By: teko360
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| I am looking forward to Wallabies vs South Africa... should be a good matchup, plenty of eye gouging and scrotum grabbing in the rucks... you lil ripper bring it on gaylord focker! |
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By: horak@xtra.co.nz
29/06/2009
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| o agree. but watching aussies and boks is a level above of what you use to. |
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By: renee8@xtra.co.nz
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| its because its a level below what we are use to watching when the AB's play, notice everyone watched the Lions game as it was quality footy. |
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By: horak@xtra.co.nz
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| zorrothelooser, you will not know because you guys ONLY care about the ab's. if the 6 nations is on NO ONE actualy watches it in NZ because it's not the ab's. Enough said |
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By: horak@xtra.co.nz
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| o well, no need to talk to someone that only see black |
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By: zorrothepuma
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"Wales were the top team years ago. "
WTF? When was that horak? Who did they beat? |
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By: renee8@xtra.co.nz
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Oli what are you talking about: "But with the relatively weak performances in recent seasons, the ABs has lost much of its Manas and respects".
The AB's have been ranked number one in the world for the vast majority of the last 5 years, they have won the 3N's for the last 4 years in a row, they hold the Bledisloe, they have won 2 grand slams since 2005 and there has only ever been one other grand slam in all of rugby history. Not sure what your talking about.
horak, its tough for a saffa to admit but the AB's have been the most dominant team in the world for the last 100 years. But the only other team that could possibly challenge for that title would be the boks.
France, Eng, Wales and Aus have had very short periods in time where they might be the best team in the world, eg 2002 and 2003 for Eng, but they go for decades not been in the top 2 or 3 and in some cases been ranked 5th or 6th, none of those teams can lay claim to have dominated rugby for the last 100 years.
Its hard to judge pre 1992 becuase of the whole set up of SA. The AB's have the higest winning % of any team over the last 100 years. You can't dispute then they have been the dominant team. |
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By: zorrothepuma
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| what a laugh, the real tests are still to come. Wait till then to pass judgment. Italy played a game of damage control. The sight of Mallet jumping for joy at the end of the game was pathetic and said it all. |
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By: putionz@ymail.com
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What a load of sh1te hahahaha. I get it you don't like the idea that the ABs are the team. Win or lose the traditions this national team has in rugby and its impact on the game is not determined by what you witness in your sojourns HORAK.
The ABs ARE rugby my friend. No ifs, and, or buts. What a laugh! |
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By: horak@xtra.co.nz
29/06/2009
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| Also, go talk to actual national rugby players playing for there countries. Who do they not wanna play against? No, it's not the ab's. It's the Springboks. Again, does that make the Bokke the best, No it does not. because world supremacy are shared between 10 other rugby nations. Please don't be an american????? |
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By: horak@xtra.co.nz
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| True about Tokyo. But, i've lived in USA, France, Emirates, UK, NZ and Aussie. in USA there's 2 teams they love and it's the Springboks and the Aussies. The reason for this is the brutall way the aussie and sprinboks play the game. they love the contact and bog hits. France and they LOVE the way the Springboks play and perform. In the Emirates is Aussies they love even in places like Phuket you see tv's playing aussie rugby games. My point i'm trying to make is that all the rugby playing nations is up there. Wales were the top team years ago. they will allways be the Gods of rugby to their own people so with Enland and the boks and NZ. I've been to North africa where the did not know a thing about rugby but the know the springboks because of Mandela. does that make them the best, NO it does not. So, no one can claim supremacy |
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By: rugbycolumn
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What weak performances oli?
Yeah we've lost a few games here and there but we've won the Tri nations 6 times this decade and had many undefeated northern tours.
Calm down a bit mate. |
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By: oli4846
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| In Tokyo (where i worked for 2 years), All blacks are equivalent to the supreme God in the world of rugby, in places like Italy,France and argentina, playing the ABs is as big as the All whites playing Brazil in soccer. to those ppl, the ABs are/were supreme. But with the relatively weak performances in recent seasons, the ABs has lost much of its Manas and respects. |
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By: horak@xtra.co.nz
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| I can't agree wit this at all. 100 year supremacy in your dreams yes. Maybe one of the top 3 or 4 in the world for 100 years yes. BUT not the best rugby playing country in the last 100 years. Rugby was always a sport looked abck on every decade and see who was the top team. ab's maybe top that list 3 or 4 times. I bet wales will agree, so will the springboks, aussie end england and even france. Pick a team of the last 100 years (if you not a kiwi) and it will be a team full of all the rugby playing countries, but if you kiwi, you will pick 13 ab's (and the funny ones will say 15). So, 100 of supremacy is really a big swing and a miss. |
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By: oli4846
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| Professionalism is the worst thing that could happened to NZ rugby, countries with better financial resources like the European nations and Oz are benefiting while the likes of NZ and pacific island teams are slowly falling behind (look at the diff between Samoa of 1995 and 2007),the ABs are holding up okay due to their player depth but we are definitely seeing that player base eroded by European and *** clubs with fat chequebooks. |
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By: andybearcaerphilly
29/06/2009
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Renee, I am not making it up, was the worst lions selection I have know, woodward as you say took all his WC winning team, which most of them were by then, passed it.
The Newspapers and x lions blasted it from the start, wooward took more players and coaches than ever befor the cost of that tour was extraordinary, so no it's not hindsight,
5 or 6 of his England stars were injured going on the tour and never recovered,
Ireland and Wales were resurgent!!!
You really have no grasp of anything out side your own little world.
BTW what did you think of the lions game saturday?? |
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| End of 100 years of supremacy? HARDLY! |
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By: m-family@xtra.co.nz
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| The ab coaches have to get rid of their pets, McCallister, Toeava, Mulliaina, Read, Kaino, Rocokoko. Making Mills captain was the another Reuben Thorne mistake |
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By: eugenevanrheede@btinternet.com
29/06/2009
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Hard to compare this Lions team with 2005 team.McGeechan is clearly more able to gel the team into a formidable force than Henry was.Wonder how that team would have performed with McG at the helm.That being said,the AB's team of 2005 was pretty good,and would still have won 3-0 IMO.
Lions would do well do convince McG to take the next Lions
tour as well. |
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By: renee8@xtra.co.nz
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Andy, in hindsight you might wish to say that it was the biggest catastrophy in their history, and part of that is true as you got smashed, but the truth is that team arrived in NZ been trumpeted as one of the best Lions teams ever.
It was full of the Eng 03 WC winners, Ireland and Wales were resurgent, WC winning coach etc etc, we heard it all. The fact they had internal problems probably comes with the fact they were getting di.cked by 30 points on each occassion and the dirt trackers thought they could do a better job but didn't get the opportunity.
Even if that tour had been a total success off the field with team harmony etc you would never admit to anything other than it been a below standard team, one of the worst in history etc, and then all the whining about BOD etc would come out blah blah blah.
What Woodward was and still is, is a WC winning coach. He built up a team over 6 years and won the cup, look what happened when he left. |
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By: andybearcaerphilly
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****Where were you in 2005 oli? Remember 3 fine games walking all over the 'best' lions team in decades.****
Best Lions team, I hardly think so, was the biggest catastrophy in their history, finaly showed Woodward up for what he was.
Have to think up another DG.
Andy |
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By: rugbycolumn
28/06/2009
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I'm not going to be as gracious as eugene.
brian, you're an idiot.
To say I'm a racist because I don't like DeVilliers, a black coach is utterly moronic.
I don't like Steven Donald- so now I'm anti-white too?
Pyss off back to the swamp you cretin. |
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By: larksea
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it's true italy were light years ahead of last time they played the all blacks
also consider that they played pretty negative rugby, and there game plan was basically to keep the all blacks out of their half as much as they could.
evolved around kicking deep, defending as hard as they could to force the all blacks to kick. then just kicking deep back to the all blacks again.
they were never going to win doing it but it kept the score from blowing out.
And unfortunalely they had the kicking game yo pull it off. |
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By: eugenevanrheede@btinternet.com
28/06/2009
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Thanks Brian,helpful comments(somewhere in there!)I'll agree that thr Boks are playing a more expansive game(except in these past 2 tests)generally,which is infinitely more interesting than the "old" and "conservative" style we usually play.However PDV almost lost us both tests,the 2nd being with the selection of a player who had not played for 9wks(Burger).Logic dictates you pick the player in form(Brussow)and maybe bring on the "established"player later for some game time.
No racism in there,mate(PdV is still stupid for saying Burger did not deserve a card for clear dirty play)My concern is with that sort of attitude from your coach,we'll soon be back in the dark days of Strauli where we finish games with 13 men,and then complain that the ref was "harsh" or "it all part of the game,what's the problem?" |
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By: dammit_ghost
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| Get an asian coach for ABs - they're smart. Or a German - they're efficient -they have efficient sex, have efficient babies, everything about them is efficient, Just what the ABs were missing methinks |
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