By: the_paua
7/10/2008
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nicolte
Yeah but it doesn't quite work that way does it... I may vote Green, but I love my steak and have been known to chop a tree or two down, and drive a V8...
You are right you can never be Maori or a Pacific Islander, but that does not mean you can't appreciate what they are trying to do politically, and it certainly doesn't mean you can't vote for them...
The Maori Party have never said, you have to be Maori to join our party, nor have they said we don't want Pakeha involvement... and they have always said that by promotong Maori issues they firmly believe that this is good for ALL NZ...
This is politics Nicolte... it is about voting for someone or a party whose principles and policies you support and there are no idealologies or enthnicities in the polling booth, just you a voting form and a pen...
You too can vote for the Maori Party or the NZ Pacific Party... no one can or will stop you, just because your skin is pale... |
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By: nicolte@xtra.co.nz
7/10/2008
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hahahaha
Point conceded the_paua!!!! Well put :-)
I truly believe in some of the policies that the Maori Party stand for, and perhaps if they were called "the Aotearoa Party" I would not feel the same exclusion. |
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By: the_paua
7/10/2008
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always good chatting buddy... love a person who will be convinced by a resonable argument...
hahaha...
have a good day... |
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By: autotarget2
7/10/2008
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nicolet: It is not customary for Maori to vote for the Maori party just because they are Maori. There are no expectations - and Maori dont follow 'just because'.
Polynesians on the other hand are pressured and 'expected' to vote for other Polynesians - even if they are as dishonest and untrustworthy as Phillip Taitoa. |
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By: autotarget2
7/10/2008
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but I do think it was stupid to call the Maori Party - the Maori Party. THe name alone puts non-maori into defense mode and stirs up ill feelings towards Maori who had nothing to do with it.
The Pacific Party includes a lot of cultures - including Kiwis who are a big part of the Pacific. |
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By: pasefikaaotearoa
7/10/2008
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| nadine, come come. No need to shoot off like that! The pacific party is a further refection of where NZ is located. Secondly, NZ's Tagata Fanua (Tangata Whenua) are Maori and are of Pacific ancestory. The Papalagi (Pakeha -like yourself?) who have settled here are welcome of course, to acknowledge that you are in the Pacific. Now, before you shoot off again, the advantage of thinking Pacific is that it squarely places you roots and all where you should be placed- in Oceania, the beautiful, largest ocean in the world, not in England, or New York or Peking or Seoul or Calcutta etc. Having accepted that, then you can begin to expand your 'local' horizons horizontally instead of vertically - ie to Europe and Asia etc. You got me? Then we can start to say positive things about your Polynesian neighbours instead of 'biased, unfriendly, limited and unintelligent murmurings such as you seem to be muttering. There you go again! PC is a big con by big businesses, white majorities who hide behind democratic 'rights'. |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
7/10/2008
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Im in favour of an Inclusive Mammal Party. (IMP) to represent all mammals that live in NZ. In particular, those mammals who reside in NZ that are part of the 1141 mammals world wide that are about to become extinct. As top mammal in NZ, we have a duty to look after all other mammals too. If us top mammals do not save them, we are guilty of mass mammal genocide. Im sure thats something no responsible caring mammal would want to have on their conscience.
A law could be passed that allows all mammals that cannot read or write, become recognised as honorary members of an inclusive mammal society, along with the rest of us mammal that are literate.
Each species of mammal in NZ could hold an honorary seat in Parliament to represent their own particular plight of becoming extinct.
Im sure you all agree that the extinction of an entire mammal species is of far more concern to all mammals than the stupid petty things some of us mammals worry about, particularly since the extinction of our fellow mammals is caused by the top mammals on the block. - US. |
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By: the_paua
7/10/2008
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| Maori have had other parties try and capture the interest of the Maori people... But none really took... Mana Motuhake, came close and formed a big part of the Aliance Party, but the Maori Party is simple and it works... |
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By: gumby1@xtra.co.nz
7/10/2008
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| Sadly, irrespective of whether there is or is not a pacific party, it won't get off the ground because pacific people don't vote. This is a fact if you look at statistics of various registered ethnicities who are eligible to vote and either are not registered or simply don't vote. Whether you like it or not, a political party which is set up to cater for the needs of one particular ethnic sector of the community is race-based.... it has to be by definition. What should happen is for each mainstream polticial party to set up a ministry to look after specific affairs.... and guess what, there already IS a ministry of Pacific Affairs.! |
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By: pasefikaaotearoa
7/10/2008
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| Wasullivan, you sound like a mammal in distress! Let the Pacific Party come to your aid- as its policies are organised to assist in the maintenance of cultures and languages of Pacific peoples in Aotearoa.Er these mammals as you call them, at least recognise the plight that befalls them, BUT the other mammals you talk about (tongue in cheek that is) dont have a show, and its a pity because they too have become casualties in the advance of industrialised 'earthlings led by western, individualised idiots who are now exposed as greedy mammals! |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
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| Most mammals dont vote either. Thats why those who dont are becoming extinct. |
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By: pasefikaaotearoa
7/10/2008
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| Sob stories aside, you miss the point kaituna. As a part-Maori (your comments elswhere) you should not throw stones, or if that is not clear enough, you should know better than to describe a crime that is committed by idiots regardless of their colour or their ethnicity! It may help you to try a different approach...try and make friends with a Samoan that you work with or live with or go to the pub with or play rugby with etc etc. Its better than remaining locked up in your 'mental prison' |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
7/10/2008
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Pasefikaaotearoa.
Nah thanks. You fellas would allow anyone into your party and end up with a barnyard of chooks and turkeys and emus with their head in the sand, and theres not shortage of them.
The Inclusive Mammal Party only represents mammals, to help our fellow mammals from becoming extinct. Ours is a much noble cause than yours. |
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By: pasefikaaotearoa
7/10/2008
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| Yes, and that is why systems organised by old and worn out mammals (of your genre and cell-types)are becoming unstuck and will be xticnt along with your systems |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
7/10/2008
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Pasefikaaotearoa.
The Inclusive Mammal Party stands for Anti Mammal Extinction, despite origin of cell type, as its main core principle.
What does your party stand for, that could be possibly be more important than that? |
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By: wasullivan@xtra.co.nz
7/10/2008
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Pasefikaaotearoa.
- The other mammals you talk about (tongue in cheek that is) dont have a show. -
The Pacifica party should be ashamed of itself for writing off the other mammals so casually. No wonder the world is in a mess. I recone if a United Mammal Party was started here it would soon become a global political franchise, given that most higher life forms on the planet are mammals. We are the ones becoming extinct, not the birds. |
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By: pasefikaaotearoa
9/10/2008
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| wasullivan: mammals of 2 legged nature and change colour under numerous physical and emotional stress are the 'cause' of the disaster and mess the planet earth is experiencing! This particular brand set out under a banner to 'modernise' / industrialise fellow mammals -for their own good. This is the mammal type (your phenotype)that has brought about disaster to all life -especially your class of higher formed mammal-in such a short space of time - now thats calling a spade a spade. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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Well said pacifick! so subtle and too the point!
good on you! |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
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that is what is so funny about the so called superior mammal much like a whale, and getting harpooned and drag netted out of the sea, rather painful considering the other fish like the dolpin will spring forth and try to protect the human when out in the ocean!
The dolphin such a treasured species, much like the pacific peoples, and the whale although large and supposedly superior because of size and brains just cant get away from the trawlers must admit, the japanese do catch a few dolphins, but it is the smaller mammals that matter in the sea!
However the whale also gives sustinence for certain people and parts of said mammal is used for the perfume industry, and what would you know, the beautiful natural scents used, are actually provided at times by the pacific mammals like the dolphin! what a wonderful story do you not think so pacifik?? |
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By: whkb1
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mar_ja@xtra.co.nz: Kia Orana Koe (Greetings) Your dialogue
brings to mind the account of a Tahitian fisherman who was
washed out to sea. On his attempt to swim back to land he
was escorted by 2 dolphins which each allowed him to ride
on their backs until they reached the reef and gap in it.
He survived. (True account).
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By: slrofnz
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| It probably won't get a seat in parliament, anyway...saw interesting page on myspace. www.myspace.com/politicsn z |
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By: sabyrulz
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| Goodness Me! He has the Cheek to contest elections. If the Judicial system was sane, he would have been in Prison. |
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By: sunshine_97@rocketmail.com
9/10/2008
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Phillip taito Fields is a bit of a no go, but the pacific people are entitled to representation as well, just like others who have contributed too this country.
Why would the same person who created the garden of eden thread think that their intelligence is more superior?
Is that the thinking of a level headed person?
Surely there are pacific peoples who are intelligent as well, there are good and bad in all groups of people.
The great what color race is it again? Superiority, very Hitler sounding theory, what would I know when everyone is allowed to share a view, even one eyed ones.
An unhappy, and distressed person who purely thinks that the brain of his description is the only clever one.
He or she might like to engage their brain first? ? |
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By: pasefikaaotearoa
9/10/2008
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| sunshine, you would be right in saying that Taito is a 'no go' - if the misinformation he suffered under media onslaught in this country was 'fair' and 'accurate' etc. But it was all politically engineered by his political oponents and unfortunately for him, he was mercilessly hammered for his cultural and spiritual beliefs etc. BUt like the Maori people, the NZ Pacific Party can be described as the emergence of a legitimate mechanism for Pacific (and other fellow Kiwis) who see things differently and have a faith in their way of doing things; and that they have as much right to be heard as well as become part of the political, educational, social, religious, sporting etc dimensions in Aotearoa NZ. And dont worry, the Pacific era is slowly but surely taking shape as more move into all spheres in this land -quietly. The media will continue to beat up on them, and they will continue to be focused upon, for ALL the wrong reasons (a function or disfunction of a superiority COMPLEX of Papalagi) often like the Maori has for all these years, but their time will come, alongside other fellow Aoteroans. So, please dont dismiss the NZ Pacific Party- it is only just the beginning. I hope you join the movement. |
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By: dachiropractor17
9/10/2008
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ths is a good idea.... hope it goes ahead:):)
graeme capill was the leader of the christian heritage party right?? lol |
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