By: soccerama@xtra.co.nz
20/02/2009
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| This post is For those with an open and enquiring mind. I thought i would share some basic information on the Baha'i faith and prehaps bring a little hope and positivity to the message boards. I do not profess to be an expert in the Baha'i faith by any stretch of the imagination but will do my best to pass on the basics and maybe stir some interest out there. I believe that although things are pretty dire in the world today the Baha'i faith is a shining light, a message of hope for the humanrace. Things began in Iran in 1844 when the Bab [the gate]ushered in the universal age of truth and announced the coming of the redeemer the bearer of Gods message for modern man. The Bab was martyred in 1850 and the one he opened the way for was Baha'u'llah [the glory of God]. Baha'u'llah died as relatively recently as 1892 and from humble beginnings the Baha'i faith is now the second most widespread religion in the world behind Christianity. Baha'is believe in One planet One People and an end to abject poverty and emmense wealth and that Baha'u'llah is the return of Jesus and as the lords prayer says Gods will will be done on earth as in heaven,this is what the faith is planting the seeds of. With a spiritual input into human politics,environmental policy,business practises etc etc and the removal of the negative human traits such as ego,selfish self interest,profit at all costs,personal agendas etc etc this is possible. That will do to start with . |
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By: bruceduke800
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| I meet a Bahai once and he was a good guy. The Bab rocks! |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| the objectives of Bahai are the same as Marxism....... |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Yeaa Soccer Man just another Eastern Religion a crop of cr#p
Comparative Religion, Baha'i Fallacies and Contradictions
One fact that Baha'is like to gloss over is that there are major differences between the various religions of the world, including outright contradictions and incompatibilities. Baha'is argue that God has revealed one unchanging spiritual message to different peoples and cultures at different times, but the social laws change from age to age according to the needs of the time, which causes religions to appear different. But open-minded and scholarly research into comparative religion does not support such a theory. The religions of the world are truly different, and each one would be insulted by any suggestion that what makes them unique is only some temporary "social laws" rather than a distinct assertion of eternal metaphysical truth and moral and philosophical guidance. The Baha'i theory falls apart when one is willing to investigate religions on their own terms, outside of the Baha'i theoretical framework that attempts to force all religions into a Baha'i box. If, as the evidence suggests, the major religions really have always taught different things which make them incompatible belief systems, then the Baha'i Faith cannot be the absolute truth revealed by God, because the oneness of all religions is a central Baha'i teaching.
I especially urge everyone to study the life of Muhammad and the early history of his religion -- you may be shocked by what you discover. They don't tell you many of the gory details in politically correct Islam 101 courses. Muhammad's rabid sex life and disrespect for women, his thirst for conquest and the spoils of war, and some of the backward moral teachings in the Qur'an (Koran) all serve to undermine the foundations of Baha'ism and its theology of "Manifestations of God" and "progressive revelation" -- and when viewed alongside the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, serve as a powerful argument for the ultima ... |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
20/02/2009
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Part 2 Jamieson wont like this because his beloved Muslims dont come out to good as well.
One need only look at traditional fundamentalist Islam being practiced in many parts of the world today, much as it was practiced in the time of Muhammad and the early Caliphs and Imams. Floggings, stonings, amputations, polygamy and harsh treatment of women, and bloodthirsty jihad (holy war) are all examples of teachings found in the Qur'an and Hadith, the original Muslim scriptures. Baha'ism emerged out of the Islamic religious tradition -- in many ways as a reaction to its excesses, arguing that Islam was inspired by God but had become corrupted by men. But the reality is, it was corrupt from the beginning, and today's Islamist fanatics are only trying to reinstate the religion of Muhammad who they view as the ideal man who brought the ideal law for society. Can Baha'is really maintain, as their theology requires, that Muhammad's teachings are superior or a more "progressive revelation" than the earlier, more loving and merciful teachings of Jesus Christ? Look at the tremendous pain and suffering inflicted by the sincere followers of Muhammad, and then judge the religion by its fruits. And then reflect upon the words of Jesus, that "a house divided against itself cannot stand." (Mark 3:25). Reform-oriented Muslims want to ignore the harsher verses in the Qur'an and claim that any offending Hadith must have been forged. Baha'is do the same. But this attitude goes against the obvious truth, that many things Muhammad taught and did are morally objectionable. If you are a Baha'i, you are obliged to accept Muhammad because Baha'u'llah accepted him. But if you cannot accept Muhammad, then you cannot accept Baha'u'llah, no matter how good his faith may seem to you.
Another issue that needs to be considered is the contradictions within the Baha'i Faith itself. Baha'is have a very large scriptural corpus which includes many teachings that conflict with one another upon careful anal ... |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
20/02/2009
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| Sorry roba, dont agree. There are fundamental beliefs just about all religions share. Losing ones narcassism, shareing, brotherly love, compassion for the poor, being the good samaritan, etc |
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By: xav10000
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Really....who cares? I view all religion as fairy stories for the weak-minded and the means of coining in money...
Money...Leader...priests. ..people....money....Lead er...etc etc etc
Just a scam. |
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I bet you will be a whimpering weakling on your death bed wondering where you will be going |
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By: xav10000
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| robaman. Krap . Been there several times and no wimperings. From your postings in the Jesus board, I would guess it is simple extinction for you....who would want you? |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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| Xav you havent seen me on the Jesus board!! Interesting that you feel compelled to go there though. I trust you live along time because at present unless you change your ways the after life may not be a nice place for you.See how tough you are then. |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Jamison
Nice can you show how big Forgiveness and Repentance is in The Muslim Faith. |
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By: xav10000
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| Well...it shows how much interest I have in your postings, right, making a mistake like that. |
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By: madaxe01
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| the Bahi faith isnt Muslim ...lol...thats funny seen how the Muslim execute Bahi on site....lol... |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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| True madaxe that is why if you bother to read the posting (presuming you can and comprehend ) It talks about the commonalities between the two Faith Bahia and Muslim let me know if you want me to hi lite it and put it in big text for you |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| duno bout that madaxe, theres some 300,000 Bahais living and practicing their faith in Iran. Also, 300,000 christians, roba. |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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| What do you call practising Jaimeson Christians in Iran arent even allowed tp print a church notice or any notes. Is that nice and open ,tolerant |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Jamison
This may open your eyes a little
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/countryinfode tail.php?countrycode=21 |
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By: therockandrollerpress
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| As we must observe, the Baha'i faith is a result of an ever expanding social enlightenment, in the same way as the religion of Darwinism. Religious beliefs must expand to acommadate modern findings, or they will die out, or become oligarchies of control. This is a basic tenet of human need to discover, in the same way the discoveries of outer space now influence changes in religious belief. What the pride of man continues to reject is how wrong man can be, and so he must lord his beliefs over others at any chance he gets. The Catholic Church taught for years that the Earth was flat, despite clear evidence to the contrary in the form of the moon as a sphere above. The fact that many people did not believe the Earth was flat during those times is lost amidst the misinformation and fear of the age. So also it is today, and there are many in this world who know and follow the truth, without hope of conveying that truth to a generally rather low I.Q. world. Ces las vie, the world is as lost as the poor creatures who become extinct every day |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Great PC dribble I dont believe the bible needs to change at alL.Can you tell how the Muslim Faith is evolving into a more tolerant religion? |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| roba, the Iranian government guarantees the recognised Christian minorities certain rights production and sale of non-halal foods, guaranteed representation in parliament, special family law etc. Obviously theres persecution but its a far cry from your "muslims kill christians on sight" |
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By: bruceduke800
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I take the humanist approach to religion. Any religion that encourages people to behave well towards others is fine by me. The Bahai deserve a pass mark , at least.
Religions that cause strife, on the other hand, are bad news. |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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If I follow what you say then it fair to assume that they cant practice Christianity with any Religious Freedom. So its constrained right ok. Why dont we do the same here in terms of the Muslim Faith? no schools no Mosques and not be allowed to produce in literature. That would be ok by your thinking. Whats good for the goose is good for the Gander. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| Now you resort to illogical statements, how unusual. I didnt say the regime in Iran is ideal and i dont condon persecution for religious belief. Muslims already get persecuted in western society. From what i can gather, christians are allowed to practice their faith in Iran and do so. If it was as bad as you made out, theyd all be dead. |
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