By: jase_kim@xtra.co.nz
20/11/2008
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Ropativ - <Stephen Brett could have done a far better job at 1st5 than Donald...when he wears the black jersey, he has to live up to the standard of the ABs....if it means minimising unnecessary options and mistakes made earlier in the game, then he's not a AB material in my opinion given his inability to deal with the problem> - please think back to the chiefs vs saders super 14 game this year and who performed under the pressure.
<Toeava on the other hand hardly gets the opportunity...one too many one-man-army in the backline, methinks and it killed the backline move for when the whistle blew...> - As has been pointed out they were offside a lot of the time, no point passing to someone in a worse position i would have thought |
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By: krazykiwi_08
20/11/2008
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| I agree totally Larksea. Donald made some nice breaks and i thought had a pretty solid game at 10. Tuitvake well ive never rated him and i thought our forwards were out passioned with a bit of inexperience there aswell, it was a good learning experience IMO. |
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By: jostek1
20/11/2008
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| donald, macintosh,gear etc etc 1 or 2 bad games does not mean theyre not up to it,it means they lack experience at test level,look back at former greats,some of them didnt have the best starts,give the newbys a fair go,thats what these tours are for after all. |
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By: ropativ
19/11/2008
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| Stephen Brett could have done a far better job at 1st5 than Donald...when he wears the black jersey, he has to live up to the standard of the ABs....if it means minimising unnecessary options and mistakes made earlier in the game, then he's not a AB material in my opinion given his inability to deal with the problem...his team unit as is his general play left much to be desired. Toeava on the other hand hardly gets the opportunity...one too many one-man-army in the backline, methinks and it killed the backline move for when the whistle blew... |
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By: larksea
19/11/2008
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well after watching the replay as well I'll call BS to the flack that people are giving donald & MacIntosh.
First thing is first, Munster are the euro champs. The had players out but the theam they had was very experienced and put everything into it.
The croud factor was huge, I think the silence for goal kicking put both carter and Donald off that is something they wont be used too at all.
Donalds service a lot of the time was pretty bad. The ref let the munster players get in behind the AB ruck and cause problems. And only just called them off side for it a couple times towards the end.
Love Donald or hate him he showed it again a few times in that game he has the x-factor. He can create tries and cook up some awesome stuff. That break early in the game was very much like the breaks carter makes and the try he scored was very well done. top marks for messam for clearing that so fast to score.
one thing donald lacks is experience, how hard would it have been to play under those conditions. I think that game was worth so much to these young players they will be so much better prepared next time a game like this comes up.
Great game, better than some of the big test matches that have happened in the last while. I thought the AB's dominated the 2nd half but just lacked some finishing. I was thinking they were missing someone to really link to the outsides I dont thinkg Tuitvake in particular did well there.
it took mills to come on and draw and PASS in the mid field to set up a try. I was thinking wither he or Kahui would be all that was needed. Just someone who can pass.
in the 2nd half it took munster 20 min to get into the AB's half and it did not last long. |
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By: jase_kim@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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Leon - after getting to watch a replay I think that your call is pretty harsh. Donald was getting p1ss poor service from piri who was in turn getting poor ball from the forwards. The Munster team were soo keen some of them thought they were all blacks and tried to join their back line every time the ref had his back turned. His goal kicking was pretty poor though, I put that down to the errie sielence at the stadium
Macintoffee was getting no support from Franks on the tighthead side, he was also up against the irish bench prop.
One thing I did notice was there was fark all talk from piri, it was coming from messam and joe rock. |
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By: di13@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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haha,yea bro,i'll go with that
was gonna type
Alone it Stands 2
'oh fakk not again'...luckily,no need |
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By: putionz
19/11/2008
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Okay nro how's this
ALONE IT STANDS 2
"Henry Must Go"
ha ha ha |
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By: di13@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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haha,yeeaaa,2mean!!
na you can come up with the by-line bro,all good |
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By: putionz
19/11/2008
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sh!t D
mate you come with teh gems ha ha
Alone it stands2 ha ha bro what would the by-line read? |
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By: rugbycolumn
19/11/2008
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I said after the Hong Kong game that Doanald was sh!t but should be peservered with and I still think he deserves a few more chances.
Macintosh has been disappointing and should be dropped for now at least.
Messam was bloody superb, if that's what he can do behind a useless pack, think what damage he could do behind a good one.
I too take nothing away from Munster, who were excellent but we have to remember these 'All Blacks' on the field today were rookies and second raters for the most part, once Afoa and Thorn came on the ABs hardened up considerably. |
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By: leondelowe
19/11/2008
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| Agree, Munster deserve credit in this game, I think they played like true heros, win or lose. Id go as far to say that they played with more passion, intention and impact than their international team the week before. I hope we get to see another one of these games. |
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By: di13@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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above all
we WON!!!,18-16,i'll take it
weakened munster team or not
they had their chances to win,but failed,we won.
btw,i Wouldve hated to have seen
'alone it stands 2' |
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By: mhol@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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| Whilst I mainly agree with what you've said you are in fact takng away from the Munster side due recognition and from any other side that plays with passion and skill/luck on the day.We have been done over in recent internationals with "good" team selections and as Humpback Henry said we can't expect to win every game now on, in this professional era. Heaven help us if America threw in its yankee football players and decided that their 2 gold Olympic Rugby medals were worth going for again. And money may just do that oneday soon.This was a provincial team-Irish winers admittedly with a make do side that should have been dealt with by the second stringers.We should have won 2 WC's but didn't. It was pressure and passion- those indefinable aspects that make all games potential boilovers against the AB's and any other international sides.It is a belief that they and us can win on the day.Evans above and Donald below have had that pressure in NZ ANC comps. The team or captain or coach who can get their side to accept changes to their gameplan or tactics on the day to deal with pressure is the one who will win.Weepu lost the final against Canterbury by slowing the ball from the base of the maul/scrum allowing time for the oppo to regroup ie he ignored the 3 sec rule to get the ball out and literally lost all forward momentum. You wouldn't have made excuses for Munster not being able to lift themselves for this game nor expect them to overplay the loss of several of their key players for the coming international so I don't think with all due respect that there is a lack of talent in NZ although Matthew Mark Luke and John have all buggered off.We just didn't play well. It happens.Injuries put ends to careers. Players seek o/seas contracts, we can't stop them.Players either step up or step out. |
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By: teoneroaatohe
19/11/2008
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| Donald is brilliant at times...problem is we dont see that brilliance often enough. Mcintosh I thought payed too much attention to his opposite...whining too much then moving wide out where he really wasnt needed nor was he agile enough. Trying to often to be like Afoa or Woodco.ck running wide. Good to see the Hurricane lads Filipo, Weepu, Waldron, Jane and Gear get runs, I suspect this will be Janes one and only appearance. All in all a below average performance....bring on the pharkin poms and welsh. |
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By: dirtysouthagain
19/11/2008
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| whatever dude, you wish!!! |
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By: shipper4r
19/11/2008
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The game today (without taking away anything from Munster who held their ground admirably) is evident of the malaise of the game in NZ these days. With all the brouha over player retention and exodus from NZ , this is the type of inconsistency you get in not retaining the players you need in key positions. Some players need a few more years than others to develop into classy players and to become comfortable with playing games at international level. For players like Donald , McIntosh etc, tours with midweek games will certainly help hone skills and match experience. Donald is a classic example of what happens when players step up too soon to the international stage. Donald who took over the mantle as understudy to Capt Underpants, when arguably rugby`s 2nd best flyhalf, Nick Evans decided he had enough of playing in rugby`s superhero shadow. TPTB in NZ rugby could (or IMHO did not make enough of an effort ..)to hold onto him and look how vulnerable the AB`s suddenly look without a classy back-up five eighth. And look what that has done for Nick....notching up "man of the match" performance in only his 2nd outing for Quins past Sunday! Having followed his career, Evans will certainly justify his signing with the London club for a couple years to come :D
This ticket out of jail victory today against a spirited Munster side among other factors emphasized what went wrong in France `07 .......in that the AB`s are barely clinging onto the popular belief they the team to beat, rotation policy suck and the NZ rugby talent pool is draining fast! Red light flashing...... NZRFU WAKE UP! |
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By: putionz
19/11/2008
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If you watched both games the tactics that Munster (got away with) used in this game were the exact same thing that Ireland did not get away with last week.
The ref was pretty passive and at times with things going on in front of him, you had to wonder where his head was at.
Any criticism towards Ice is unnfair IMHO as really he spent a lot of time cleaning up and trying to get some ball to the team whilst on a "front" foot eg. unload.
I will put my lot in with the initiating post. Donald was frankly p1ss poor. He was more of a liabilty than an asset. If had nailed all of hsi shots that would have accounted for some of his greedy play.
So it is that wehn he actually spoke to the backline in those dying minutes (and with more of the 1st string sent in to keep the ship on an even keel Joe ran towards Dougie and Dougie betrayed Munster by lettting Joe in! ha ha ha ha.
Yep Donald could have easiuly taken the sting out of the tail of this team if he racked up those penalty points but tha's what you get with a bit of self belief and Donald having a howler as pivot.
Well done Munster it was a wonderful experience thank you for coming. Looks like there will not be a sequel to your longest running play. LMFAO |
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By: di13@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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stephen jones
gotta luv the utter nonsense that continuously drains from his gob,bit like peter fitzsimons,2 waynekers now!!
make that 3,vincent hogans now writing fish n chip paper columns too! losers!...bla bla bla
hasnt got much to write home about with cipriaunty
so he jumps on the o gara bandwagon,poor man,o gara's a shocker,lamest 1st 5 in world rugby,bar none.
i think the only 1st 5 in the north capable of matching carter would be giteau!!! |
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By: leondelowe
19/11/2008
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| id have to disagree jase kim, Calls to drop Donald are realistic, Stephen Donald's game today was pathetic. There were far more lows than up, far more. My verdict is that Donald is yet to prove himself at international level, I really do hope he improves for the All Blacks sake. |
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By: chamhagr
19/11/2008
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| Hang on a minute. The great and unbiased rugby writer Stephen Moans said that O'Gara is far better than DC, so this guy Warwick must be superman... |
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By: jam2pou
19/11/2008
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| Ronan O'Gara IMO is over-rated. Warwick should be the first choice 5/8. Wait.....can I post this? |
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By: jase_kim@xtra.co.nz
19/11/2008
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Donald did not have his best game today but still has plenty to offer, calls to drop him are pathetic - Weepoo is a good domestic 1st5 but would be found wanting in the international stage.
Messam should have the bench spot this week, he was awsome. |
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By: jam2pou
19/11/2008
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"donald had a up and down game alot better then any of the great players on here could manage i would say?"
ahahaha...like Ive posted on another board, these boards are for opinions. If we were posting on these boards based on our playing ability, then no-one would be posting here genius. |
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By: leondelowe
19/11/2008
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| your probably right that we are no better than he, but Donald would be the third choice 1st five at the Munster club, a province that boasts only 300,000 people, as apposed to NZ 4 million. Paul Warwick, the second choice first five behind Ronan O'Gara was all over Donald today. |
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