By: insider.kiwi
19/03/2009
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| You aint fooling anyone claiming to be a neutral supporter with a user name like palladin. People like you are never happy and always dedicated to finding the negatives. Well done keep up the hard work. |
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By: krazykiwi_08
19/03/2009
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| Palladin from what ive seen i would say he has the goods, he already surpasses sinclair who cant play test level.Hes definatelly worth keep an eye on.Astle was or best one day bastman bar none if he can even come close to him he will be a good player. |
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By: palladin22
19/03/2009
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A word of caution, preceded by a word of praise for Ryder...yes great ton...the caution for you dickgates...look up the stats early in the career of one Matt Sinclair. I recall a maiden double ton with a couple of 150 thrown in....
You need a cricket knowledge further than the last days play...
For the record I never said Ryder sucked - I said his technique that relies on eye not footwork may well count against him for consistency - and I still state he was given a chance primarily due to the real lack of talent in NZ cricket.
He will produce scores...the jury is out as to whether he is an Astle, or another McMillan/Sinclair. |
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By: insider.kiwi
18/03/2009
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| I wasn't saying Taylor is better than Jessie or vice versa. |
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By: krazykiwi_08
18/03/2009
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| Jesse just gives you abit of confidence when he comes to the crease, the only one apaart from vettori to do so 2day IMO. |
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By: richardcates26
18/03/2009
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| The wickets, by and large have been good, even paced, even bouncing tracks over the last year. 89, 57, 59* and 102 in his last 3 tests and 105, 46 and 63 in his last 3 odis suggest this hand eye player can be consistant. Speculate all you like about what Jesse may or may not achieve but consider the evidence before making such bold statements. |
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By: insider.kiwi
18/03/2009
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Your right, It's no secret Ross Taylor has been the most consistent performing batsmen over a long period. It's a shame Taylor, Flynn and McCullen couldn't build an innings of any sorts today.
Would've given our bowlers something to defend. |
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By: sasnz2@rocketmail.com
18/03/2009
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Yip I agree with you insider, Well done jessie Ryder. Have to take the hat off to the captain as well. I also think that Taylor is a fantastic player, personally i think possibly better than ryder but just cant seem to find his feet in this series.
he was definately the show stopper for the aussie serries. |
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By: insider.kiwi
18/03/2009
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Just like I was trying to explain to you earlier on palladin
Jessie Ryder is all class. shame on you buddy.
A well deserved 100runs for Ryder |
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By: insider.kiwi
18/03/2009
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Once again you barely make sense.
Nobody is interested in what you have to say.
Go away. |
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By: palladin22
18/03/2009
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Insider, your response was, as usual, complete with cricket examples and telling comments to argue against what I said...oh, it wasn't of course...your limited depth of knowledge makes any further debate on this a waste of time.
Perhaps you should just between yourself and Dickgate, you seem to share the same single brain cell anyway. |
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By: insider.kiwi
18/03/2009
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| I take it back, you are a numb nuts. You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Oh and Your use of the English language needs work. It's a shame that's all you could come up with. (Disappointing) |
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By: palladin22
18/03/2009
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Are you serious? Uneven bounce hardly produces hand-eye players. The key reason and I know from experience playing senior cricket here, was our wickets were generally low and slow (hence the large amount of 120km seamers we produced) so hand eye players could prosper.
It is also a major factor behind our inability to find true pace bowlers and any that showed proimise broke down trying to generate any pace on *** tracks - Bond, Stirling, Brendon Bracewell, Butler,,,,,etc etc.
Better wickets have exposed those with limited footwork - and why players like Taylor, Guptill, McIntosh, Bell, and I will include Elliott (who is a very good player) prosper. Some, like Ryder, can produce the odd good innings, but consistency will never be there. |
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By: insider.kiwi
17/03/2009
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Palladin I'd like to hear your thoughts on my last message.
If you know as much as you claim to your reply will be very interesting.
I'll make sure to read over it thoroughly. |
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By: insider.kiwi
17/03/2009
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I'm sure both you and I raise good points mate and your not a numb nuts.
I probably got a bit carried away earlier hahaha. You like to use comparisons to come to your conclusions. I like to use true and accurate stats to come to mine. In the past we produced a lot of hand eye players because our tracks were generally uneven and our batsmen couldn't trust the bounce. But recently our wickets have become very flat. Because of that we are producing batsmen with better techniques.
ie (Jessie Ryder, Martin Guptill) |
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By: palladin22
17/03/2009
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| Insider, the NZ cricket scene is littered with hand-eye players who never made the grade consistently - Sinclair, McMillan, Styris to an extent also...and by definition it means they have limited foot movement - fine on a flat track - bye bye against the moving ball - an exception was Astle and going back a bit, Greatbatch 7 even Hadlee, yet I do not think anyone regards Ryder in the same neighborhood as Astle or Greatbatch. |
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By: insider.kiwi
17/03/2009
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Palladin in my opinion you don't know jack sh1t about Ryder or about cricket. You come out saying oh he's just a hand eye coordination player, like that's meant to make him no good. If anything that shows he's a natural talent. He sees the ball well and plays it accordingly. Rather than making pre predicted shots. (Get over your self newbie)
Oh and the only person that rates your opinion is probably you.
Also we do not have a lack of talent, the only thing we have a lack of is numbers of people playing cricket. We do very well considering. Oh and look up the meaning of (coordination) Numb nuts! |
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By: richardcates26
17/03/2009
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| How is a good player but Bell and Cummings are not as good as they both have telling technical flaws. But whatever bro, i not seen you on here in the past, your entitled to your opinion. I think Jesse Ryder will prove you wrong long term. |
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By: palladin22
17/03/2009
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He plays the same regardless of track conditions - as a cricket 'authority' you should not need that spelt out.
Equally if you cannot see he is a hand/eye player, that too suggests your often professed cricket intelligence is the myth I believe it to be.
I've said many times he is a player getting a chance due to the lack of quality players in NZ cricket and the fact some have fallen from favour - Howe, Bell, Cummings to name but three I believe to be better skilled long term than Ryder. |
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By: kiwibeca
16/03/2009
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| Yes Ryder does show promise. Got to keep him off the Booze though. |
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By: insider.kiwi
16/03/2009
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| Haha peace mate |
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By: dingerway
16/03/2009
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| Not a phobia as much as Simon Doul and richardson jessie love affair ;-) peace insider guy :-) |
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By: insider.kiwi
16/03/2009
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Oh I hope you get over your (Jessie Ryder!) phobia. Haha:):)
you'll be right mate. |
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By: insider.kiwi
16/03/2009
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| He's off to a great start, can't fault him there. True he needs to keep it up for many games to come. |
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By: dingerway
16/03/2009
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| more of it the jessie rant,do not say that insider,i am jessied out guy :-) ryders batting averages for tests are 49.1 and can not be judged as yet because he has had only 6 tests and the yardstick to average a good player is at least 50 tests.He has had 17 one day games at 39.2,19 games 20-20s at 23.00,lets see over 50 games etc.its too soon for all this B.S.adulation by some,however its good so far and I am pleased that perhaps we have a good player in the making,there are far too very few of those in N.Z. |
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