constitutional Act 1852! |
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By: tgod_123
13/10/2008
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Have a read of this - might actually learn something about Maori and Maori seats.
http://www.elections.org.nz/democracy/history/maor i-vote.html |
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By: tgod_123
13/10/2008
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| Notice the link - DEMOCRACY????? |
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By: nancypeters@xtra.co.nz
13/10/2008
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| definately abollish the Maori seats, no full blooded ones around anyway, we are all one, it is the same as having the Maori rugby team, most of them are islanders and white, might have a drip of Maori blood in them but that is all |
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By: tgod_123
13/10/2008
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| No they need to be increased as more maori are identifying themselves as Maori. |
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By: teoneroaatohe
13/10/2008
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| no worries nancy go vote for your cuz winston LoL !! |
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By: onelazyhori
27/10/2008
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how do you know that there are no full blooded maoris? and what does it matter anyway? what makes a maori? if you see a brown person do you think of them as a new zealander or do you think of them as a maori or a tongan or a samoan and so forth, do you see them as normal or different. most often it isn't the maoris that are defining themselves as maori, it is others.
also you should look up what a maori is according to this country. all it is, is a person of maori descent who identifies as a maori, it is not based on percentage, it is based on heritage. also up til 1975 only half castes or above could vote on the maori seats and only after that did the census stop asking maori what percentage they were.
i don't know where you got your information about no full-blooded maoris left, you might have gotten confused with the last full-blooded moriori dying, but you are showing a common ignorance amongst new zealanders. |
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By: onelazyhori
27/10/2008
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| new zealand is one? it hasn't been 'one' in it's history. if 'one' means that the other has to lose it identity, picture losing yours. |
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By: mike_f596
27/10/2008
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| reverse that too .. as long as there are two ..then one has to lose ident' ..or ,they could merge .. as long as there is two or more ... how can they then be one lol. |
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By: yellowzigzag123
27/10/2008
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| imagine if the moari won the election and had full cntrol over how this country would be run.the debate at 7clock on channel one, winston and rodney hide were the only two who spoke direct on what they were asked and acted like leaders, the rest wanted to know what was said there, said one thing verbally and asked spiritially whats she said there.they talked down on the public head. .an honest person stands talk and speaks from the heart, nosy ones down their anger on others, and want to and have there say in what they think some one else said,he wanted to take her out, the moari leader said.take who out whats that gopt to do with the debate on politics. |
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By: scoulter@xtra.co.nz
27/10/2008
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| They should be abollished, now there is a maori party there is no need for them. |
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By: public_emilly
27/10/2008
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| no they should not. Maori seats ensure Maori representation as per the partnership of the treaty of waitangi and also ensure that Maori have a voice on Maori issues in parliament. |
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By: scarface_weka
27/10/2008
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maori this, maori that, maori whatever ...........reeks of apartheid !
The word "partnership" does not appear anywhere in the damned treaty! |
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