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# Enhanced international role in monitoring transition, with the active, sustained, and operational support of the Quartet.
# Quartet members promote international recognition of Palestinian state, including possible UN membership.
Phase III: Permanent status agreement and end of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (2004-2005)
Progress into Phase III, based on consensus judgment of Quartet, and taking into account actions of both parties and Quartet monitoring.
Phase III objectives are consolidation of reform and stabilisation of Palestinian institutions, sustained, effective Palestinian security performance, and Israeli-Palestinian negotiations aimed at a permanent status agreement in 2005.
# Second international conference: Convened by Quartet, in consultation with the parties, at beginning of 2004 to endorse agreement reached on an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders and formally to launch a process with the active, sustained, and operational support of the Quartet, leading to a final, permanent status resolution in 2005, including on borders, Jerusalem, refugees, settlements; and, to support progress toward a comprehensive Middle East settlement between Israel and Lebanon and Israel and Syria, to be achieved as soon as possible.
# Continued comprehensive, effective progress on the reform agenda laid out by the Task Force in preparation for final status agreement. |
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# Continued sustained and effective security performance, and sustained, effective security cooperation on the bases laid out in Phase I.
# International efforts to facilitate reform and stabilise Palestinian institutions and the Palestinian economy, in preparation for final status agreement.
# Parties reach final and comprehensive permanent status agreement that ends the Israel-Palestinian conflict in 2005, through a settlement negotiated between the parties based on UNSCR 242, 338, and 1397, that ends the occupation that began in 1967, and includes an agreed, just, fair, and realistic solution to the refugee issue, and a negotiated resolution on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide, and fulfils the vision of two states, Israel and sovereign, independent, democratic and viable Palestine, living side-by-side in peace and security.
# Arab state acceptance of full normal relations with Israel and security for all the states of the region in the context of a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace. |
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By: inbound39
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| If that is too much for you to digest El Alamein then maybe you should cut out of this thread because unless you fully grasp what is going on and understand it then you cannot contribute positively at all....this is what JJ,Paerina and myself support along with the majority in the World. And I have not posted the Arab Peace Plan yet! |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
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| inbound; the one that doesn't have a clue is you. jj had it right a couple of days back with one short paragraph. Obama's brief is probably about one page in length; probably the same with Hamas and the Pal. Authority. But look at you ................ You talk about the Arab peace plan; means you've been on the hookah again right ? |
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By: inbound39
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| No xtr....you are the one on the Hookah...did you not listen to Obamas Cairo Speech...you would have heard him mention the Road Map as being part of the process so it will be on that one page....words to the effect: 1/ Participants Embrace Road Map...2/ Participants embrace Arab Peace Plan. That leaves plenty of space on the page yeah....unless you use big writing like you ,you juvenile ignoramus! |
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By: elalamein@xtra.co.nz
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Yep the three stooges support what they support and to hell with anyone else!
Nothing is too much! .... you have enough lopsided waffle ... screeds of it... actually over three hundred pages; 200 have your name on it at least once.
Course you and the stooges are part of the majority, Muslim/Islam Allah, the fastest growing Islam World religious community, against a tiny little country called Israel. That is indeed horrendously frightening! |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| We support the current international efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We advocate peace and justice for the Palestinian people and we hope the current efforts to achieve this are sucessful. And yes, to hell with anyone who opposes the current efforts to obtain said justice and peace. |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Fantastic News this Iran was supplying weapons to Hizbulla
They explode in the plane and take out 168 of the scum sucking terrorist mongrels including revolutionary guards, There is a great God in Heaven!!
IsraelNN.com) Explosives en route to the Hizbullah terrorist group caused a Russian-made plane to crash in Iran two weeks ago, claiming the lives of 168 people, according to a report in the Italian paper Corriere Della Sera on Saturday.
The report quoted Middle East sources who said the plane, which took off from Tehran and was headed for Armenia, was carrying in its luggage compartment several metal cases with two kilograms of explosives and detonators destined for the Lebanese terrorist group. The shipment was meant to have continued by land from Armenia to Turkey, then to Syria, and finally to Lebanon.
Only 16 minutes after takeoff, the pilot of the Tupolev jet reported an emergency. Shortly afterwards, the plane crashed near the city of Qazvin. Eyewitnesses reported hearing explosions in the plane before it crashed into the ground.
The Italian paper also said that a member of the elite Iranian Revolutionary Guards was on board the plane to monitor the delivery of the goods to Hizbullah and that Iranian security forces arrived at the plane crash site. Iranian authorities have said that they recovered the planeâs three black boxes but have not yet offered an explanation for the fatal crash.
The report also said that the explosives were meant to be concealed in southern Lebanon, but after an explosion in a Hizbullah weapons depot only a few days before the flight, the terrorist group decided they would be safer north of the Litani river. Tensions rose in southern Lebanon between Hizbullah and UNIFIL forces following the July 14th blast which reportedly destroyed a Hizbullah weapons cache, including numerous Katushya rockets. |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Well inst this interesting Arabs only came in the last 150 years
IsraelNN.com) US Pres. Obamaâs demand that Israel not settle Jews in the Biblical areas of Judea and Samaria ignores thoroughly-documented Jewish roots in the Land of Israel, and in Judea/Samaria in particular.
Yoram Ettinger, a former liaison for Congressional affairs in Israel's Washington embassy, lists in the latest of his periodic position papers some of the evidence showing that Judea and Samaria has Jewish, not Arab, roots.
Area Always Known as "Judea and Samaria"
Ettinger negates Obama's claim â enunciated during his June 4, 2009 speech at Cairo University â that "the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in" the Holocaust. For one thing, Ettinger notes, many world-renowned travelers, historians and archeologists of earlier centuries refer to "Judea and Samaria," while the term "West Bank" was coined only 60 years ago. Jordan gave the region this name when it occupied it after Israelâs War of Independence. No nation on earth other than Britain and Pakistan recognized Jordanâs claim to Judea and Samaria.
Among the travelers, historians and archeologists who referred to Judea and Samaria are H. B. Tristram (The Land of Israel, 1865); Mark Twain (Innocents Abroad, 1867); R.A. MacAlister and Masterman ("Palestine Exploration Fund Quarterly"); A.P. Stanley (Sinai and Palestine, 1887); E. Robinson and E. Smith (Biblical Researches in Palestine, 1841); C.W. Van de Velde (Peise durch Syrien und Paletsinea, 1861); and Felix Bovet (Voyage en Taire Sainte, 1864). Even the Encyclopedia Britannica, as well as official British and Ottoman records until 1950, used the term Judea and Samaria, and not the West Bank.
Land Was Named "Palestine" in Order to Erase Jewish Presence
Ettinger goes even further back, and says that the name "Palestine" was given to the Holy Land for the sole purpose of erasing the previous name of the country â Judea â from human memory. The Romans, ... |
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Land Was Named "Palestine" in Order to Erase Jewish Presence
Ettinger goes even further back, and says that the name "Palestine" was given to the Holy Land for the sole purpose of erasing the previous name of the country â Judea â from human memory. The Romans, whose plan this was, similarly sought to extinguish Jewish presence in Jerusalem by renaming it Aelia Capitolina.
Arabs Came in the Last 150 Years
When speaking of âPalestinian national rights,â it must be similarly kept in mind, Ettinger notes, that most Arabs residing today in Israel â anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean - have their origin in a massive 19th-20th century migration from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and other Moslem countries.
Town Names Betray Their True History
Finally, Ettinger says that almost all Arab localities in Judea and Samaria have retained Biblical Jewish names, thus reaffirming their Jewish roots. Examples include the following:
â¢Anata is Biblical (and contemporary) Anatot, the dwelling of the Prophet Jeremiah.
â¢Batir is Biblical (and contemporary) Beitar, the headquarters of Bar Kochba, the leader of the Great Rebellion against the Roman Empire, which was suppressed in 135CE.
â¢Beit-Hur is the biblical (and contemporary) Beit Horon, site of Judah the Maccabee's victory over the Assyrians.
â¢Beitin is biblical (and contemporary) Beit El, a site of the Holy Ark and Prophet Samuel's court.
â¢Bethlehem is mentioned 44 times in the Bible and is the birth place of King David.
â¢Beit Jalla is biblical (and contemporary) Gilo, in southern Jerusalem, where Sennacherib set his camp, while besieging Jerusalem.
â¢El-Jib is biblical (and contemporary) Gibeon, Joshua's battleground known for his command to stop the sun and moon (Joshua 10:12).
â¢Jaba' is the biblical (and contemporary) Geva, site of King Saulâs son Jonathanâs victory over the Philistines.
â¢Jenin is the biblical (and contemporary) Ein Ganim, a Levite town wi ... |
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By: robaman@xtra.co.nz
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Its Fantastic when the real facts come out!!
â¢Jenin is the biblical (and contemporary) Ein Ganim, a Levite town within the tribe of Issachar.
â¢Mukhmas is biblical (and contemporary) Mikhmash, residence of Jonathan the Maccabee and site of King Saul's fortress.
â¢Seilun is biblical (and contemporary) Shilo, a site of Joshua's tabernacle and the Holy Ark and Samuel's youth.
â¢Tequa is biblical (and contemporary) Tekoa, hometown of the Prophet Amos.
Arabs Never Wanted Palestinian State
In another of his posts, Ettinger has negated the US government position that a Palestinian state is the crux of the Arab-Israeli conflict and that its formation would resolve the situation. He cites proofs from recent history showing that Arab antipathy to Israel not only predates Palestinian concerns, but often sidesteps such interests.
Israel's war for its independence in 1948-9, for instance, was conducted by the Arab countries at the expense of Palestinian aspirations. Though Egypt conquered Gaza, and Jordan took Judea and Samaria, and Syria claimed the Golan, in none of these areas was a Palestinian government allowed.
When Egypt conquered the Gaza Strip, it proceeded to prohibit Palestinian national activities and expel Palestinian leadership. Not only did Jordan not grant Palestinian independence to Judea and Samaria, it actually annexed these areas to its own country. When Syria occupied and annexed the Hama area in the Golan Heights, the Arab League outlawed a provisional Palestinian government there.
In short, it can be concluded that Arab "rights" to a state in Judea and Samaria are historically weak and were long ignored by other Arab countries. |
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By: bigpumpkin21
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| If all the palestinians would covert to Judaism the problem would go away overnight... |
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By: laurence_brian
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| or if all jews converted to Islam, and that would be far easier and simplier, as less of therm and they are surrounded. |
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| and if all jews converted to Islam, no further need for the pro zionist robaman, and his c r a p propaganda. It cojuld rid the world of many undesireables, all at once! |
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By: bigpumpkin21
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""or if all jews converted to Islam, and that would be far easier and simplier, as less of therm and they are surrounded.""
And end up with another 20 million potential terrorists, NO thank you.. |
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| We support the current international efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We advocate peace and justice for the Palestinian people and we hope the current efforts to achieve this are sucessful. And yes, to hell with anyone who opposes the current efforts to obtain said justice and peace. |
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| Robaman...when will you and your ignorant and arrogant buddies in Israel realise...Religion has no basis in International Law. The State of Israel was born Internationally in 1948.......it is from that time period the World works from and not religion for very clear and distinct reasons...not everyone believes in Goldilocks and the Three bears. |
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By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
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| roba and his bible posts archaic rubbish again, most archaeological scholars, are now saying that Kings David and Solomon are no more real than King Arthur, citing the lack of archaeological evidence attesting to the existence of the United Kingdom of Israel, and the unreliability of biblical texts. International law and the UN dont care what is biblical roba, what is relevent to the issue is the time frame from 1948 to the present. |
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| ya beat me inbound, lol |
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By: laurence_brian
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bigpumpkin, why do you steriotype?
Not all followers of Islam are terrorists!
And not all terrorists are followers of Islam!
Some are jew, some are christian! |
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By: bigpumpkin21
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| The best way to sort out those little palestinian turds is to give them the dual flush... |
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""Not all followers of Islam are terrorists!""
They are like pit bulls only one bite away from being a vicious killer |
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By: inbound39
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| Terrorism was begun in the post war Middle East by Israeli terrorist groups,Irgun,Sterngang-Le hi and Hagganah.Sharon,Begin,Net anyahu,Barak were members of such groups. These Internationally recognised terrorist groups introduced Bus bombs. Killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent Arab women and children and men. Sharon invaded the Village of Qibya and locked the Arab inhabitants in their houses and then blew them up. |
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It is hard to believe Israel denies they stole Palestine from Palestinians. Ben Gurion said that they did!! Read on...
1) If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the *** s, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?
2) We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.
3) We must expel the Arabs and take their places.
4) We must do everything to insure they never do return. The old will die and the young will forget.
5) We have to set up a dynamic state bent upon expansion.
6) We are not obliged to state the limits of our State. |
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By: inbound39
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| If you are pro Israel the above is still the current doctrine of the present Israeli government. |
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