By: dammit_ghost
28/06/2009
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| Sure italy played well, very well. Their gameplan was to plug the corners for 80 minutes then tackle, tackle, tackle. They stuck to that plan magnificently. Downside is thats its a defeatist tactic, but hey they were never going to win so fair enough. |
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By: muggie2dammit
28/06/2009
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To brianwcstevens: To accuse people of being racists based only on the fact that they are criticising "a coach of colour" is unhelpful at best, and stupid at worst.
You assume they are racists, you base your decisions of why on your assumption, then base your predictions of what you think they would like to do on that. Your logic sucks.
They have given reasons why they think his decisions are stupid, and their criticisms are valid. These include:
playing people out of position (this can also be leveled at a few other coaches as well, so it's not unique)
choosing players who are significantly weaker than their backups (and choosing them for no known reason)
going to the bench in a way that almost loses them the game
running off at the mouth, then failing to back the words with actions
These are all valid criticisms, and have nothing whatsoever to do with his race. He has made some glaring errors, some poor choices, and some cringe-worthy comments.
Note that similar criticisms have been leveled at Henry, and for similar reasons, and it has nothing to do with colour. |
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By: gvtstkwi08
28/06/2009
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is anyone gonna give the Italians a bigup for playing so well lastnite.They were hard,they tackled well we took them lightly and they made us pay territory wise on the field.We were complacent and tried to run from our own 22m and we had no success so well done Italians and ABs back to the drawing board its as simple as that.
2 weeks is a long time in rugby and hopefully with ritchie and a few other top players coming back we wnt make the same mistakes we did against italy |
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By: larksea
28/06/2009
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our lack of depth below the Likes or McCaw, Carter and Rodney are a result of player drain.
Players who get stuck behind guys who hog the AB jersey are prime targets for the overseas market.
Quick example:
7: Holah, Masoe
10: Evans
8: Mose |
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By: larksea
28/06/2009
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| there is the numbers factor in NZ as well, for only a 4 million population we do very well at most sports. But our actual numbers of people who play rugby in NZ are very high. |
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By: larksea
28/06/2009
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graham
I'll admit this is an educated guess but the money NZ has for rugby devalopment is peanuts compared to many nations.
do you seriously think NZ has more invested in rugby than England? Australia? South Africa? France? Or the Welsh?
I very much doubt it.
The devalopment of the game and players in NZ is driven by grass roots rugby and that is driven by volenteers and passionate people & Parents. Which is really fuled by NZ's history of success and the culture of Rugby in NZ |
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By: oli4846
28/06/2009
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| Our next tiers of players below Carter, McCaw and So'ialo are very green and borderline on being describe as journeymen. one bright spot is Issac Ross, he performed way beyond the duty of a lock and interesting enough, he has a skill that most ABs don't have... give a decent post match interview on live TV. |
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By: dammit_ghost
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graham - thats bs - England spends infinetey more than nz does on player development.
I wouldnt be surprised if most other major rugby playing nations spend more than we do |
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By: mark.gibbson
28/06/2009
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| McCaw has improved his leadership significantly since the last world cup. |
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By: underwaterjack2000
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| Seems we have become more obsessed with stats these days than just playing good ole fashioned rugby. There was a time....pre 91 world cup me thinks when we actually played hard running rugby, physical up front and speed out the backs. Nowadays with the emphasis on coaches, mentors physios, doctors, ball boys, waterboys, mascara applicators we have become a bit soft and dull. You get the feeling the ABs have lost a certain type of leadership, ie Meads, Lochore, Fitzpatrick, Buck, Smokin Joe etc. McCaw is a world class player without doubt but I sometimes wonder if he put a bit more fire into his game, ie revving up opponents, what he'd really be like. We seem to have just fumbled along since the bok pipped us in the 95 WC final even though we have maintained winning games I dont feel there has been much flair to our national game. |
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By: mark.gibbson
28/06/2009
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It's pretty easy to sit there and say that stuff about the ABs being weak when they have at least several world class players out with injuries plus other plays who may not be world class but are still huge losses. So we struggled against France and were messy against Italy. We'll just have to move on. And hope we have some of our bigger names back for the Tri nations.
The Wallabies and Springboks have hardly looked like world beaters themselves so I wouldn't be dramatically concerned but the All Blacks, yes, will need to fix a lot of things up. So far not good enough, we can accept that. |
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By: m.graham38
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| Don't agree there larksea. It's just that NZ give more of a damn about rugby and so spend more funding on rugby. If other countries wanted to spend what NZ was spending on producing good players, then NZ would be stuffed. |
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By: larksea
28/06/2009
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Hardly,
any drop in performance of the all blacks will not last long, after all we have won the under20 world championship last 2 years.
Regardless of how the all blacks are performing right now NZ still produces the best players in the world.
just my opinion. |
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By: brianwcstevens@xtra.co.nz
28/06/2009
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| To rugbycolumn and eugenevande you are both spouting *** e .DeVilliers know what he's doin.Your feckin rationale is based on race and nothing else.Jake White took SA Rugby back to the bad old days in the 4 years.Negative and just depended on brawn and no brains.Rugby i think we are stuck with the idiot.We will be bashed by the Boks and Ausies.So take your blinkers of,leave SA to sort their problems.They appointed a coach of colour and he is doin well.He just beat a top team in a top series.The Lions would have slaughtered us.And to you eugene what has happened to all the afrikaner opinions of their golden boy?SA won.What more do you want.Oh yes that's right another racist afrikaner coach so that he can get rid of Habana and all the players of colour.Habana is simply your best player.End of.Don't worry bout Burger.The coach had his good reasons |
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By: dammit_ghost
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| nah - WC would be nice, but for 3.5 out of every 4 years were almost unbeatable - i wouldnt trade that for a WC |
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By: editit.editit
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| tri-nation cups are nice but i bet plenty of kiwi's would trade them for that extra world cup. |
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By: eugenevanrheede@btinternet.com
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| True,alhough it would be infinitely more "sad" if the ABs don't win the WC next time round,would'nt it?Don't think all those 3n's trophys will make up for that,but hey,i could be wrong |
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By: krazykiwi_08@ymail.com
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| The thing is ugene the AllBlacks HAVE won the TRinations heaps but you guys have only won ONE more WorldCup than us, pretty sad hey? |
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By: editit.editit
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| if other teams keep winning the WC the nzru will keep reappointing henry and co untill they die of old age. reguardless of what the rugby public want. |
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By: gvtstkwi08
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singing the national anthem like chior boys wnt make us play any harder,it never has and never will so m4 i dnt know where you got that info from.The kiwi sychy is to think of the job at hand,concerntrate on what you have to do,sing if you want but dnt be a nancy boy to please people that get their hairs on their spines standing when they sing the anthem,thats what the haka is for.
The AllBlacks arnt known for their anthem they are known for their black jersey and the haka.Its only been the past 10 years that the AllBlacks stand arm in arm cause we were the only team in the world that just stood shoulder to shoulder like soldiers,there is no time for this arm and arm stuff,but now to please the public we do it , since 1998. |
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By: eugenevanrheede@btinternet.com
28/06/2009
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| So what will the AB's do if the Boks(or other nations)keep winning the world cup?Something similar perhaps? |
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By: krazykiwi_08@ymail.com
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| I wouldnt worry too much boys if we keep on winning the trinations the Saffas will throw their toys outa the cot and want to go to a european comp!! |
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By: m4_counties.mnks
28/06/2009
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| you got that right oli4846,and when singing the national anthem, theres no passion in it,since the games gone profesional, ex-southern hemisphere players, can be found globally, wether it be developement tutors,nutritionists, to national coaches, selling our game & secrets,for the euro, franc, pound, or whatever, for decades now, its not surprising, a result,such as betw the abs & italy was low!! |
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By: gvtstkwi08
28/06/2009
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| lol...see you then |
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By: eugenevanrheede@btinternet.com
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| We'll repay the favour when you play Oz. |
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