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By: inbound39
2/07/2009
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel demanded on Thursday that settlement construction in the West Bank stop, saying it endangered efforts to achieve a two-state solution with the Palestinians.

"I think it is now important to get commitments from all sides and that includes the issue of settlement building," Merkel said in a speech to the Bundestag lower house of parliament.

"I am convinced that there must be a stop to this. Otherwise we will not come to the two-state solution that is urgently needed."
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Merkel's remarks are in line with the positions of the European Union and the United States, but were unusually clear-cut for the German leader, who regularly cites her country's special obligation to Israel because of the Holocaust, in which six million Jews were deliberately murdered.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has said U.S.-backed peace talks with Israel cannot resume until all settlement activity has ceased on captured land the Palestinians want for a state.

By: legalise_drugs
2/07/2009
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you like putting people into stereotype category's don't you thats how you people work you like to put yourself on a pedestal to make yourself feel better about your *** life and comment on things you know *** k all about so u have a sense of false importance to your life when your real problems are right in front of you in your own home in your own country but your heads in the middle east still. your a tool to the Palestinians and they know it, where are their Arab brothers now? they're a lazy people who cant fight their own wars all they know is to complain to cheap morons like you with no life who are happy to spread their hate filled propaganda against Israel all for free.

By: inbound39
2/07/2009
11:28 pm

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Thanks for confirming my assertions once more...how long have you been crystal ball gazing for? I don't place myself on a pedestal...just tell things like they are...if you feel inferior then that is your problem...deal with it.

By: inbound39
2/07/2009
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As for problems...I have none currently...I deal with them as they arise...not medicate them like you.

By: inbound39
2/07/2009
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Israel spreads its own hate without help from anyone. No need for me to assist them.Take a look...who is supporting Israels obstruction to peace?

By: paerina
3/07/2009
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we don't hate you ..LD

and the negative hate you are feeding off is obviously in your need to type hate/war/nuke anti-palestinian cwrap on this thread.

Yes we do blame Zionistic propaganda and their active role in the miserable plight of over a million people who's home still resembles a shell shocked war zone in many places..(exactly how you like it going by your posts)


Be our guest.. Wont stop us from posting the latest Israel news reports on their CURRENT position regarding a peaceful outcome in the Gaza.

Hardly a stereotypical thread when Neytanyahu the Israeli leader is doing a shake-up in his own government (READ!!!) and actually making public statements on his supporting a much better deal for the Palestinians.

By: mar_ja@xtra.co.nz
3/07/2009
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Morena Paerina, he awhi ahau kia koe...

hows it, e hine ?? have sent you an email lady , take care and hey keep it real lol lol xxx Pai Marire.

By: paerina
3/07/2009
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Here's a point you need to consider..

You say we complain about how the Palestinians are treated.

That's our prerogative just like it's your prerogative to abuse and type your nuclear fantasies. The Gazaens however are the least public complainers and just get on with survival in the most trying of circumstances.

Unlike Israel who are forever complaining how the West are not doing enough to subdue Iran.

As JJ has already said.. the Israeli's are the biggest crybabies in the ME. Them and their big guns.

By: paerina
3/07/2009
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My posts to the drug dude

BTW... LD.. I've never been a user of any type of chemical or alky juice...ew


heyy Mar.. ***waves I'm good thanx and thanx :)

By: inbound39
3/07/2009
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The IDF has faced a barrage of war crimes allegations and potential charges this week. Former Hague court judge Richard Goldstone started off the week by collecting evidence in Gaza against Israel for the UN Human Rights Council. Next, a Gisha report slammed Israel's policy of not allowing Palestinians to exit the Gaza Strip. Then the Red Cross criticized Israel for the continued blockade of Gaza.

The next day, a Free Gaza ship tried to run the blockade and was apprehended by Israel Navy commandos. The activists onboard the Spirit of Humanity said that Israel was violating international humanitarian law by not allowing them to deliver medicine and toys to Gazans. That same day, Human Rights Watch slammed Israel for the indiscriminate killing of civilians in Gaza through the use of airborne drones.

And finally, on Thursday, Amnesty International released a mammoth 117-page report accusing Israel of war crimes during Operation Cast Lead.

By: legalise_drugs
3/07/2009
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war crimes? how can their be war crimes if war is already a crime? isn't that the point?

By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
3/07/2009
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"Forty-six percent of respondents said Israel should continue construction in the West Bank even if this causes a confrontation with the U.S., and 44 percent said the opposite."

thats close, as it heats up over the settlements, so will the israelis.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097511.html

By: inbound39
3/07/2009
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Israel is currently facing 495 WAR CRIMES over Operation Cast Lead. In effect this means members of Olmerts Government cannot safely travel to Europe for risk of arrest. War is a crime and Israel officially declared War on all Palestinians. It is internationally recognised as the belligerent aggressor due to its continued provocation by its illegal occupation of Palestinian Territory and its building of illegal settlements which fly in the face of the Conventions and Charters Israel signed up to. Until Israel honours its obligations under those Charters and Conventions it will never know peace. Sixty years has not dampened the Palestinians determination to regain their land. Israel can whine as long as it likes about being attacked by rockets etc but until it abides by International Law it will continue to slip further down as an International outcast. The choice is entirely Israels.

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3/07/2009
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American engineers who serve as consultants for the Egyptian military have recently informed Israel that Hamas has succeeded in digging 60-meter deep smuggling tunnels to avoid detection and destruction by the IDF, defense officials said on Thursday.

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TV report about smuggling industry through Rafah tunnels [MEMRI].

The American engineers, deployed as consultants along the Philadelphi Corridor in Egyptian Rafah, have been using technology that can detect seismic movements to uncover tunnels. But it is more difficult to detect them once they have reached the 60-meter depth, the engineers told their Israeli counterparts.

According to IDF assessments, Hamas now has several hundred active tunnels under the Philadelphi Corridor, even though close to 300 were reportedly bombed by the Israel Air Force during Operation Cast Lead in December and January.

Digging to the new depths required special techniques, one official said.

"The Palestinians are experts at digging tunnels," the official said. "They reach 60 meters, pump out the groundwater, and pump in air so they can continue digging."

By: inbound39
3/07/2009
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Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is making a mistake in not explicitly endorsing the road map, with its monitored sequence of phases toward Palestinian statehood, and risks placing Israel in a situation where the Obama administration instead seeks to impose a permanent accord that would be immensely problematic for Israel, Dov Weissglas, former prime minister Ariel Sharon's bureau chief, has warned The Jerusalem Post.
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Amid continued speculation that President Barack Obama is about to unveil a comprehensive Middle East peace plan, Weissglas asked: "If the Americans say there's no road map, and let's say instead they convene a peace conference in Washington in the presence of the Saudis and the Kuwaitis and the Qataris, all singing Israel's praises, to discuss final-status issues, what will Netanyahu say then?"

Had Netanyahu accepted the road map from the moment he formed his coalition, "the international community would have been reassured," Weissglas said. "The Americans would not be prodding us on the issue of the settlement freeze. The Palestinians would have resumed the negotiating process."

Unfortunately, however, Weissglas went on, Netanyahu came into office "with very negative baggage" and "had to be dragged" toward accepting the inevitable two-state vision.

"If Netanyahu has a patent for preventing Palestinian statehood," said Weissglas, "he should put the road map aside." But since the prime minister had now said he had "a vision" for Palestinian statehood, he would best serve Israel's interests by insisting that the performance-based road map path be followed.

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3/07/2009
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Weissglas emphasized that the two caveats raised by Netanyahu in his landmark policy speech at Bar-Ilan University last month - that Palestine be demilitarized, and that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state - are already included in the road map's provisions, along with innumerable essential caveats to Palestinian independence that the prime minister did not mention.
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Asked for examples, Weissglas reeled off a list that included matters relating to control of border crossings, the ongoing presence of Israeli defensive military facilities inside the new state, the application of international legal treaties and the question of whether Palestine could establish internal and external intelligence services.

"Is Netanyahu reducing all of Israel's concerns to just two caveats?" Weissglas asked. "Let's say Abbas, in an imaginary scenario, lifts up the phone to him and says, 'I heard your speech. Great! Let's meet tonight. I'll bring with me recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, and we'll demilitarize.'... Does that mean you're ready to establish the state?"

Tel Aviv-based lawyer Weissglas, who played a central role in the formulation of the road map, stressed that it did not constitute a political program. "It contains no solutions,' he said. "It's a management plan."

And by establishing a carefully monitored sequence of phases, it would ensure that Palestine could only come to be established in a context that would not threaten Israel. Netanyahu should insist on the implementation of its "every clause and condition."

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3/07/2009
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It wasn't easy for Sharon to bring to his cabinet a program "that ends, on page seven, with a Palestinian state," said Weissglas. "But what he understood - and what I'm not sure the current incumbent understands - is that a Palestinian state will rise. It will rise. If there was a stage when Israel could prevent this, and I don't know if there was, it has been missed, and it was missed between 1967 and 1980" - when Israel failed to settle the two million Jews it hoped to settle in Judea and Samaria, he said.

So long as Netanyahu did not explicitly endorse the road map, there was a danger, said Weissglas, that the Americans would be tempted to put it aside and try to leap ahead to the negotiations on a permanent accord, the third phase of the road map process - precisely as former prime minister Ehud Olmert and former president George Bush did with the Annapolis initiative. "Ehud Olmert made a mistake by skipping this sequence," said Weissglas. "To our great good fortune, [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud] Abbas rejected it."

Weissglas said he was worried by the prospect of the Obama administration attempting to impose a similar leap precisely because the road map demands such far-reaching progress from the Palestinians. Regarding their phase one requirements - in fighting terrorism, establishing institutions of government, and so on - Weissglas said, "Seriously, I'm not sure Switzerland meets these conditions."

Despite suggestions that the Obama administration will unveil a grand Middle East peace plan in the coming weeks, Weissglas said he did not think the US would seek to jump to final status this month or next. "But in another year, if things in 'Palestine' are moving in a positive direction, the Americans might say, 'Netanyahu doesn't show any particular affection for the road map, so why should we?'"

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3/07/2009
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The US did not want "a Palestinian state at any price tomorrow, and after that all hell breaking loose. They want the experiment to succeed. They do want coexistence. They do want stability. They want to avoid another intifada and bloodshed," said Weissglas. "But their risk assessment is far lower than ours, and their readiness to take chances is far greater than ours - understandably when you live in Pennsylvania Avenue rather than Jerusalem."

By: jamisonjohn@rocketmail.com
3/07/2009
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tough, like he said, there WILL be a palestinian state.

By: inbound39
3/07/2009
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Yep JJ.....Guaranteed! What deal Israel gets is dependendant on how quickly they embrace the best option currently open....tomorrow they most definitely will be told and nothing can stop the Palestinian State from happening. All the building of new houses in settlements will go to replace the 47,000 homes the Israeli's destroyed in Gaza.

By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
4/07/2009
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At the exact same time the IDF was accused of war crimes, Hamas was also condemned for the way it had, I quote, "endangered its own people". The Hamas lovers must have censored this bit on these postings. I would also assume that this endangerment was in reference to Hamas stinig their weapons platforms outside schools, hospitals and UN depots.
inbound; none, not one word, of what you post can get away from the fact that both sides, I repeat both sides, have committed these crimes during war. You can ramble on, as boring as you are, but the facts are there. Time you agreed that Hamas is at least accountable for something.

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4/07/2009
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Again you have been incapable of reading. I have on several occasion stated I do not condone the attacks on civilians or rocketry. You on the other hand have ignored Hamas's recent alteration to the norm in preventing rocket attacks by Islamic Jihad and the confiscation of their weaponry and you have also ignored Al Aqsa's part in the rocket attacks who are attached to Fatah....Mahmoud Abbas's faction who, apparently is Israel's bright eyed boy. The UN found no evidence to support rockets being fired from schools or hospitals or warehouses. Israel was found guilty of use of human shields.Reading clearly is not your strong point.

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4/07/2009
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Donatella Rovera, who headed Amnesty's field research mission, concluded that "five months on, neither side has shown any inclination to change its practices and abide by international humanitarian law, raising the prospect that civilians will again bear the brunt if fighting resumes."

Amnesty called on Israel to publicly pledge not to use artillery, white phosphorus and other imprecise weapons in densely populated areas. And it urged Gaza's militant Hamas rulers to stop rocket fire against Israeli civilians.

Amnesty - which first accused Israel of war crimes shortly after the fighting ended on Jan. 18 - said disturbing questions remain about why high-precision weapons like tank shells and air-delivered bombs and missiles killed so many children and other civilians.

The group also deplored Israel's alleged use of less-precise artillery shells and highly incendiary white phosphorous in densely populated areas. It also accused the IDF of using Palestinians as human shields and frequently blocking civilians from receiving medical care and humanitarian aid.

"The pattern of Israeli attacks and the high number of civilian casualties showed elements of reckless conduct, disregard for civilian lives and property and a consistent failure to distinguish between military targets and civilians and civilian objects," Amnesty International charged.

Gaza health officials and human rights groups say that some 1,400 Palestinians, including more than 900 civilians, were killed during the three-week offensive. Israel puts the death toll closer to 1,100 and says the vast majority of the dead were militants.

Amnesty says some 300 children and hundreds of other unarmed civilians were among the dead. Thirteen Israelis also were killed, including three civilians who died in rocket attacks.

The Geneva Conventions ban using white phosphorous as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas.

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4/07/2009
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Hamas on Thursday criticized a report issued by global human rights group Amnesty International, which accuses both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes in Gaza. Hamas said in response that the report was "imbalanced and unfair"

In its first in-depth human rights report on the recent Israeli offensive in Gaza, Amnesty International accused both Israel and Hamas of committing war crimes during the fighting earlier this year. The group charged that the Israel Defense Forces killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians and destroyed thousands of Gaza Strip homes in attacks that amounted to war crimes, and denounced Hamas for firing rockets into civilian areas of southern Israel.

In response, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that "instead of wasting time with reports, Israeli murderers should be put on trial," Army Radio reported.
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The Hamas spokesman added that his organization rejects the findings of the 117-page report, saying that it was unfair to place the victim in the position of aggressor. "They didn't check their facts with any Hamas leader," he accused the human rights group.

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4/07/2009
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In the 117-page document Amnesty raises questions about why high-precision weapons like tank shells and air-delivered bombs and missiles killed so many children and other civilians and why Israel failed to distinguish between military targets and civilians and civilian objects,"

According to Amnesty at least 1,400 Palestinians were killed during ‘Cast Lead’, including some 300 children and many hundreds of civilians.

Israel has claimed that Hamas deliberately used civilians as "human shields" during the conflict, using civilian buildings and homes to launch their rockets.

However, Amnesty found only one case in which Palestinian civilians blamed Hamas for using a school to launch its rockets.

Instead it accused the IDF of using Palestinians as human shields, frequently forcing them to remain in or near houses which they took over and used as military positions.

Amnesty accused Hamas of endangering the lives of civilians in Gaza by operating near their homes.

It also accused the Islamist organisation of indiscriminately launching rockets into southern Israel. Although rarely caused casualties, these missiles often sowed fear and panic amongst Israeli citizens.
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