By: arex101@ymail.com
21/11/2008
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Auckland police are fighting a decision to keep a drunk driver out of jail because her agoraphobia would cause her "difficulties" inside a cell.
Lesley Caudwell, 42, was sentenced to 12 months home detention after crashing into the car of a 36-year-old woman, killing her instantly, while driving drunk in November last year.
At her sentencing Judge Andree Wiltens said Caudwell's anxiety disorder meant a jail term would be particularly difficult for her and a disproportionate sentence to the offending, the New Zealand Herald reported.
In the High Court yesterday crown lawyer Simon Moore, SC, said there was no evidence Caudwell would suffer disproportionately.
He said the offence deserved a jail term and home detention would not serve as a deterrent to others.
Mr Moore said Caudwell had also been given a 50 percent reduction in sentence because of her early guilty plea and remorse.
The court reserved its decision.
WTF She gets to live at home living the sweet life on home detention while a family morns the loss of one of their own
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By: varilogan
21/11/2008
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| UNFAIR. Lock her in a broom cupboard! |
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By: cripplemronion@rocketmail.com
21/11/2008
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| Unfair she should do time inside, Home D is a soft option get to watch watch you want on tv, eat what you want, have visitors spend all day on the net etc etc. Her condition didn't keep her house bound enough to go out and drive drunk shes still going to be able to drink at home and the family who lost their loved one are suffering more than they should have to too. Why should anyone care if she has to suffer more in jail? I know lets not send gang members to jail so they can hang out with their mates and get fed well, they don't suffer anywhere near as much as someone that's got a life and has something to lose. |
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By: varilogan
21/11/2008
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| She should be locked up, she knew what she was doing and ended up killing an innocent person. Let her suffer, because that family sure is |
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By: arex101@ymail.com
21/11/2008
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| I dont understand why they are so worried about how shes going to cope in jail SHE KILLED SOMEONE DRIVING DRUNK!!! This has got to be the most appalling thing i have laid my eyes on! |
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By: alexhmac
21/11/2008
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| How the hell can the "judge" say that jail time is "disporpotionate" to the offence! She bloody well killed somebody! |
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By: m5m1ley
21/11/2008
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| As much as this sucks, that's because vehicular manslaughter under the law is not the same as manslaughter, so the sentence is not anywhere near the same...actually the punishment could be as little as a fine! Seriously outdated law.... |
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By: inbound39
22/11/2008
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I cannot see how it can be considered manslaughter. In other words they consider it to be an accidental death. It was not. It was a deliberate action on this womans part to get drunk and to climb into a vehicle and drive. She would have known full well she was incapable of driving in that condition. To me it is a blatant case of murder and should be treated as such. It is high time that the judicial system looked at driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs and causing death or injury as a deliberate act. No-one forced these people to get shyte faced. No-one forced them to drive while in an incapable state. These are the people who want the right to socially use drugs and alcohol. These are the people that claim they can be responsible. How long before we as a people realise that is simply bullshyte. How much more evidence do we need that human beings cannot be trusted to use alcohol and drugs responsibly? When will society treat these people that drive inebriated as the murderers that they are? |
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By: gaba.oudemans@xtra.co.nz
22/11/2008
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If she's going to have such "hard time" being locked in a cell the YTF is she driving a bloody car????, it's about the same size. Lock the stupid b!tch in solitary!!!! Do the crime do the time.
Reminds me of a case in ChCh last week where some scumbag befriended an Aussie tourist who got seperated from her friends. Offered to walk her back to where she was staying, tried making an advance on her, she rejected him, so he dragged her down an alley, punched the shyte out of her, kicked her while she was on the ground then tried to rape her. His semen was found on her clothes. The FEMALE judge said that if she could she would rather release him into the care of his parents because they were a good parents. She said prison wasn't the best place for him, she practically infered that it was the tourists' fault. This little shyte-bag has numerous convictions for assault etc., so much for "GOOD PARENTS".
Of course, HE'S a victim of OUR society. |
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By: cloveday@xtra.co.nz
22/11/2008
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| Message to John Key - Update the law & sack the judge. |
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By: bellebyrds
22/11/2008
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Bring in the stocks I say and the whips.Better still madam la guiollitine then you can all line up and watch.Heck even toss the head around a bit afterwards.God imagine the fights over it with you lot.Football would have nothing on it.
Mans slaughter is the charge not murder.Now if alcohol was removed from the equation would you all still be baying for blood???(probably) and as for prisons have any of you ever been inside one? Hey maybe you have? They do say prisoners come out worse than they went in dont they.
Update the law and sack the judge???Really all of us should be grateful that cant happen.The law well thats updated ad nauseum. |
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By: lynne.hawkins@xtra.co.nz
22/11/2008
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Sounds like bellebyrd doth protest too much. Perhaps another habitual drunk driver defending this one.
I can't see what the fuss is all about. Agoraphobia is a fear of open spaces, she wasn't afraid of open spaces when she went out driving and drinking and a gaol cell is hardly an open space so it would be doing her a favour by locking her up in gaol. |
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By: gaba.oudemans@xtra.co.nz
22/11/2008
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Maybe this stupid b1tch is related to Wacko Jacko, seems every time he gets into strife and has to front up to his accusers he SUDDENLY has SOME affliction.
Driving under the influence causing death is a crime punishable by a term in prison.
IT'S CALLED MANSLAUGHTER !!!!!!!
We've had to bend over to accommodate the whims of do-gooder, bleeding hearts like belle for 9 years now, it's time to get tough on the crims and start PUNISHING THEM FOR THEIR CRIMES!!!
I hope you NEVER have to suffer the loss of a loved one at the hands of a drunk driver or any other criminal for that matter belle, but then again, you're most probably one of these people that would say it's better to forgive. Bet you'd be the first one "baying for blood" if a dog bit your kid though!!!! |
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By: diligenz@xtra.co.nz
22/11/2008
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| As was correctly pointed out, agarophobia is a fear of open or public spaces. Claustrophobia is a fear of closed spaces. Presumably she was not to afraid of open or public places to go to the bottle shop. Re the judges, a quickly buried story was that of Annette King, the new deputy of the Labour Party, who has apparently had a little project going on to ensure judges enact "consistent" sentencing. This was something the Nats were going to can, which is how I found out about it. In a nutshell, she sent out her gang to heavy strict judges and ensure they followed sentencing (i.e politically-sanctioned, rather than judicial) "guidelines". I leave this for you to judge the outcome! |
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By: talkinged@xtra.co.nz
22/11/2008
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| If she's afraid of open spaces throw her in jail and put a paperbag over her head, problem fixed. |
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By: bellebyrds
22/11/2008
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Gaba-my synpathies if you have lost someome due to a drunken driver but I will not recant on my views re-prisons.
In my opinion NZ needs to revamp its mental health system.Provide more effective addiction services and last but very def. not least it needs to go back to institutions for the criminally insane.Prison should be for those who can be rahabilitated not thos who need to be removed from society for good.
Given that I have these concerns I can only look at drink driving deaths as less on the scale compared with serial killings Nia Glasse s etc etc etc.
Home detention for any criminal is insane and only a response to the shortage of proper prison centres-in short a cop out.Im absolutely incensed by NZs cop out re crime and see no point what so ever in behaving like a beast in order to deal with a beast. |
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By: raynbowwitch
22/11/2008
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Actually she would be a good candidate for the first inmate of one of those tent village prisons.
You know the one run in Arizona.
Open sided tents, mesh fencing, Chain gangs.
She shouldn't have an issue with a open sided tent jail. |
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By: titchwood
22/11/2008
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| Somebody should lock up these namby pamby judges. Maybe the victim's family should have the principle say in sentencing. That would be real justice. |
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By: bellebyrds
22/11/2008
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lol Rainbow.Not your usual style.
Yes no alchohol-no drugs-cold turkey-all good. |
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By: raynbowwitch
22/11/2008
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bellebyrds
and my usual style is......?
lol
Love to keep peeps on their toesies |
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By: raynbowwitch
22/11/2008
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yep 90 days in a tent prison in either Waiuru or Mackenzie basin.
No TV, newspapers, books, basic but nutrious food, basic med care, temp suitable clothing. Zero personal belongings.
In a word BASIC. |
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By: bellebyrds
22/11/2008
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| An open sided tent -That was good. lol |
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By: raynbowwitch
22/11/2008
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you seen those tent prisons that sheriff runs in Arizona?
There was a tv show following the first female chain gang, and the chain gang members came out of the tent city prisons.
None of them wanted to reoffend if that is where they were going back too.
Google tent city prison for a very good read |
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By: ykato4ever
22/11/2008
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| What next...'I don't want to go to jail because I don't like the colour of the paint on the walls'. Throw this killer inside where she belongs. If we are serious about reducing crime in this country harsher sentences must be handed out. If people know the consequences of their offending will be treated more severely then they will think twice before offending. Result, reduction in crime, prison numbers will drop and less burden on tax payers to keep these low-lifes housed. |
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By: raynbowwitch
22/11/2008
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ykato4-ever
take a google look at the idea I posted above
The costs of running a tent prison city along the lines of the one in Arizona are real low. |
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