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U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT PRESS RELEASE.
QUESTION: There are U.S. reports from an Israeli newspaper that the Israeli Government and the United States Government have struck a deal which would allow the construction or the completion of 2,500 more settlements in the West Bank, this while Secretary Clinton is calling, in no uncertain terms --
MR. KELLY: Yeah.
QUESTION: -- for a complete freeze. Any comments? Is that true?
MR. KELLY: No, that report, and that Israeli media outlet, is inaccurate. What I can say is that Senator Mitchell and Defense Minister Barak did have good, productive discussions, but our position has not changed. And that’s that – our position that all parties have the responsibility to create the context that will support the renewed negotiations toward a comprehensive peace in the region. And our bottom line is the same, it has not changed; and that’s that all parties in the region have to honor their obligations. And you know what our position is regarding settlements.
QUESTION: So there’s no --
MR. KELLY: This activity has to stop. This is laid out in the Roadmap. So the reports aren’t accurate. |
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By: inbound39
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This from BuggeryBob on Haaretz.......Manipulatio n , intimidation and domination is described as WITCHCRAFT
This describes the interference in a sovereign state`s affairs .
G-D and His WORD promise extreme judgement for all who divide His unconditional , everlasting , covenanted Land Inheritance and Heritage for the Jewish people of the earth .
Manipulation , intimidation and domination is described as WITCHCRAFT
So the above BuggeryBob is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians for sixty years....lmao....you really are a numbnut aren't you! |
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By: xtr387645@xtra.co.nz
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| its muzz again.Mate you have got to be joking.Whatever your views on this thread might be, for you to attack the intellect of the main posters here is preposterous.By comparison your postings resemble the work of an adolescent chimpanzee. |
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By: inbound39
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| Shall I post Goldilocks again Bob or would you prefer Three Billy Goats Gruff....both have as much legal clout as the Torah!....lmao! |
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By: inbound39
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| The most disturbing question requiring an answer from XTR is this. If we are not to feel disgust or revulsion for Israeli's, who according to the last poll fully support their government,and which it elected and its subsequent and previous actions,are we then to feel happy and joyous at the IDF's abilities of the wanton destruction of Gaza, its heinous treatment of Palestinians such as shooting submissive restrained palestinians in the feet at point blank range with rubber bullets? Are we to praise them and support them for shooting Palestinians who walk with white flags of surrender? Are we to praise and support them for beating seventy year old women with pick axe handles? Are we to praise and support them for shooting women and children at point blank range, killing whole families in front of the Palestinian male head of the household? Smashing teenagers hands with rifle butts who throw stones or even hacking their arms off with machetes? Do we run out on the streets shouting glory to God because they blockade Gaza thus starving innocent civilians of water, electricity, food and medical supplies and deny them building materials so they can get shelter? Does XTR expect us to feel nothing regarding the consensus of Israeli's who condone such acts as the above? Tell us XTR! PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF.How are we supposed to feel according to your intellectually superior thinking? |
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By: xtr387645@xtra.co.nz
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| Hey inbound.Please check my email addy.I am not in any way connected with any other xtr prefix.This is the first time that I have ever posted to this thread.If you re read my post you will observe that I am bagging Muzza for his criticism of yourself paerina and jj.Unfortuanetly you appear to have misconstrued things,by no means an uncommon occurence on these boards.It is a fact of life that a large percentage of people do not read messages in full but form an emotional response after the first few words.All the best with your crusade. |
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By: robaaman@xtra.co.nz
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Has been let out again for the day by the boys in white coats!! I hope he packed his incontinence pads to stop him dribbling so much!! |
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By: its_muzz_again
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6:15AM Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
Middle East conflict
Hamas TV in Gaza has broadcast a short animated movie mocking an Israeli soldier captured by the militant Islamic group three years ago.
Israeli media played excerpts of it yesterday.
It depicts 22-year-old Sergeant Gilad Schalit chained to a jail cell wall pleading with a Palestinian boy to be set free.
The boy refuses, saying he has relatives in Israeli prisons.
Gaza militants captured Schalit in June 2006 and he has not been seen since. |
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| xtr387645; ha,ha,ha,ha,ha; I'm the one inbound is going on about. Just ignore him because reading isn't one of his strong points. Neither is anything he posts; he's in la la land and fires rockets at all those that don't adhere to his jew hating agenda. Talk about a lost cause ... |
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By: allamfamily@xtra.co.nz
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Very nice people arent they muzz NOT!!
Scum of the earth |
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4:00AM Friday Jul 03, 2009
Middle East conflict
JERUSALEM - Israeli forces killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians and destroyed thousands of Gaza Strip homes in attacks that amounted to war crimes, says Amnesty International in the first in-depth human rights group report on the recent war in Gaza.
Amnesty called on Israel to publicly pledge not to use artillery, white phosphorus and other imprecise weapons in densely populated areas. And it urged Gaza's militant Hamas rulers to stop rocket fire against Israeli civilians - attacks it also described as war crimes.
Amnesty - which first accused Israel of war crimes shortly after the fighting ended on January 18 - said "disturbing questions" remained about why high-precision weapons like tank shells and air-delivered bombs and missiles "killed so many children and other civilians".
The group also deplored Israel's use of less-precise artillery shells and highly incendiary white phosphorus in densely populated areas. It also accused Israeli forces of using Palestinians as "human shields" and frequently blocking civilians from receiving medical care and humanitarian aid.
More than 1400 Palestinians, including more than 900 civilians, were killed during the three-week offensive, according to Gaza health officials and human rights groups. Israel puts the death toll closer to 1100 and says the vast majority of the dead were militants.
But in the past the Israeli military has blamed Hamas for civilian casualties, accusing the Islamic group of using mosques, schools and residential area |
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By: its_muzz_again
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June 21, 2009
Jimmy Carter is a meddlesome, self-righteous scold who has never met a left-wing dictator he didn't like.
But his worldview increasingly sounds like that of the current White House -- as when President Obama recently declared that Hamas, the terrorist outfit that Carter long has championed, can "play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations."
So perhaps attention should be paid to the former president.
Like when Carter declares, as he did last weekend, that Israeli settlements are "the key obstacles to any peace agreement."
Or that Arab recognition of Israel's right to exist would be an understandably "painful" event.
As if to echo Carter, no sooner did Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu endorse creation of a Palestinian state -- provided that it be disarmed and that Israel's existence as a Jewish state is also recognized -- than did Egyptian strongman Hosni Mubarak declare that the Israeli leader was "ruining the chance for peace."
Indeed, said Mubarak -- supposedly among the most temperate of Arab leaders -- "not Egypt, nor any other Arab country, would support Netanyahu's approach."
All of which only confirms Netanyahu's observation that "even the moderates . . . are not ready to say the simplest things: The state of Israel is the national homeland of the Jewish people."
In other words, that the root of the conflict is not Israeli settlements -- as Obama and Carter maintain -- but the continuing Arab refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist.
As Netanyahu recalled in his landmark speech last Sunday, the Arab world has long refused "any Jewish state whatsoever, with any borders whatsoever."
Moreover, he added, "a great many people are telling us that withdrawal is the key to peace with the Palestinians. But the fact is that all our withdrawals were met by huge waves of suicide bombers."
Which is why Netanyahu quite rightly predicates Israeli acceptance of a Palestinian state on mutual recognition and ... |
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By: inbound39
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| And XTR is too afraid to answer question to difficult for him to answer...lmao! |
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| Ho Ho Ho...Buggery Bob....nice to see you back as Robaman this time...when are the rest of your personalities arriving...your meds could not have kicked in yet...paranoia about witchcaft eh matey! |
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By: inbound39
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| Oh Muzz....Palestinian will have to go a long way to beat all the movies about Israeli attrocities on You Tube and you whinge about one Palestinian animation. And there is a distinct difference between Withdrawal and ending an occupation. Had Israel ended the occup[ation they would not get rockets...simple deduction really and anyone who criticises Israel validly is automatically discredited in their media...I would have thought intelligencia such as yourself would have worked that out. |
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| But in the past the Israeli military has blamed Hamas for civilian casualties, accusing the Islamic group of using mosques, schools and residential area.......their is no proof to that statement and Olmert apologised for attacking such buildings accidentally...lmao! |
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| Shalit is a soldier and defined as an enemy by Hamas....there is no requirement for Hamas to keep him alive...as a uniformed clearly identifiable enemy combatant they had and have every right to shoot him. |
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PA President Mahmoud Abbas refuses to meet Netanyahu, and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad will not meet with Silvan Shalom, while Palestinian officials are not permitted to meet their Israeli counterparts.
"Israel wants to promote economic peace, and I am calling for increased cooperation from the Palestinians," Shalom said during the meeting.
According to a senior political source, all contacts on economic issues with Palestinian officials are carried out through the Quartet's special envoy, Tony Blair. Even though the former British prime minister is pressing the Palestinians to meet with the Israelis, he has been unsuccessful.
"The Palestinians are concerned that if they cooperate on economic peace, Israel will be able to avoid the political process," the source said.
The Palestinian refusal to meet senior Israeli officials resulted in the cancellation of a joint conference scheduled to take place in Tokyo on the Jericho industrial zone.
It was to be attended by senior Japanese, Israeli, Jordanian and Palestinian officials, but the Palestinians announced that at this stage they would not participate, saying this stemmed from the lack of progress on the peace process with Israel. |
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Nearly a third of junior high and high school-aged haredi youths are "hidden dropouts," who are registered in an educational framework but are dysfunctional students, according to a study released Wednesday by the Myers-JDC-Brookdale Institute.
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Haredi children in class (illustrative}
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In response to the findings, the Joint Distribution Committee's Ashelim program for youth at risk this week launched a NIS 5 million project designed to help the haredi community cope with the high level of hidden dropouts, which is double the national average.
"Rabbis and leaders in the haredi community who realize they have a serious problem are beginning to open up to outside intervention," said Dr. Rami Sulimani, director-general of Ashelim-JDC.
"A growing number of haredi teenagers are simply not functioning in educational frameworks and they are making up an increasingly growing fringe group within haredi society," he said. |
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Here we go BuggeryBob...you're in...the Zionists accept gays!
It is here that you and I part ways. As a religious Jew who is also a Zionist I believe Jerusalem is not simply important as the city of God, but as the capital of the State of Israel, a state which, as distinct from you, I value as a part of my religious life. As a committed Zionist, I believe the citizens of our country need unifying symbols around which to construct our shared collective life. Jerusalem, one of the few remaining unifying concepts in our deeply divided Jewish world, may serve as precisely such as symbol.
The meaning of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is that it is a city which belongs to all citizens of the State of Israel. While you and I may observe Shabbat in similar ways, my fellow citizens of Israel observe it very differently. While you want to preserve the city, I want to preserve our people.
As a Jew and as a Zionist, my identity is inextricably connected to all my people, and to alienate them and disconnect from them is for me as much of a sin as the desecration of the Shabbat. As a Zionist, I accept the fundamental commitment to build a home for all Jews here in Israel, and as such recognize my religious responsibility to share it among all Jews.
If Jerusalem is going to belong to us all, and through that unify us all, it must be a place that Shabbat observers, non-observers, or those who observe Shabbat in non-halakhic ways can all feel at home. It must be a place that all Israelis - be they straight or gay - see as theirs. |
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| Damn Muzz...ya got it wrong....Zionists are still operative and pertinent in Israel....imagine that! |
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When even Jimmy Carter says Gush Etzion should remain in Israeli hands, there's no need anymore to discuss whether we're going to hold onto the large settlement blocs, including the "new" neighborhoods of Jerusalem, in any final peace agreement. This is territory we've insisted on in the "land swaps" we've been negotiating with the Palestinians since Camp David. They accept the principle of land swaps across the Green Line, the Israeli peace camp insists on it, the Clinton and Bush administrations supported it and I have absolutely no doubt the Obama administration supports it, too.
So why is Barack Obama and his team telling Israel to stop all settlement construction, even in the settlements everyone understands we're going to keep, and why does the peace camp say Obama is right?
Because the peace camp knows, like Obama knows, like everyone in the world knows, that on the matter of settlements, if you give this country an inch, it will take a mile.
That's what's so ridiculous about the dispute with the US over whether the Bush administration agreed to let the Sharon government build up settlements within certain limits: Even if such an agreement was made, we never held up our end.
How can we tell Obama to honor an unwritten pact that his predecessor made (or didn't make) with us, when we didn't even keep our word to his predecessor? |
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By: w.lanz@xtra.co.nz
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The Israelis are brainwashed even more than the rest of the world to think that the Palestinian people need to be removed. There is so much confusion in this thread. You should check out what Ron Paul has to say regarding Hamas.
Never underestimate Mossad........ |
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ACCORDING TO Peace Now's Settlement Watch, eight new settlements have gone up in the West Bank since May 2003 - they're just not called settlements, they're called "outposts."
As for expropriation of Palestinian-owned land, much of the land taken for those eight new outposts, as well for the expansion of many of the 90-odd previously existing outposts, is owned by Palestinians. The government didn't officially expropriate that land - the folks at the outposts just took it, the government let them and the IDF guarded them.
Besides, we don't need to expropriate Palestinian-owned land to build settlements - there's plenty of Israeli "state land" in the West Bank to build on. This is land that Palestinians claim to own but which hasn't been recognized as such by official Israel. Meanwhile, settlement construction on state land is proceeding as usual, no expropriations necessary.
And as for financial incentives, The Post's Tovah Lazaroff and Rebecca Anna Stoil reported this week that the government, to this day, is offering preferential mortgages to people who move to certain settlements, such as those near Nablus. Those places are way, way beyond the settlement blocs and were built for the expressed purpose of blocking Palestinian statehood.
So who are we kidding? We never kept our side of any May 2003 agreement over settlements with the Bush administration, if there was such a thing. In the six years since, settlement construction has eaten up an additional 2,000 dunams of the West Bank, according to a rough estimate by Hagit Ofran of Peace Now's Settlement Watch. So our telling Obama now that he's breaking America's word by insisting on a real settlement freeze is just plain gall - or, as we call it around here, chutzpa. |
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| Take note Muzz...that when Jimmy Carter says things that support the Israeli viewpoint he is valid. |
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