By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
29/09/2008
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OMG Wassullivan - "if Maori dont get their act together and use the payouts wisely to stand on their own feet". How could you make such a judgamental superior statement? You are probably one of those people who gobbled up the media hype about Tainui and their failed $43 million investment...but sympathised with Air NZ who lost over $100 million in the same month and had to bailed out by the Government.
Neh. Wrong!. Im one of those people who see heaps wasted on legal fees, and yes some mismanagement already too. Just as well most Maori now see the importance of an education to survive in the twenty-first century eh. All good in my book. Its part of why I support the compensation payouts. It forces Maori to learn to look after it. I have more faith that most Maori will, than you do. |
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By: phejaynetwerks
29/09/2008
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I'm not racist in my views and we would like to believe that is so for the majority. I have experienced racism from various nationalites...not so much in words, but in action and by omission. I can't remember when I was last invited to a Pakeha BBQ! Oops! May be it's just a senior moment on my part. Should Maori seats be abolished? Lets turn the page and say, 'Should pakeha seats be abolished or any other nationality?' All seem very keen to look after their interests. It's great! Parliamentarians do dialogue and work together. The bottom line is to do what is right and good in the process as best as one knows how. A lot has already been achieved and the wheels turn oh so slowly. I do think there is a tendency to dwell too much on the negatives when the positives outweigh it and stare us in the face. Maybe it is the way the masses have been educationally and mentally conditioned.Yes there are some clever Maoris too making a lot of difference as well as other ethnicities for New Zealand, but being good doesn't appear to be too news worthy...eh? I do like to savour the efforts of the 'do gooders' rather than the 'no do gooders'. I choose not to point the finger here. Who are the perfect ones then? Healthy debate and mistakes even inadvertant ones will continue.
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chris phoenix...I just logged on and saw your pathetic reply... so you think maori get treated better than other "new zealanders'... I dont see any other 'new zealanders' here who have been robbed of all of their assets... do you??? is that what you call ..'better traetment'... to get robbed of billions of dollars worth of assets by your 'fellow new zealanders'??!!
and you talk as if all maori are on the doll... they wouldnt be had they not been robbed blind by pakeha legislators...
Once again.. a maori is a new zealander...a pakeha is a fair skinned foreigner living in new zealand...
and to wa sullivan.. maori are a tribe .. descendant of rangatira... regardless of where they are born...
to the rest of you ignorants... article two of the treaty is written in maori... it is simply an acknowledgement by the sovereign crown of england of the sovereign authority of maori over their own lands estates... |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
29/09/2008
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Phew I finally caught up and its not even my thread, But I cant help myself when I come across so much one eyed BS, no doubt posted by young people who dont have the benefit of age and experience on their side. I love how the wheels of democracy work, and yes they might well work slowly, unless rushed in under urgency that Labour has done so much of, without too much consideration given to what the public really want. One thing I will say is I especially love the fact we are supposed to have a secular Govt that looks past minority spiritual values or religious beliefs, and is supposed to be there for the majority rule that voted them in. If only we can hold them to that. As an ex labour supporter, I recone the labour Govt sold this country down they drain with the last 9 years of nanny state reform. We all look at the cost of that today which so clearly reflects in our disrespectful youth and rising crime stats, Hard workers and families, begging for working-for-family handouts instead of being able to earn a liveable wage on their own, and good folk leaving for other shores by the plane loads.
This Govt should have gotten the sack in the last election, but managed to hang in there by the skin of its teeth with fancy foot work. I predict a landslide in Nationals favour this time round. Since most of us are not on the dole, are not Maori, not gang members, and are sick and tired of being stuck on low wages that do not keep up with devaluation and inflation of other costs etc. |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Shyte here we go again.
So you just logged in and havent bothered to read the last 7 pages before you start throwing around your activist views. Give it up man, your not impressing anyone. Its BS like yours that are turning ALL ethnicities off your agenda, including many of your own people who have a life already. Those like the bros I get together with, to jam out sounds with, every other week. Hard working, fun loving part Maori who do not see themselves as victims. I have not said this before on any of these threads, but I co-own a house I share with a woman older than me, who has 3 adult sons, all one eighth Tuhoe Maori who will all give you a run for your money. They dont see themselves as victims of Pakeha either. They took full advantage of the system and got an education instead. |
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By: philliphunter64
30/09/2008
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| no maori seats shudnt be abollished cuase its one way way of keeping the stinking lieing pollies running the show honest . |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
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Once again.. a maori is a new zealander...a pakeha is a fair skinned foreigner living in new zealand...
Faaark off you racist bigot. It was a healthy debate till you turned up here.
Kings_guard
The Raupo Dictionary of Modern Maori, clearly defines Pakeha, as a person being of European/Caucasian decent. The Maori Language Commission confirm this, but also add that this does not mean anyone born in say England or Scotland is a Pakeha. It strictly means a New Zealander of European/Caucasian decent. So all you people out there who say, Pakeha simply means anyone who is non Maori, or white folk just living here are wrong. This includes you. My elders fought 2 world wars to prevent you having to learn German or Japanese, you prize p.r.i.c.k They also worked night and day to help make NZ what it is, so you can enjoy the benefits of their sweat and toil. Faark off you ignoramus.
If Maori are so proud to call themselves New Zealanders, then why do so many prefer to call themselves Maori first? and hardly New Zealanders or Kiwis at all? Im only fifth generation here, but I dont go round introducing myself as a Honky, or Pakeha, or European first. I am proud to say Im a Kiwi, or New Zealander. Go and crawl back under your rock.
But if your so smart ehore, what do Maori call anyone else that is Non Maori, AND Non Pakeha, but still have the right to call themselves a New Zealander, as much as you or I do? I bet you cant answer it. |
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By: phejaynetwerks
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| Hi there, wasullivan. I do believe the best place to make a difference is in our homes with our whanau and address first the person in the mirror. Are we ourselves the kind of role models we or our children should follow...doing to others as we would like done to us. The government is never going to be the great fix it all but it's currently the best we have as an adjunct. People vote them in and should have a measure of accountability for doing just that. Few seem to excercise assertiveness in their own back yards and it almost smack of self-righteousness. Ever made mistakes? Who hasn't. There are be consequences for errors applicable to all. And by the way...where do we get the notion that the money belongs to us, the public. I didn't print it. I do read on the currency notes 'The Reserve Bank Of New Zealand' and signed by a govenor. Who steps in if we are bad stewards over the ammounts we receive ourselves? No offence intended here. The above I apply to myself. Kia Ora e hoa. Good korero. |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
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Bullshyte, it a way of subjugating Maori, to vanquish them into subjection. The sooner we get rid of special this and that for the few the better. Maori have had longer than any other race to assimilate, via example and education to deal with the real world out there in the twentieth and twenty-first century. The real world its not here in NZ. The real big ginormous trading world is out there. If it sneezes, we catch pneumonia. If it crashes, we crash too. It controls us, we do not control it.
If you get all our produce that is produced in the Bay of Plenty/ Hawkes Bay region, in a year, and sent it all off to New York. New York would eat the whole lot is just 6 weeks, and thats only one city in America. Hope that puts thing into perspective of what New Zealand produces, compared to the rest of the trading world. |
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Hey Bro. Read heaps this morning. Seems so many are on a diet of lemons. Cough, cough! Anyway I choose to avoid that menu and get some historical engredients into the mix. You know what? If we dig deep enough and go back far enough into our whakpapa s, some very distastefull historical accounts will be unveiled about all national- ities. Actually the maori were living quite well by their values before colonisation was even in the minds of marauding anglo saxons. Trickery and deceit was applied in aquiring a land that did not belong to them. There was no effort to educate the 'natives' first before wheeling and dealing and praying upon the ignorance of the initial residents. This trait was duplicated around the globe...not just New Zealand using the Bible in one hand and a sword or a gun in the other and carrying diseases that did not exist here, almost wiping out the maori.. That's was sad and bad as! Have a good one mate.
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Morning Wasul!
sorry to munt up your post, but as usual we are all up and what do you know couldnt resist, so my neice and I are being helpful lol................have a great day brotha! |
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By: markymarcnz
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| just a kind reminder to all that according to Maori protocol we are all still considered "visitors" here and although we or our ancestors have settled here since the mid 1800's the land still belongs to them. I know many will then play the 'who was here first card' ie: the moriori was here before the maori yet science and history reveal that they both co existed here long before the european. this question should re edited and posted as "Maori have every right to have seats in Parliament what is Pakehas excuse for having there own seperate electoral roll?" Depending on which waka you paddle can determine which question you will ultimately answer in the negative or rock my shoes off in the positive! |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
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You are the type of Maori I would be proud to invite into my home, to offer you a feed from the family pot, and call you my brother. I agree with all you say, but one thing you say sticks out in particular.
- I do believe the best place to make a difference is in our homes with our whanau and address first the person in the mirror. Are we ourselves the kind of role models we or our children should follow...doing to others as we would like done to us.-
I trust this includes how to teach them to pay proper respects to all of their Ancestry at once, not just the Maori side. And to be proud of it all at once when introducing themselves to others, not just the Maori part. On that level you should end up with well balanced kids. That is if they dont get stuffed up by their peers at school etc. We can but try. The rest is up to them eh? |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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For those who are registered Maori Party supporters and voters, the ideaology and the history of when and why there are Maori in Parliament and what purpose they serve!
needs to be fully understood and recognised!
Yes in todays modern Parliament and Government it is still deemed necessary to have Maori representation, even though there are Maori Mps in other parties, predominantly Labour.
It goes without saying that Maoridom as a separate is there as a result of.........historical colonial Governments. While times have changed for Maori and Non alike, there would be a social crisis in the country if the said "Maori Party", as a stand alone political party were not taken seriously, why? it is my opinion that the wounds that are slowly healing in regards to past issues in todays Settlements etc...will only fester again if the so called grievance issues are not settled with Maori and the crown and those who do support them!
Unity will only happen if they are allowed to participate as a political party to aid and assist the legal legislative process in conjunction with other major parties such as Nat or Labour! However Tariana Turia may need to address her leadership, the political climate in this country at present is tense for some so to speak!
Does NZ/Aotearoa support civil unrest in order to achieve the Unity that so many people desire?
Hand in Hand with!! not without.....United to achieve the result....as a former labour supporter who is seeking active change, one is not too fussed how it comes, the stance is for the future, the future of all..........in this country!
from a now national supporter! and whoever takes power to rule in Aotearoa/New Zealand..............nov 8th will determine where the country heads!
Peace to all!!!! |
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Just a little bit of encouragement here bro. If that is what you think of the 'pollies' then it must apply to ourselves in the same instant. I can guarantee you that we as a fellow human-beings have smelled and lied just like those being condemned at sometime. You see...it's what comes out the mouth of a person that will justify or condemn you. This is an extension of the condition of the heart. And quite frankly some of what is said actually demeans the very person who says it. We all have the potential to do good. It is whether we choose to or not. How is your back yard bro? Will your family be praising you when you finally are laid in your grave. I sincerely encourage you to seek to bless others. What goes around...comes around. Cool? Call in for a cup of tea and maori bread sometime.
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
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You are the type of Maori I would be proud to invite into my home, to offer you a feed from the family pot, and call you my brother. I agree with all you say, but one thing you say sticks out in particular.
- I do believe the best place to make a difference is in our homes with our whanau and address first the person in the mirror. Are we ourselves the kind of role models we or our children should follow...doing to others as we would like done to us.-
I trust this includes how to teach them to pay proper respects to all of their Ancestry at once, not just the Maori side. And to be proud of it all at once when introducing themselves to others, not just the Maori part. On that level you should end up with well balanced kids. That is if they dont get stuffed up by their peers at school etc. We can but try. The rest is up to them eh?
Mar; what you doing here? Your supposed to be on holiday! Everyone did the big whoflung thingie for you, and bid you safe journey, and a hasty return, but just one day away is not long enough to warrant such a dramatic goodbye is it? You must be addicted to these threads I recone. Gonna send you a supper funny gif right now. Youll love it. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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actually Wasullivan,
this is mar@xtra.co.nzs niece who is also currently active in education and legislative laws and education in this country and I am based in Hamilton teaching secondary!
I am here for a holiday and support my aunty for the betterment of the children of the future, I am her next generation a Maori/Celt but younger...
Having lectured at Waikato University, it is imperative that better knowledge about Politics in regards to Maori and the Non be understood as the country heads in to the election....
as we share the same Ideals it is only common for assistance to be given when dealing with children and the suffering...
from hsmith@ xtra. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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and no! it is not an addiction, other than my aunty doing her usual, up early and getting things organised for us, she is just like that thank you very much!!
Who are you anyway Wasul! and I read her post, and she is very humbled by it cause that is how she is in real life staunch, vocal and does have humility...
I as her niece read the board this morning and have thought about the input, and we are grateful aunty and uncle have been there for us...so do not say those things about us or her!!
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Hey...kia ora my man! That's all cool. My awesome wife and I have been married 45 years and we have 10 great...but not so perfect children, so we have had a little bit of experience learning and practicing to be better role models for them. We love them all dearly. We are all in the big melting pot and we will find some healthy common ground if we just keep trying and don't spit the dummy. Just lean on me if you got troubles brother... as the song goes. Time is overdue for the people to live as one. And if you are ever round my way call in for a cuppa. You will be welcome. But don't expect to see angels. OK?
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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Wasullivan:
frm hsmith c/- of mar@xtra!
what business is it of yours anyway?? aunty hopes the board will dissappear! while she and us are grateful for the support shown on it, its has been read by me and our uncle and what is on it is her/his and our reality in todays modern society!
not glory seeking people and what do you mean when you say what you said too her? we do not fuss about too much, as it is each day as it comes while we are on holiday here from the Waikato, and our niece/grandniece!!
I as her neice using her laptop/comp am intrigued that the politics concerning women and children are rated so low in the social policy arena!
so Wasul whoever you are! BLOW IT OUT YOUR EAR!!! |
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Phe jay
Sounds great. Will have to bring my axe ( guitar ) for a jam with you maybe. I can tap out on the back of it as well as I rhythm the front, so if you got a singing voice and play abit of lead or bass, it could turn out to be a real hootinannie. You are welcome to post my email addy regards what area you live, to see if I can make it that far, since for medical reasons I got no licence to drive anywhere. |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Thats ok, niece of mar. Am so sorry for the confusion created by you using mars computer in her absence. Im so glad Im on better footing with your auntie mar than I appear to be with you. Please give her my regards when you next see her.
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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Wasullivan!!
when she is finished getting our grandnephew sorted I will! and yes she has added to some other posts this morning for the hell of it! to share a joke or two!
confusion is a human trait and we are by no means perfect!
thank you again
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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WASULLIVAN_
some words for you to learn in English and Maori!
Help and Support - Manaakitanga and Tautoko
Family - Whanau
Love - Aroha
Pakeke - Elder
Humility or Humble - Humarie!
from hsmith c/- mar@xtra. co. nz
learn them, they are helpful words for anyone or all those who choose too... thank you again and yes aunty has just informed me what your ideaology is!! |
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Yeah like I came down in the last shower, lol. I must be more careful who I get close to in future. |
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