By: finnbrennan
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| Verifiable truth is independent of how one might "feel" about it, which is irrelevant,personal,and basically narcissistic and biased. |
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By: finnbrennan
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| The "Truth will set you free" is a warmly accepted concept by the integrous,but to the non integrous, truth is a danger and an enemy that threatens their whole position. |
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By: machint@xtra.co.nz
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| What's all that in plain English, Finn ? |
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By: bobnet37@xtra.co.nz
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| Truth surely is purely subjective. What may be truth to one could easily be a falsehood to another. In essence there is no truth, there is only the purpose of learning. Falsehood is dictated by the amount of learning and knowledge currently held by an individual. |
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By: machint@xtra.co.nz
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| Thank you, bobnet. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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"What may be truth to one could easily be a falsehood to another."
this applies only when the truth is percieved, surely. If something is demonstratably true, then its a constant and whenever, where ever its demonstrated, the outcome is the same. |
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| But that is what 'truth' is, merely a perception. A human notion that something is completely as it seems, demonstrated by same outcomes and the fact it appears to be constant. My best example is time. Constant, demonstratably true, never possible is a 'same outcome' in the context of ever flowing time, but my point is-it is an entirely individual human experience that one has with time. Our perception of it, our own. What we have experienced and come to learn of it, that is the affirmation and truth what time is, has been and will be for us. |
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By: paerina
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Your not defining truth at all bobnet
because we don't have an actual fact you want to have demonstrated to you.
what you do have is a theoretic thesis on truth..
two distinct definitions..
For instance if the truth to be demonstrated is dogs are a breed apart from cows. Or borax destroys your oesophagus if you concoct a deadly liquid potion made with an entire packet of borax..
Perception would be pretty consistent as to what is true and what is false ...
right?
Remember we are discussing actual... evidential realities to be proved as opposed to theorising on comparative perceptions. |
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By: liddee_lu
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| Everyone's truth is different |
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By: paerina
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| Personal truth of course.. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| then I wouldnt call them truths, lid |
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By: liddee_lu
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I've posted this before but I think it's fairly accurate..
The poet Steve Turner wrote a brilliant parody of this attitude and called it "Creed".
Part of it goes like this:
I believe that each man must find the truth that is right for him.
Reality will adapt accordingly.
The universe will readjust.
History will alter.
I believe that there is no absolute truth excepting the truth that there is no absolute truth. |
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By: paerina
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The context of this thread is
Preconception and the quest for Enlightenment |
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By: liddee_lu
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| You'll never get a consensus Jamison! |
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By: paerina
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the thread title was truth versus falsehood
simplified.. truth and lies
not quite the same as the CONTENTS of this thread.. |
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By: paerina
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consensus.. is another concept again..
agreements of two people... on conceptual truth |
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By: liddee_lu
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| Everything is about interpretation even a thread title! |
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By: paerina
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you can even argue on what truth definition of truth is the true one.....
but why create a definition when it's not necessary... |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| he is writing about an abstract concept. It dosent mean there are no absolute truths. |
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By: paerina
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| yet again another concept... interpretation of a thread |
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By: liddee_lu
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| I agree with that..there are enough definitions to consider already |
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By: paerina
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| exactly jj like trying to deny the existence of a lie... |
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By: liddee_lu
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| Hahaha..we are so human...our very existence is conceptual and we do so love to complicate them... |
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By: atonspark
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Nothing real can be threatened,
Nothing unreal exists.
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By: paerina
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the intellect at work here is that awe inspiring reality of abstract truth...
....but there are absolute truths....
we live , we die
you don't want to be hungry ... you eat |
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