By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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what are you talking about? we are not liars or playing around!
if I have offended you it is my fault Wasullivan, not my aunties!
you can believe what you like, it was a misunderstanding from myself when reading the boards.
and I did not come down in the last shower either.
my mistake. aunty and uncle always help so if you were offended I do apologise and we are not here to upset anyone and if it is a problem for anyone it was not meant to be that way.
hsmith mar@ xtra.co! |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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WASULLIVAN!
I and we on behalf of our family who are here on holiday apoligise sincerely for the humiliation and confusion that we may have caused you in the previous postings!
It was not designed to cause you the loss of credibility or the preservation of your purpose and contributions to the threads.
My niece as already stated works in the Education sector in Hamilton in secondary arena and actively promotes advancement for young girls of all ethnic groups, for the future as it is a private school.
It was not meant to belittle you at all, our apologies again and yes you are entitled to your opinions like anyone else. It is a sensitive issue politics and Maori politics for all people!
Respect for all and your inputs Wasullivan and respect for others who have differing views.
Thank you and I hope it clears up the cross purposes and confusion for all who follow the threads, |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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| and while one is learning extra computer skills I will make sure that when shared computer usage is happening said neice will add under her own id, it was an accident after all and she followed through after me while I skived off to do other things... |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Thanks Mar
Apology accepted.
Niece of mar. how do you like the taste of crow? You are forgiven for having the guts to try it, like most of us have at some time or another. Lets all hope for a better day tomorrow for all New Zealanders eh.
Over and out for now. Time for me to have a moe.
Ant |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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okay Wasullivan point taken and hope all goes well with the rest of your day...
may the debate for the Maori Party continue for all other posters and our apologies for too others who will add!
and yes humble pie??? have a nice day!
mar@xtr and jshsmith peace to all |
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By: matchymad
30/09/2008
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| Dont care about the seats. What i do care about is my wife and kids ,We kiwis are fighting over the past when we should be looking forward, hard times are coming. |
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By: doinchzeffla
30/09/2008
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Just imagine the uproar if someone was to gather together a large group of fed up working class New Zealand born Europeans, who are forever being directly blamed for the maoris ignorance over the signing of the treaty of waitangi, and form the WHITES ONLY PARTY, I imagine that might be called RACISIM!
I believe the maori party is racist towards anybody who isnt a maori, its just blatent double standards, DOWN WITH THE MAORI PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Doinchzcomeinyards?
What do you mean, DOWN WITH THE MAORI PARTY? They have as much right to stand as any other party. What a silly thing to say. If you had of said, DOWN WITH SEPERATISM you might have won favour.
Im off to bed. Good morning. I hope its a better afternoon when I wake up. |
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By: nadine.kramer@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Well i was enjoying this debate last night. Just reading back it looks as if we had some true racest posting this morning (that spoils a good debate). I had a simple question last night.
Can you help me understand in which way they differ. I dont disagree there should be some compensation. But this was already in motion before the Maori party, i dont beleive there presence has alted this much. Other than land clames, what other reason is there to have these seats.
I said last night if all New Zealanders had the right to vote for th Maori party, IT SHOULD STAY THE SAME. Because this is not true, IT NEEDS TO CHANGE so this is possible.
Every person has the right to start a party as long as the rules are the same for everyone. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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nadine!
the questions you are asking and the answers you want for them are easily accessed via Parliament sites www.govt.nz, and then access Maori Party and other parties then you might be broadly informed...!
Uniting people is for all, and information relating to politics is helpful.. all available on govt.nz web sites, use your computer! |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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It is interesting to read the discussion concerning the Maori Party and politics in general, if the country and the people in it want the same, one for all and all for one and equal rights, it would be necessary to do it hand in hand, with each other and other people of different ethnic persuasions.
The idyllic Nz that everyone is wanting will happen with co-operation that involves all new zealanders! Maori and those who are not. |
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By: nadine.kramer@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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| I agree, we need to work hand in hand. I am not against the Maori party and it makes me ashamed to be a New Zealander when i see remarks made on this thread that are nothing but pure racesium. I just get really annoyed when people use pass wrong doings and thinking they are hard done by as a reason to have the Maori party. I beleive partys should be there to help people with current issues etc...(and if they are doing that.. well done). Not to pull up things from the pass, and have people blame me (because im european) on things that happened years ago. I do see a lot of hate in some comments from the Maori party that fuel anger in the general public, this is what also concerns me. |
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By: geetee53@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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| The seats should go as they are based on race It is supposed to illegal to base anything on race in new Zealand. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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Maori Mps are already on the general role supporting issues for all of NZ not only Maori, it would be an idea that other Maori Mps like those in the Maori Party will be able to do the same, work to words a general consensus!
That is not what is happening at the moment I do agree, but legislation and laws that are being used today are those set down by the Current government and those before, so yes it is possible that the said Party can be dissolved and be part and part of the wider scale
In order for that to happen it is the Government of today that is trying to do that, please some of the people some of the time and not all, its called Democracy. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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Shane Jones and Parekura Horomia!
Georgina Te Heu Heu and many others, they do not only represent Maori because they are Maori Mps, their interests concern all of the country.
Grievances and Settlements are being sorted as we speak, and yes they concern things from the past, that is plain too see, I as a voter am going for change for the future, singling out one party based on race is pathetic.
Read your history of Parliament and Governments present day that is and everyone might get some idea that all want the same thing in some strange way. |
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By: nadine.kramer@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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| i agree. and i love your name PEOPLEUNITED, because this is what we need to all beleive in for our childrens future. I dont wont to think my sons are still having this debate when they are my age, i would rather them be building a better future hand in hand with Maoris and other races alike. |
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By: aoteabeachbabe
30/09/2008
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Non maori will always claim the seats should go, thats about a lack of understanding and the inability to accept that the white oppressors in NZ tried their hardest to wipe out the Maori.
Get over it and accept that we have the seats and they will stay. Maori now know clearly, Nats will abolish them. Voting National for Maori is a non event. |
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By: nadine.kramer@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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| aoteabeachbabe you have by all accounts spent too much time in the sun and have not read back over these posts, its dumb unfounded comments like that that fuel anger in this country. And dont try to presume no Maoris will vote for another party, that is just stupied and you have helped to validate some of my comments. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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There is nothing more damning in politics when certain individuals and Mps in Government cause rifts among themselves and cannot agree, like damn kids, and before anyone realises it, the whole country is up in arms!
This is indicative of what we have representing our Country today a bunch of school kids who get paid good money to behave like kindergarten children. Are they all Maori Mps doing this? One doubts it, it is usually the Majority representaatives, its a fact.
It doesnt matter to some, but Maori representation in the future will be seen to represent all when consensus is achieved. For that to happen it has to be hand in hand with Maori or Non, it isnt going to happen overnight!
Due process just like any other country in the world where democracy is a continuum, majority and minority and the voice of the people alike, regardless of race colour or creed
A united country! It is achievable! Rome was not built in a day that is a fact. Time is the dictator here and hopefully politicians who dont shaft the voter, same syndrome applies to all, good politician and bad politician! Have you ever heard of an HONEST politician? |
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By: aoteabeachbabe
30/09/2008
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Im sure as hell not reading all the posts in this thread.
Ive posted my opinions .. I havent bothered abusing anyone, why do you feel you must abuse me?
So, I validate some of your comments. Why should that worry me, or you? |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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nadine.kramer!
I totally agree with you the children are the future, they are the ones that should be nutured and learn to grow in a country that no longer decries racism and separatism!
Children of the future regardless of race thats the aim and no they should not be shackled too the past!
Paving the way is the answer today and it is happening!
For those Maori and Non Maori and other ethnic groups who want a better future for all!
ROCK ON! |
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By: ednaerenaisaacs@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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people like you must be colour blind The one shoe fits all does not apply have a look around, Keep the maori seats,all indigenous people all over The world have been misplaced in their own country why? because of assimulation
we should learn from one another not take away their cultural rites we are all different so are our needs and wants |
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By: autotarget
30/09/2008
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To put this thread back on track...NO the Maori seats should not be abolished. Pakeha have been crying about taking back what they created for their own racist purposes since 1902. It aint gonna happen!
Blaming Maori for Pakeha creations - the Treaty, the Maori seats and Separatism is a cop-out.
There should always have been one law for all New Zealanders. But as all Maori know, there never was.
So is it racist to say there should be one law for everyone, now that Maori losses are almost absolute? From the beginning Pakeha have always been good at creating "Laws of Convenience".
Oh, and moaning...theyre very good at moaning. |
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By: peopleunited77@ymail.com
30/09/2008
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Politics in any country other than NZ marginalises the minority or the indigenous, its a fact. The invading conquerors, this country post treaty of Waitangi 1840 is relatively new in history, in regards to its foundations, a fact!
Maori people like any other should have their issues addressed, as already said Rome was not built in a day, and the widening chasm that has happened is a result of successive changes and laws put in place post and present.
Marginalised people are always going to get the raw end of the deal, so healing the rift requires a general consensus between politicians for a start other than the regular mr or mrs joe public..
for the future, a future for all, not just Maori everyone! If that is not indicated in the former posts I have contributed, it is a case of reading between the lines, this form of communication does not hold mind reading capabilities!! a fact, |
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By: nadine.kramer@xtra.co.nz
30/09/2008
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Autotarget
please do not put all eggs in one basket, that is a cop-out. I as a european did not create any treaty, and have had nothing to do with it. If you wont to hear moaning listen to the likes of proudcannible etc...and where in any of these posts have i blamed maoris for anything. You have a one track mind, you see all Europeans as your enemy. Until you understand this is not the case, our country will never move forward, and thats a shame. |
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