By: avi8or8
9/08/2008
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| NZRL ain't bankrupt - cash poor yes, bankrupt no. Still have assets. Reason NRL help fund NZ league is NZ is a feeder nation into the two major club competions & the international game needs the Kiwis to be strong. Sparc should step up their funding to league but to be fair they need to make sure the money goes where it is supposed to |
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By: willy1styles
30/07/2008
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NZRL - I guess it is better late than never.
Regardless the NZRL are now also majority financed by the ARL so what they are receiving from SPARC is no where near the injections received from the Australia Rugby League.
The ARL is the Puppet Master, the NZRL are the puppets or is it muppets and since they are into the ARL for a couple of million they can't possibly pay back they now run the instructed lines dictated by the Aussies.
I guess the Aussies have their reasons for financing us since the NZRL was bankrupt. The Board is doing what they are suppose to do finally or possibly face having an ARL Manager appointed. |
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By: avi8or8
20/07/2008
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| Seems like the new board is making changes in the right direction - see that SPARC is making positive comments about their attitude |
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By: carpainter@xtra.co.nz
22/02/2008
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| I too have been involved in development at these levels and I know just how frustrating it can be. I feel for you but unfortunately until there is a major change in the administration of our game in board members ,attitude the priorities they have, we are going to stuggle the thing they must remember is that they are selected there by the provinces to run the game that we all own, and do what is best for the districts and development of the game.Until such a time this is realised we will always struggle here in NZ.that goes back to my point that we cant even have a NZ coach in the mix of a Kiwi side, how sad, it certainly gives local provicial coaches out there in amoungst our youth sacraficing there time for the love of our game, great hope that maybe one day they might get a chance through our great pathway of development to be involved in our top national side. oh thats right youre not good enough to help coach some of the players youve help develop unless youve had NRL experience! |
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By: ngatiwilson
22/02/2008
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| I am a schoolboy administrator at provincial level. And you're right about NZRL needing to think long and hard about our domestic game. We can't even get a mini/mod rulebook out of them and now they are considering reforming a National Junior Council (which is a good idea - should never have done away with it back in 1990) but the proposal itself is absolutely laughable at best. They have no right to take credit for the hard work schoolboy boards do in raising another generation of leaguies - they don't provide any resources, funding or tournaments - we do all that ourselves amongst our own networks. Funding is getting harder to get for us thanks to their 1.3 million deficit. Yet we have nothing to do with that and have excellent financial accountablity practices. |
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By: carpainter@xtra.co.nz
22/02/2008
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| I think youre missing the point ausfob2 what Im saying is why havent we got a nz resident coach that coaches and develops our game here at the highest level (weather it be a very poor comp or not even though it has feed the nrl comp with talented players in the past!) because if we dont have any one in the kiwis whose giving back to nz r.l it sucks.Read the previous message sometimes its not all about the current Kiwis its about the future of our game next year the year after that and so on.That seems to be the problem with our administrators its all about the quick fix dont think about the next 10 years how we can get our game here in nz to grow no lets just use what we got now and when that fails well find another quick fix.Think about it the more we can offer back to our local game now the stronger we will be in the future.So lets get some from NZ that coaches in NZ to be aligned to our NZ team!Even if it is as an assistant. |
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By: ausfob2
20/02/2008
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| The reality is that NZ provincial competition (Im assuming youre talking about the Bartacard Comp) is a very poor competition and any coach wanting to use that competition as a spring board into an International Coaching career is got to be kidding themselves. Lets face it all the young talent in NZ is being poached off overseas to either Australia or England where they can earn the big dollars or gain recognition. Whats left playing in the local NZ comp are the has-beens, the wana-be, and the never gone-a- be! If you have real talent in the game then you should already be overseas either earning the money or learning the trade from the best and that simply is not in NZ. Same has to be said of coaching, you cant learn anything as a coach with limited abilities in front of you. To develop youre coaching skills you require players that have the ability to do things for you that players in NZ cant, you need the financial backing that enables you do your job knowing you have all the facilities and equipment at your disposal, this cant not be fond in NZ other than at the Warriors. If Phil or even Kemble are that passionate about becoming a better coach then maybe they need to invest in being exposed to quality coaching by also going off shore for better experience and development, just like our players. NZ does not have the money, facilities, population, or expertise to support the talent (whether that be players or coaches) to be competitive with Australia and to some extent England. We are like the Pacific Islands of Rugby Union we have all the talent but they need to go overseas to better themselves and also make and earning! |
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By: carpainter@xtra.co.nz
20/02/2008
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| Your dead right deydey07 why should he be left out the guy has put put so much into provincial and representitive R.L over the years and has proven he has the goods winning the Bartercard a number of times and coaching the NZ residents and NZ A to great victories over the aussies,he worked his way up to the ultimate in NZ RL but they give him 4 games under Kemble and then get rid of him for what!.If we had someone like Phil involved in that Kiwi side who is a resident here imagine what they could bring back to Provincial level here feeding off the wayne bennetts and kearneys all going ahead but taking our coaches with them! |
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By: deydey07
19/02/2008
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Phil Prescott is the best coach in the country but he is continually on the outter, he was another victim of the Kemble saga I feel. Prescott should be in the mix, it shows in NZ there is a pathway for coaches if you are willing to bend over and take one from the people running the show.
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By: carpainter@xtra.co.nz
19/02/2008
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| Yes you have good points ausfob2 maybe I am too passionate as well by thinking that we can do it all from nz but my point still remains that if there is no representation from a nz coach in our national side weather it be as an assistant or even two how does our game ever develop any furthur ahead. Kearney has been a great player for the kiwis and Im sure he will give us everything as a coach as well but once the kiwis have been and gone where are we left in this country to furthur develop and encourage our players and coaches. He goes back to the Storm and we are left with no national coach again.I would like to see the NZRL at least align a couple of coaches to this team for the sake of our game in this country because I would still like to think there is more than just the Kiwis to think of. There is the future Kiwis and Coaches running around every weekend in our provinces hoping one day they can make it to that level and represent our country so we need that local influence and goal for these coaches to strive for even if it is a chance to be an assistant to start there careers. As far as administrators go thats another debate maybe theres some developing in a circus as we speak! |
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By: ausfob2
18/02/2008
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| In response to carpainter@xtra.co.nz posting. Yes there is plenty that NZ has to offer but not in administration, coaching, league programs, etc, our greatest asset has always been and will continue to be Players and like I said earlier on plenty of potential players in NZ. As for coaching and gaining experience there is unquestionably only one pathway for any Kiwi coaches to expand their credentials and that's to assistant coach in Aussie or the UK, then build on that. You can not as proven by Kemble coach in NZ and believe you have the qualities to coach at International level against the more astute coaches in the World. To Coach directly out of NZ and then be successful as an International coach you have to have something special to offer like Bluey, but even he has admitted to being ill equipped as a coach during his success with the Kiwis and put that success down to passion rather than any intellectual game plan! I think Kearny will do well, he’s got good experience under one of the best modern day coaches in Bellamy and still has a good rapport with current Kiwi players as well has having the add bonus of being guided by Wayne Bennett! You can’t get an easier ride than that into the coaching world! If he does well we may be looking a the next Warriors Coach after Cleary is gone? |
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By: krapster_2000
14/02/2008
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Carpainters got a point! Sure we need an experienced coach like Bennett but thats only the short term fix. What about our NZ based coaches how are they supposed to get experience? I guess thats where Kearney comes in.
still 2much emphasis is on the NRL and no the Kiwis - no wonder there is little respect and passion in the kiwis. The kiwis is a distant 2nd in their priority lists. Sad but thats the way it is huh |
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By: gvtstkwi07
14/02/2008
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| to all you fallas and fallesses,Wayne Bennet was always in the mix whether Kemble or Kearney was going to be coach.He had been approached more than once since the previous world cup,it was just a matter of time when he was going to sign up.Lets not hope Kearney hasnt been chucked in the deep end,you dnt become a sucessful coach overnite!!! |
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By: carpainter@xtra.co.nz
13/02/2008
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| We seem to forget that NZ rugby league is that of the game in NZ. Do we have any thing left here any more or shall we all pack up and go to Aus.NZRL have not put our game in this country first again.What of the coaches out there doing the grassroots developing and coaching age groups through to prems forget it boys unless you have nrl experience as a player or as a coach you have no pathway to get to the top.Whats going to happen to the likes of Phil Prescott whose put years into helping develop our game here he gets 4 games as an assistant to Kemble and then dumped! Thanks 4 the years youve put in Phil but its not about our game in this country anymore its about the Kiwis and the Kiwis only.Maybe if we gave more to the domestic level in this country we would get results later not straight away but it would come with players showing more respect and showing more Pride in the jersey rather than carrying on like spoilt kids and blaming coaches for the lack of guts and pride in the National jersey. |
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By: ausfob2
12/02/2008
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| don’t drop the ball on this one especially when he leaves them to it! |
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By: ausfob2
12/02/2008
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| I believe the appointment of Wayne Bennet as an advisor to the Kiwi Test team is a positive step towards improving Rugby League in NZ, further more the dumping of Graham Lower has also been a positive step towards improving the structure and standards required by NZRL to start being consistently competitive with the Kangaroos! Our (NZ) game is built on power and emotion which yields few and inconsistent results at test level especially against the Aussies. With more Kiwis playing in the NRL and a NZ team competing in their competition (the Warriors) you would expect a markedly improved Test Match results! Yes there has been some notable wins, a couple of test matches during 2003 – 2004 at North Harbour Stadium and that Tri-Nation Series win in 2005 but still not enough wins to consider the Kiwis to be on the same level as the Aussies! More and more young Kiwi lads are migrating over to Australia to take up a scholarship or some form of contract in the hopes of one day carving out a professional league career here in Australia or Great Brittan. I envisage not too far off in the near future where the Polynesian and Maori playing population of the NRL would closely match that of the Black Americans in the NFL. The vast amount of raw young talent in NZ is a gold mine for NRL scouts and clubs and how they mould them into a player worth hundreds of thousands is incredible to say the least. What this indicates to me is that NZRL does not have the comprehension or ability to nurture the same young talent into a cost effective and solid investment that yields a great return on the field even when they get them back for test duties especially after they have been trained and fine tuned by the Aussie system! The cause is easily explained down to faulty management and lack of efficient and effective administrators and coaches, plus the lack of opportunities in NZ. So for once the NZRL have done its self proud and hired a guy that can turn things around, lets hope they don ... |
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