By: erinkozak77
7/04/2008
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| As a kiwi living in Oz I don't have the advantage of seeing any NZ provincial cricket but I do watch the internationals when I can. Surely there are more batsmen in the country that what has been on show in the last couple of seasons. We have always had a so so bowling attack (Bond aside) that can produce excellent displays every now and then but our top six in batting is so weak. Test matches are won by putting big scores on the board and building pressure. I like the look of Taylor,Ryder, and How but the rest of top 6 is very average. Too many times we are 4 or 5 down for nothing. Look at the batting averages (including 1st class) of our top 6 when you put them up against any other international side bar bangladesh and the windies. Surely picking 29 year old batsmen eg Marshall and Redmond who still only average 30 after years of NZ 1st class cricket is not the answer. This has been proven with Cumming, Papps and Bell who just do not look like test cricketers. We need more 4 day cricket, less 20/20 hit and giggle. More A tours and exposure for our young guys overseas. I really hope we compete in the UK but my gut tells me we will get done 3-0 with barely a century among the top 6 for the whole series. I hope I am wrong |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
7/04/2008
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| Hadlee has selected his last; he's gone after 8yrs; and here's hoping for some more stability where players are not treated as pieces on the Hadlee chess board. |
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By: chewchewnz
7/04/2008
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| I take it your selection is for the tests. |
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By: the69luver
6/04/2008
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I think the team selected by NZC is the best they can come up with. Ok Bell is a tad unlucky but he had his chances this season. Sinclair proved again international cricket is probably too much for him now. I bet they would have had Ryder there if not injured. Hopkins is a great pick he's a better batsman than many thinks he can be selected as a batsman if the rest fails. My preferred XI to face the poms in the first test would be.
Redmond, How, Fulton, Taylor, Marshall, Oram, McCullum, Vettori, Mills, Southee, Martin, |
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By: chewchewnz
5/04/2008
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| Well the tour lineup has some interesting additions to it.Hope it all comes togeather well,will be interesting if nothing elce..Ken. |
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By: chewchewnz
4/04/2008
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| Could take Jesse as drinks boy,opps sorry he can't even do that job right yet as he will most likely make a fist of it,Lol.I'm sure with time he will be one of the games greats and gott'a give him another chance once he is back on track.Yep the broom at the top could do with some new bristles as there seams to be to much dust left behind.The next tour will be a make or break for the team.If it turns sour they will have to go back to just playing county cricket and give up trying to impress the world.. |
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By: kiwi_blk
2/04/2008
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| Ditch the coach, ditch the selectors and start from scratch - and put a coach there who can get the best out of the players. We have some good players there, but I get the feeling that there is discontent in the side. John Wright as coach methinks.. |
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By: juzzkirk
28/03/2008
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| a change of coach would be good...remove the rot...and maybe some more games against minnows to blood the newies |
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By: dhume200
28/03/2008
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I agree with you fatman. We are to quick to pull out the knives. I think we should stick with the same side pretty much in the UK. Obviously Oram will replace Elliot and. I think Bell, How, and Taylor should be persisted with. Sinclair is the one player I would replace because he doesn't seem to be in the right place and has had lots of chances. I would be tempted to bring in Daniel Flynn to replace him. Some people will mock this selstion but I would like to see Fulton in to replace Fleming. He didn't perform earlier in the year but he always looks composed and I think it's better to persist with him than Sinclair.
My order would be:
Bell, How, Fulton, Taylor, Oram, McCullum, Flynn, Vettori, Mills, Southee, Martin.
Patel left out because the english wickets likely to favour the quicks.
Like fatman pointed out it's far from doom and gloom with the emergence of poential star players in Southee and Taylor. I think there is good potential for the future in Ryder as well if he gets his act together.
We shouldn't be so quickl to criticise Braces etc. as they are in a trial and error phase. |
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By: johnmtn18
28/03/2008
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In keeping with our fascination with the wham bang of 20/20 we also seem to expect a wham bang start to an international career..you're right, people do seem to expect 'the next martin crowe/Hadlee etc etc ' every time someone makes their debut.
well done Southee for somehow pulling it off...but you do have to feel for How / Elliot etc who are more long term projects. Don't you love how the selectors are hopeless tossers for picking player "A" in the first place ..hopeless tossers for perservering with player 'B' and hopeless tossers for not giving player "C" a fair enough crack . the phrase 'you can't win' springs to mind.
These are the fellows after all who selected Ryder and Southee to some surprise ..but now general acclamation.
And all their selections this summer have been tempered with the simple fact that in a couple of years , a generation of test players has gone. no gradual retirements, no easing in of a new guard...I'm quite intrigued to see who's going to be in this enlarged England Tour party, bound to be some fascinating bolters. |
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By: fatmann63
27/03/2008
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Biggest problem is myopic the press. And by that we have come to expect positive results after every game - negatives make bad reading, and are not wanted. Gone are the days when a young player had 10 - 15 matches (1 - 2 years!) to assert and prove himself.
There's Ross Taylor who's only just completed his 5th Test match (YES, fifth test), who was written off prior to the Poms with threads like "Why is ross taylor still in the team?" This after two Test matches..... There was a point (Bangladesh series), that I though he might not actually make it back into the team... RIDICULOUS! He has the potential to become a NZ great!!!! Nearly disappeared off the Test scene after 2 games!
THANK GOD Southee had a positive start. Maybe we can cut him some slack and at least retain him until after the England tour..... I mean, who'd want to be Elliot after the tea on the first morning of his first test..... already the knives are out! SAD! |
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By: mattyngnz
27/03/2008
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Too much emphasis on using sports psychologists - cricket is a fairly simple game. Play the ball on its merits, bowl the ball in the right areas, do the basics.
The ICL/IPL whatever its called came around at the wrong time and diluted our pool of resources even further - Vincent and Bond and possibly H Marshall would have been useful in our lineup.
We've played too much short form cricket. It seemed as though we would played well for a couple of sessions, and then lose the plot. Habits should be formed when playing the four day domestic matches, but how many players are really standing out in the domestic scene? Where is the encouragement to play long innings, and think about bowling for long spells and outsmarting batsmen, when all the money is in the hit and giggle 20/20 whereby the empahsis is on biffing it over the boundary and bowling twenty types of variations? |
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By: kiwi_blk
27/03/2008
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| The problem as I see it is that NZ Cricket has no idea how to look after the new talent that they find. Look at some of the players who have promised so much, performed for a couple of tests and then failed dismally from then on. Perhaps we need a coach who will continue to nourish the natural flair of the young guys and who will concentrate on what works for them, instead of trying to turn them into the perfect batsmen or bowler. Everyone is different and the coaches need to work on these guy's strengths - that is what gets them into the team in the first place.. |
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By: xtr365705@xtra.co.nz
26/03/2008
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| As I have said many times before NZ Cricket is going absolutely nowhere while Hadlee sits there playing chinese checkers with the players careers and minds. May have been a great player but as a 'manager' of NZ cricket his dynasty has brought about a disaster. Bracewell also needs to go and as many others have said before; appoint John Wright. |
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By: spike0@xtra.co.nz
26/03/2008
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| It is discracefull what has happend and sad for NZ cricket Bracewell and slectors have mucked a hell of alot up bracewell needs to go now. |
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By: juzzkirk
26/03/2008
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| i think rigger said it the best.....you should be picked as the best person for the spot ....you play your game all your career then get to the black caps and you stop playing your natural game,get sport phsycs in you r ears and it fakls apart...just play the game you were selected for. |
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By: spike0@xtra.co.nz
26/03/2008
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| What is going on with NZ cricket just when I think they are looking good again after the one dayers. There just seems to be noone who can stay about in the batting. No matter what you say there have been heaps of PREMATURE retirements. Astle, Cairns, Fleming, Mcmillan, Bond to IPL. I think this is the slectors and coaches fault way to much pressure put on players by dropping them etc. Read Nathan Astles book for instance. I defenatley think it is tume for a new coach (JOHN WRIGHT). There needs to be a new panel of selectors also. Richard Hadlee has been there to long. These early retirements we could have been developing players to take over from the old rolls. I think New Zealand cricket have missed the mark there its a shame after all the good work of Steve Rixon to rebuild the side. They seem to be on a downward slide. |
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