By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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Hi all,
This is NOT a nasty, racist, fat hating thread. It is a very very serious problem and feedback and opinions are welcomed.
Obese children are a very real problem and something has to change,These kids will more than likely die before their parents.The health issues are appalling ,heart desease,stroke,ashma gall stones,liver damage......just a few problems associated with weight.
Who should take responsibilty? I think ( and this is just my opinion ) , after
educating parents on healthly eating and excercise,that the responsibility should surely falls on them......parents need to set the example... |
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By: ctawharu
4/11/2008
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okay so here we go again.
Real health problems aside, YES parents are responsible for their childrens eating and exercising habits. But considering there are so many depressed parents out there and children dragging themselves up it is quite possibly an epidemic of massive proportions. Change has to happen from the top. Parents must decide to eat & exercise in balance before they can teach their children to. They also have to understand what food is (veg,fruit etc) to their bodies and what the problems are if they don't get the right balance for them right throughout their lives.
But it is hard to make good decisions when there is high alcohol & drug consumption in families. Money gets stretched and bad choices become bad lifestyles. |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| ctawharu......good point. Put alcohol and drugs into the equation and it does change things ! |
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By: adrianar@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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other than the obvious genetics: you see it all the time - little ones in push chairs whatever, and they have a bag of chippies and a juice in a carton. No nutritional value and the dentist is already rubbing his hands with glee.
My goddaughter, from an early age, was often given a packet of jelly crystals by her grandmother. She had her first filling before she was 5. So its not only a weight problem but a dental one too. |
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By: tanepoto
4/11/2008
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| Yes, what some people let their kids eat is All the problem,and no exercise ,when you teach your children how to cook they eat differently,and spoiling the little monkeys with junk is a major mistake.My heart breaks to see some kids getting bigger and bigger,that's not to say a little bit of fat is bad.so remember a closed fist is the size of their wee tummies.... |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| I saw a mother ( at least I think it was ) feeding her 'baby' ,about 8-10 mths old, a mac hamburger.....go figure ! Is it lazyness or stupidity ? |
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By: roch_josh@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| I feel it is totally the parents fault unless the child has something wrong with them it is totally the food that gets given to them, I have seen children approx 1 yr old in prams with there mum pushing them and they have coke in there bottle or they are sucking on a fanta bottle - that is disgusting. It starts from when they are young and yes it is the parents being lazy as a lollie is easier to give than a piece of apple. |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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I agree....but then, maybe some of these parents , dont know the difference.
They have being brought up on the same cr ap ! Sad really.They are condeming their kids to an early grave,or one of health problems that they will carry with them into adulthood.... |
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By: machint@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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It starts at home and sadly, a lot of parents have never been taught to cook there or at school.
If they knew fast food contains too much sodium and fat they would perhaps not buy it or not as much anyway. It should only be an occasional treat. |
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By: joesonenz
4/11/2008
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| Not too many excuses ,its all taught at primary schools,its gross behaviour. |
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By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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Parents are totally responsible for what their children eat..and then there is affordability...how much income is earned..how much rent and mortgage etc..single income and so on..then groceries etc..
Parents! the children dont do the groceries..they might go too the supermarket with you..but it is up too you what they eat! Take outs are a treat and should not be seen as the "norm"..each too their own!
The price of vegetables etc and meat can be competitive so shop around is what would be suggested..so if you have fat children..I mean like obese..is it because they are eating the wrong foods, or yeah! a lot of things are too be considered.. not being judgemental ..its mum and dads responsibility.. or the main caregiver!! |
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By: raynbowwitch
4/11/2008
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yes there are some really bad examples of parenting out there.
But some that has been in mind for a while and wonder what the rest of you think?
Obesity rates have been rising sharply for around 30 years (give or take, a few, okay) and I think it is not just a single factor at the base of it.
35 years ago h o m o genised milk was introduced to the market at the same time HFCS and Palm Oil were also brought.
Now on their own these things mightn't mean much.
But when milk is h o m o genised the fat molucles get broken up and become very small and so instead of clumping together as fat will do in the digestive system the smaller clumps get taken in by the body and stored. Extra fat in the body. Not used? stored as fat tissue.
NOt much in its self but when you combine that effect with Palm Oil, which was once used as an industrial lubricant until a scientists developed a process to de-nature it. Palm Oil is incrediably stable in this form and enables food to remain "fresh" (in look and feel, not food value) for much longer. The trouble with Palm Oil is that the body doesn't deal with it and so packs it away again as fat tissues.
Palm Oil is also incredably eviromentally unfriendly, huge trac of land in areas like Sumarta and other Great Ape habits being cut down to support palm oil plantations. Plus the process of refining palm oil also leave toxic residue. Not a nice product all round.
HFCS or fructose is a product if taken to excess disrupts the way our pancreas deals with insulin production. Too much HFCS and your body's sugar alarms just shut down.
Combine all these factors with poor activity levels, third generation immunisation rates, poverty, and generally poor parenting skills you have an obesity epidemic on your hands.
But you can't just change one of these things, you need to educate parents about proper food, educate not introduce food bans, get more natural foods into the meal chain, get fresh food prices down to a level where a glass of milk is |
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By: raynbowwitch
4/11/2008
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But you can't just change one of these things, you need to educate parents about proper food, educate not introduce food bans, get more natural foods into the meal chain, get fresh food prices down to a level where a glass of milk is not more expensive than a litre of fizzy drink.
Play grounds and sports fields need to be safe places to go, and we should be able to feel confident our kids are safe playing in their yard or neighbour hood.
Anyone with half a brain knows that living on fish and chips or takeaways 5 days aweek isn't right but we need the time and finacial freedom to get healthy food to our families. |
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By: raynbowwitch
4/11/2008
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heck that reads awfully judgemental and lets chain our women to the stove and sink.
I believe there is nothing wrong with the friday night fish n chip feed. sit on floor. tomato sauce. no dishes. Great. treat for family and a night off for mum.
But when that was the norm in the past, how often was saturday morning netball, rugby, or some other sport morning and saturday afternoons, Dad in the garden or doing someother physical work around the house, kids on their bikes or some other high level of activity.
So we have lost the balance.
Takeaways have become mainstream and not the treats they once were. |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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Spot on raybowwitch.....I agree with the part about our food products ( milk ) ,and how they have changed over the years. When we were young we lived on glasses of fresh bottled milk,butter ,cream and fresh White bread and jam....yet we were all skinny.Granted we were out and about more. Riding bikes and swimming.Walking everywhere.
I also wonder if something in our bread could be a problem......can anyone answer this question......? Why does bread stay fresh for soooo long? .We used to have to toast it by the 2nd day.....It was so stale..hahaha...also its full of Soy products....the food chain has really got complicated and scary as time has gone by. BUT there is no exuse ,there is still plenty of fresh veg.fruit and lean meat to choose from.Educating the kids maybe a better option..... |
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By: machint@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| How about removing gst from food ? |
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By: raynbowwitch
4/11/2008
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check out the bread labels and the additives.
The bread could contain emilisfiers, or conditioners.
Some brands of breads contain palm oil which will hold and extend shelf life. Won't do your insides much good but your baked goods will stay fresher longer.
My solution to the bread problem is I have got a bread maker and mke my own bread every second day. The household is smaller now but when we had a full house I used to bake bread first by hand then in the bread maker each day.
I am heading back to basics and fresh.
But also enjoying the added ethnic style foods that weren't so freely available a few years ago.
Note from the past, I can remember when the only place in town to buy olive oil was the chemist. (I feel old) :) |
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By: adrianar@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| do you think obesity started around the time that KFC/MacD & Pizza hut came to town? TV, video games then XBox all stopping the kids from playing outside etc |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
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Thanks for the tips.....raybowwitch....I m also heading that way.Trying to stay off the processed cra p.... The additives in foods are really nasty.
And yeah I agree ....about doing away with GST ...from natural unprocessed foods....They do it in many countries,including Australia and South Africa. It makes life easier for the lower income. Our government says its too hard????
Why....? Crickey ! if SA can do it ,why cant we? Basic foods....simple. |
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By: adrianar@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| raynbow - do you know if palm oil is always identified as such or perhaps by a food additive number |
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By: greenstonegroup
4/11/2008
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Parents are totally to blame-- hence the phase fat people shouldn't have kids.
Child obesity shocks me, but when I see the parents of obese kids I understand. |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
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| Hi adrianar.....I think KFC,Mac's and pizza hut most certainly had a big part to play....but ulimately all things in moderation....I had 3 kids.We had takeaways ...only , for special occasions....I have worked most of my life,and always cooked a home meal. I am a chocoholic ,but know that if I eat too much ....I will get fat.Sad but true....hahaha...But I agree there are many factors .Education about food is a biggy for our future kids. |
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By: diligenz@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| This is an incredibly complicated problem that many on this thread have discussed: dysfunctional families, the fact that "cheap as chips" is not a saying but a fact, computer games, fear of playing outside unsupervised - yet ANOTHER bloody murder - there seems to one every day now, both parents having to work because the mortgage now takes over 70% of the joint incomes,closure of rural schools so kids now have to go by bus to the city school, a whole heap of nanny-state regulations so that parents don't want a bar of kid's activities in case they fall foul of the inspectors. The problem is how to strike a balance. And you can't just say sport, because jocks can be bloody cruel little bas..rds at school and humiliation at school sport puts kids off for life. Trouble is with bans is that they tried it in the UK. School dinners designed by Kedgley-types trying to serve broccolli and mung bean sandwiches (joke?). Trouble is, kids were going to the school gates and buying hamburgers, chips and pies off the local teenage Al Capones. In fact, before we go to far with bans, it is worth seeing the effect of banning something most people want in 30's USA. Apparently there has been a huge rise in cigarette smuggling in the UK because they tried to tax them out of existence. Just another gang opportunity here. |
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By: shmeads@xtra.co.nz
4/11/2008
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| I don't agree with banning at all....nor should the 'government' tell us, how,when and where to feed our kids.....I do think cooking lessons,food and healthy lifestyles should be school subjects all the way through school. Also community education for parents....Some people cannot even cook.Many have know idea what some vegetables are called or how to prepare them.... |
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By: blossom20002008
4/11/2008
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| A good number of cases would be bad food choices but as I always like to throw a spanner in the works here it is. Have a friend with two adopted kids. About six months difference in age - one is a very big kid tall as well but would be considered quite overweight. The other is a skinny little kid of average height. Now same food in that house for both kids and they aren't allowed to just help themselves to whatever whenever they want. Mother is really careful about what she buys and grows a lot of their own veges. Fresh fruit is their snacks and so on. They both paly sport and have limited time in front of TV soooo who ya gonna blame....... |
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